Player Discussion Artemi Panarin

[NickyFotiu]

women and men need to be held accountable if their story is false, they should deserve the same jail time as the accuser would get if it was true. Why would the Rangers management or whoever pay her if it was false? That is telling although confused on why

Its a crazy world. Sometimes innocent people even confess to crimes they didn't commit. The only thing I feel comfortable saying about this is I hope whatever comes out is the full truth.

 

[Mike in Houston]

The truth will never come out because of the NDAs. And that's the shame. And you're going to have fans and people split on the issue because of the NDAs. I personally think Artemi should no longer be on the Rangers. This is a stain and a black eye on the organization and he's at the center of it. I also think everyone in management directly involved in the attempt to quietly resolve this should be held accountable and relieved of their duties.

I fully understand that folks will settle because it's a cheaper route to take to resolve everything. But in a sexual assault case, the optics of a settlement are really bad.

 

[NYRFAN218]

The truth will never come out because of the NDAs. And that's the shame. And you're going to have fans and people split on the issue because of the NDAs. I personally think Artemi should no longer be on the Rangers. This is a stain and a black eye on the organization and he's at the center of it. I also think everyone in management directly involved in the attempt to quietly resolve this should be held accountable and relieved of their duties.

I fully understand that folks will settle because it's a cheaper route to take to resolve everything. But in a sexual assault case, the optics of a settlement are really bad.

Ultimately I think you're right. What we have in terms of info is probably all we'll get given the NDA's and the fact that the Rangers and the NHL consider the case closed. We'll have no validity of anything from anyone and probably no further details. I can't tell you what the goal of the settlement here was without knowing the situation whether it was to financially keep her quiet due to potential information and details getting out that they don't want or if they thought it'd be prudent to just pay her off even if it wasn't true to avoid hurting his image if it became public. Personally, this absolutely tarnishes my image of Panarin going forward though. If someone had accused me of some sort of assault and it was patently untrue I'd be lawyering up and clearing my name as opposed to paying someone off and giving any sort of validity to it. And the team and player were also quick to fire back against those claims from Russia a few years ago (though these were public.)

So yeah, I think what we have is what it's going to be and people are going to have their own opinions about the player which is fair since at the end of the day no one really knows. I just personally find it interesting and not supportive of his case that both he and the company paid her off in a situation where the company was justified in terminating her employment and being done with it for distributing pills to team members.

 

[will1066]

When he heard about it, Fox just rolled his eyes and looked at the ceiling

 

[tlk]

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[Jaromir Jagr]

But in a sexual assault case, the optics of a settlement are really bad.

This is only true for dumb people who can't think beyond their basic instincts. Settlements happen all the time with non-guilty parties, both in criminal and civil cases. That's because our justice system is wildly expensive. For rich people, it's much easier to pay to make something go away, even if they're innocent, than having to deal with:

A) potential years of litigation which would probably cost more than settlement

B) have the media spinning things because they love sensationalism even if it's allegations with no firm evidence

Frankly, all that we're allowed to know about this situation makes me feel that I have zero clue what happened. I really don't like Panarin as a hockey player and I want him traded, but I have zero judgements about him as a human being based on what I read here. There's things that could change that and we'll see if more ever comes out (or other events validating a pattern of behavior) but as of now making any judgements off of what we have is for small brained people.

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

To my knowledge, Perry never forced himself on another person.

last i checked having one's milf fantasies fulfilled is not a criminal act.

 

[NickyFotiu]

This is only true for dumb people who can't think beyond their basic instincts. Settlements happen all the time with non-guilty parties, both in criminal and civil cases. That's because our justice system is wildly expensive. For rich people, it's much easier to pay to make something go away, even if they're innocent, than having to deal with:

A) potential years of litigation which would probably cost more than settlement

B) have the media spinning things because they love sensationalism even if it's allegations with no firm evidence

Frankly, all that we're allowed to know about this situation makes me feel that I have zero clue what happened. I really don't like Panarin as a hockey player and I want him traded, but I have zero judgements about him as a human being based on what I read here. There's things that could change that and we'll see if more ever comes out (or other events validating a pattern of behavior) but as of now making any judgements off of what we have is for small brained people.

