I doubt Edmonton will take Seabrook. Probably Vancouver, they love discussable trades.
Speculation: Artemi Panarin seeking 6 years/$6M-plus per
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I doubt Edmonton will take Seabrook. Probably Vancouver, they love discussable trades.
thedoughboy
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Hes a lot better than most people on here give him credit for, but his contract will be rough in a little while. Guy had a career year last year dragging around a rookie bottom pairing defensmen who was playing his off side... Hes also looked damn good this year fwiw.
$275,000 more per year. Everyone points this out, but it really isn't like hes getting paid multiple millions dollars less than if he went elsewhere. The hawks can absolutely be outbid this off season by multiple millions of dollars.
disgusting? or did you mean discussable?
TLEH
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Seabrook lost 20 pounds in the offseason and looks like the great #2 he always has. Foot speed is back
If Tarasenko could somehow convince Panarin to come to the Blues, I would be the happiest girl at prom.
thedoughboy
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Apparently Tarasenko wanted panarin
But blues didn't haha
Most teams did probably didn't meet his bonus requirements possibly.
Anyways he is rfa. Either they sign him or trade him for a ransom like sadd
They should get a good amount more than they got for Saad. Panarin was top 10 in scoring last year, and is again this year even though he's getting less ice time with Kane. The value of points from a player is not linear. A 70 point player is worth more than 40% more than a 50 point player.
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From what i read, the Blues did make an offer or show interest but he chose the Hawks.
leafs made an offer.
panarin on matthew's wing would be something.
Nylander + corrado for panarin, schmaltz and pokka?
panarin on matthew's wing would be something.
Nylander + corrado for panarin, schmaltz and pokka?
bleedblue1223
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While Panarin is a fantastic player, he is insanely sheltered and gifted offensive minutes. He has the most offensive zone starts in the league at 82.2% compared to defensive zone starts.
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He is only 5 foot 11 and 170 pounds. Chicago is just able to utilize him correctly because they have a deep team.
bleedblue1223
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Small players can't play defense? I'm not critiquing Chicago for using him like that, I would do the exact same thing. I'd put my offensive players in the most offensive situations as possible. What I'm saying is that with his extreme splits, his possession based stats will be heavily misinterpreted. I'm just providing context.
If the Hawks decided to move Panarin for salary reasons, I'm not sure why they'd feel the need to throw in two top prospects to boot, LOL.
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bleedblue1223
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Anisimov isn't great on the dot, but he's solid enough. Panarin's zone start splits are very extreme and a major reason why his possession stats are as high as they are. Obviously if you spend more time in a zone that you can only receive positive possession stats, then you should have higher possession stats.
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Someone suggested Nylander + crap for Panarin, Schmaltz and Pokka. Hahahaah no.
Nylander + JvR for Panarin, Schmaltz and Pokka is more likely.
At the moment:
Panarin > Nylander
JvR > Schmaltz and Pokka
In future (3-5 years):
Panarin = Nylander
JvR < Schmaltz & Pokka
I know Leafs-fans love Nylander and JvR and I love Panarin, but cmon with your proposals.
Nylander + JvR for Panarin, Schmaltz and Pokka is more likely.
At the moment:
Panarin > Nylander
JvR > Schmaltz and Pokka
In future (3-5 years):
Panarin = Nylander
JvR < Schmaltz & Pokka
I know Leafs-fans love Nylander and JvR and I love Panarin, but cmon with your proposals.
Panarin is a way better and committed defensive player than Kane. He also backchecks, which is something Kane shows little willingness to do. Panarin also wins a fair number of board battles. Neither are deficiencies in his game.
The reason he gets so many offensive zone starts is simply because of Kruger and Toews, who take as many defensive zone draws as is humanly possible, because why wouldn't they. Q has a few faults, such as his illogical man crushes on useless grinders like Bollig/Mashinter/Tootoo, but one thing he is as good at as any coach is exploiting matchups. Kruger (and Bolland before him) gives him a crutch to lean on that gets the puck out of the D zone pretty quickly and then if his line isn't able to carry the puck into the O zone, they will flip a weak shot on net and crash to force an offensive zone faceoff for the Panarin/Anisimov/Kane line.
I really do not understand why other teams do not consistently deploy this strategy with their bottom six lines. Dump and chase is so stupid, especially when you are a smaller, skilled team like the Hawks. Carry it in or throw it at the goalie and force him to freeze it. There is a better chance of winning a faceoff (even with Anisimov) than there is of dumping the puck in and retrieving it.
The reason he gets so many offensive zone starts is simply because of Kruger and Toews, who take as many defensive zone draws as is humanly possible, because why wouldn't they. Q has a few faults, such as his illogical man crushes on useless grinders like Bollig/Mashinter/Tootoo, but one thing he is as good at as any coach is exploiting matchups. Kruger (and Bolland before him) gives him a crutch to lean on that gets the puck out of the D zone pretty quickly and then if his line isn't able to carry the puck into the O zone, they will flip a weak shot on net and crash to force an offensive zone faceoff for the Panarin/Anisimov/Kane line.
I really do not understand why other teams do not consistently deploy this strategy with their bottom six lines. Dump and chase is so stupid, especially when you are a smaller, skilled team like the Hawks. Carry it in or throw it at the goalie and force him to freeze it. There is a better chance of winning a faceoff (even with Anisimov) than there is of dumping the puck in and retrieving it.
bleedblue1223
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That's not the sole reason for his zone splits, look at Kane's splits for example, he's only been over 70% offensive zone starts once in his career.
Again, it's not a problem, just context for his possession stats.
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