I will not comment about the Bread case since I have no way to know what did or did not happen. I do not want to be unfair to anyone.

Putting the Bread case aside, I will say that wealthy famous people can become targets for civil settlements. Even non famous ones in nice cars are now targets for these idiots that purposefully stop short and go in reverse and then claim they were rear-ended looking for lawsuit settlements. I have seen several videos of people doing this.

 

[will1066]

To my knowledge, Perry never forced himself on another person.

I basically forced myself upon myself to watch this team.

 

[TGWL]

The truth will never come out because of the NDAs. And that's the shame. And you're going to have fans and people split on the issue because of the NDAs. I personally think Artemi should no longer be on the Rangers. This is a stain and a black eye on the organization and he's at the center of it. I also think everyone in management directly involved in the attempt to quietly resolve this should be held accountable and relieved of their duties.

I fully understand that folks will settle because it's a cheaper route to take to resolve everything. But in a sexual assault case, the optics of a settlement are really bad.

It's not nearly as bad as them losing the sexual assault, knowing Panairn did everything or had some involvement in the story, while tossing him on the rink to high kick his leg, celebrating goals for them.

That's a far worse outcome. So they either had 0 proof of anything, the settlement was so little it wasn't worth it, or they had proof they didn't want to have, and found this to be better than losing a law settlement/found guilty.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

I will not comment about the Bread case since I have no way to know what did or did not happen. I do not want to be unfair to anyone.

Putting the Bread case aside, I will say that wealthy famous people can become targets for civil settlements. Even non famous ones in nice cars are now targets for these idiots that purposefully stop short and go in reverse and then claim they were rear-ended looking for lawsuit settlements. I have seen several videos of people doing this.

That's why everyone should have a dash cam in their car - especially if you drive something relatively nice because you become a target. You can get pretty cheap ones easily or upgrade for like 300$ for a nice one.

But yea - this extends far beyond the Bread case. In general this is becoming more and more common (even in non-uber wealthy cases) that people try to take advantage of situations where there's any potential in their favor.

 

[eco's bones]

A couple things are not clear to me.....did the lady report the incident right away or did it only come out when she was being disciplined/fired over the anti-anxiety drug issue? Any credible witnesses who would have seen Panarin take her phone or ask her up to his room? But whoever she is she's not talking. We know who he is and he has a past (not all that credible) allegation and he's not talking either. No police reports.....everything swept under the rug until now. Who benefits? Well Katie Stange has either a story or a pile of dirt. Maybe she or someone else can expand on it and give it real legs. Who really benefits? Maybe Drury I guess if he decides to use it as a wedge to drive Panarin off the team. It would maybe be nice to know who Stange's source is because maybe that's the one who stands to benefit.

 

[ViD]

Possibly completely irrelevant fact, but Panarin has had a crappy old button Nokia phone for years now (weird paranoia?)

Any possibility he asked the lady for her phone to find some info or browse online ?

 

[TGWL]

A couple things are not clear to me.....did the lady report the incident right away or did it only come out when she was being disciplined/fired over the anti-anxiety drug issue? Any credible witnesses who would have seen Panarin take her phone or ask her up to his room? But whoever she is she's not talking. We know who he is and he has a past (not all that credible) allegation and he's not talking either. No police reports.....everything swept under the rug until now. Who benefits? Well Katie Stange has either a story or a pile of dirt. Maybe she or someone else can expand on it and give it real legs. Who really benefits? Maybe Drury I guess if he decides to use it as a wedge to drive Panarin off the team. It would maybe be nice to know who Stange's source is because maybe that's the one who stands to benefit.

This was not reported right away.
As far as credible witness, whether they had or didn't have a credible witness for either side, this non-enforced settlement didn't require one. We don't know anything about the investigation. We don't know anything other than what the settlement was about, and that it ended in a settlement. The settlement included NDA so you're not going to get anything more than a he said/she said from any reporter or source.

 

[TGWL]

Possibly completely irrelevant fact, but Panarin has had a crappy old button Nokia phone for years now (weird paranoia?)

Any possibility he asked the lady for her phone to find some info or browse online ?

And maybe her secure folder pass ID.

If the story is accurate that Panarin took her phone, I find that highly unlikely to be the reason.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

This is only true for dumb people who can't think beyond their basic instincts. Settlements happen all the time with non-guilty parties, both in criminal and civil cases. That's because our justice system is wildly expensive. For rich people, it's much easier to pay to make something go away, even if they're innocent, than having to deal with:

A) potential years of litigation which would probably cost more than settlement

B) have the media spinning things because they love sensationalism even if it's allegations with no firm evidence

Frankly, all that we're allowed to know about this situation makes me feel that I have zero clue what happened. I really don't like Panarin as a hockey player and I want him traded, but I have zero judgements about him as a human being based on what I read here. There's things that could change that and we'll see if more ever comes out (or other events validating a pattern of behavior) but as of now making any judgements off of what we have is for small brained people.

This x 1000%

 

[Priorae]

This is only true for dumb people who can't think beyond their basic instincts. Settlements happen all the time with non-guilty parties, both in criminal and civil cases. That's because our justice system is wildly expensive. For rich people, it's much easier to pay to make something go away, even if they're innocent, than having to deal with:

A) potential years of litigation which would probably cost more than settlement

B) have the media spinning things because they love sensationalism even if it's allegations with no firm evidence

Frankly, all that we're allowed to know about this situation makes me feel that I have zero clue what happened. I really don't like Panarin as a hockey player and I want him traded, but I have zero judgements about him as a human being based on what I read here. There's things that could change that and we'll see if more ever comes out (or other events validating a pattern of behavior) but as of now making any judgements off of what we have is for small brained people.

This was an exceptional post.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Didn’t we fire someone for having dinner with a player and then sent out messages about a ‘culture problem’ with people meeting outside work? I can’t help but wonder about all this, team chemistry, hatred for front office etc.

We fired someone for having dinner but cover up an alleged assault…

Maybe the fear was what was being discussed over dinner

Same person. The dismissal was for the Xanax story, not for the "date nights" with players

 

[will1066]

And maybe her secure folder pass ID.

If the story is accurate that Panarin took her phone, I find that highly unlikely to be the reason.

He's got like 25 other guys on the team, including those who don't get a regular shift, who's got modern phones to borrow

 

[eco's bones]

This was not reported right away.
As far as credible witness, whether they had or didn't have a credible witness for either side, this enforced settlement didn't require one. We don't know anything about the investigation. We don't know anything other than what the settlement was about, and that it ended in a settlement. The settlement included NDA so you're not going to get anything more than a he said/she said from any reporter or source.

I very much suspect you're right.

That said someone who had direct knowledge of the settlement and the NDA decided to talk about it though to a reporter......and it wasn't the alleged victim of the assault apparently and it certainly wasn't Panarin. I don't think there were all that many people in the know but some of them who would for whatever it's worth would be Rangers employees in management or in their legal department or maybe even some/all players.

 

[will1066]

Same person. The dismissal was for the Xanax story, not for the "date nights" with players

Clearly this person was an issue. Never should've been hired. Clearly this person didn't know where the line was, crossing it more than once.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Free my mans

 

[tlk]

Free my mans

dindu nuffin?

 

[RagFinMet]

Apparently many of us have small brains and we r dumb...
First let me defend small brain humans
Its not our fault we were born with small brains.
We didnt ask for a small brain

Second, i could easily call people that dont agree with me dumb and small brained.
But i prefer a more civil discussion on the matter.
To me its clear they didnt want this coming out during their best season in years.
Has nothing to do with money
They can afford whatever the price tag would be.
They didnt want a possible suspension and distraction.
What really happened between Pan and her we will never know.
But what we do know is the organization hid the story on purpose.
So the real argument is, was it right for the Rangers to do what they did.

 

[pld459666]

This organization is at a very important position at the moment.

A significant crossroads if you will.

The next 3-9 months is going to be very very interesting