Artemi Panarin, MSG reached settlements with Rangers employee after sexual assault allegation

[BruinLVGA]

You are arguing against a brick wall. These threads go the same way every single time. Some people don't want common sense to get in the way of their outrage.

It's almost comical to think that this lady wouldn't have any reservations if put in the same situation again because that would be victim blaming herself for the original situation.

I know. Though it just takes 2 minutes of my day to let these champions of the virtue-signaling + outrage Olympics know that there‘s folks whose common sense is still alive and well, so why not.

 

[BruinLVGA]

"Giving a Player a benzo" As a non native speaker, Are we talking about medicine here or is this a slang expression for something else?

I am a non native speaker too. I imagine that this is about Benzodiazepin style medication. Xanax and such.

 

[Devilsfan118]

Rest of the NHL fan bases watching the Rangers this year...

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mmmmmm nah keep it going, keep it going.

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

As long as they didn’t use Hockey Canada slush fund to pay off the disgruntled employee.

That fund has to be set aside for our up and coming future stars on the ice .

Not that old fricken Russian use to be player.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Have the details of whatever allegedly happened come out? Or is this another one of those situations where the predator is being protected by moneyed interests?

 

[robertmac43]

Some of the takes in here are insane....

 

[Statto]

"Giving a Player a benzo" As a non native speaker, Are we talking about medicine here or is this a slang expression for something else?

It’s short for benzodiazepines which are drugs that suppress the Central Nervous System.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Where this story loses me is the "lone female has the strength to push around a male professional athlete." That's about as far as I'll go in this thread.

It doesn’t say she physically overpowered him in a fight.

Isn’t it quite possible that he pinned her, she struggled, so he realized it wasn’t going the way he expected and eased up enough for her to push him away?

 

[King'sPawn]

It doesn’t say she physically overpowered him in a fight.

Isn’t it quite possible that he pinned her, she struggled, so he realized it wasn’t going the way he expected and eased up enough for her to push him away?

Gtfo here with that Marvel movie nonsensr

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

It’s short for benzodiazepine

Benzodiazepine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Aka Xanax

 

[Three On Zero]

It doesn’t say she physically overpowered him in a fight.

Isn’t it quite possible that he pinned her, she struggled, so he realized it wasn’t going the way he expected and eased up enough for her to push him away?

She may not have even struggled, he could have made his advance, and she pushed him off. Unless you're a complete idiot and don't understand what no means, it doesn't take much to push a person off if they understand you are pushing them away.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

The Xanax thing raises serious doubts about the claim. She was fired for sharing a legit drug with a player (technically a crime) and a serious no-no to be giving a pro athlete one of those, who are drug tested and what not and need to be in top conditon all the time. Then claimed she was treated unfairly for being fired for that (which is BS), that gets you fired from any job. And then brings up this story.

It's really not unreasonable to doubt that this really happened and/or was extremely exaggerated when you follow what happened.

And, OT but It's crazy to me that you can be prescribed Xanax for a supposed phobia. That shit should be reserved for extreme, chronic anxiety.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

"Never stay in room with one other person only in your workplace." Thats a golden rule for Male employees from teacher to CEO. If you dont follow it you only have ti blame yourself.

I don't know, maybe if less blokes are dirt bag pieces of shit like Panarin, no one would have to worry about being around a co-worker assaulting them whether they're inebriated or not.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

She may not have even struggled, he could have made his advance, and she pushed him off. Unless you're a complete idiot and don't understand what no means, it doesn't take much to push a person off if they understand you are pushing them away.

Mate, blokes that behave the way Panarin do, don't understand what no means from the onset. It's kind of what dipshit sexual predators are known for, not understanding that no means no. Pair that with Bread boy being in a relationship himself is just an even worse look for an already dumb thing he did.

Either way, he should never be making that choice to begin with. He's married, wanting to cheat by some highschool bs of stealing the phone is just moronic. The funny thing is what he was blamed for doing to an 18yr old and paying to make it go away is literally what he did this time around, you lose the benefit of the doubt when you do something you claim as revenge for speaking up.

 

[Three On Zero]

Mate, blokes that behave the way Panarin do, don't understand what no means from the onset. It's kind of what dipshit sexual predators are known for, not understanding that no means no. Pair that with Bread boy being in a relationship himself is just an even worse look for an already dumb thing he did.

Either way, he should never be making that choice to begin with. He's married, wanting to cheat by some highschool bs of stealing the phone is just moronic. The funny thing is what he was blamed for doing to an 18yr old and paying to make it go away is literally what he did this time around, you lose the benefit of the doubt when you do something you claim as revenge for speaking up.

He clearly did understand what no meant as it didn't progress any further. (that we know of)

 

[Honour Over Glory]

He clearly did understand what no meant as it didn't progress any further. (that we know of)

The woman pushing him off and leaving isn’t him understanding what no means.

 

[Statto]

Mate, blokes that behave the way Panarin do, don't understand what no means from the onset. It's kind of what dipshit sexual predators are known for, not understanding that no means no. Pair that with Bread boy being in a relationship himself is just an even worse look for an already dumb thing he did.

Either way, he should never be making that choice to begin with. He's married, wanting to cheat by some highschool bs of stealing the phone is just moronic. The funny thing is what he was blamed for doing to an 18yr old and paying to make it go away is literally what he did this time around, you lose the benefit of the doubt when you do something you claim as revenge for speaking up.

They also don’t understand that “no” doesn’t actually need to be said for there to be no consent. Intoxication is the obvious red flag, but some women freeze completely because so many are subject to unwanted sexual advances (bum pats, man handling, squeezes etc). There’s an inability and unwillingness to read the situation… body language etc. I won’t go into what should be considered positive interactions in sex, but if a partner goes tense, quiet, turns their head away etc you actually need to have a conversation and respect what is said. Too many people think that it’s a porn movie where a woman should be submissive, which is fine if that’s her thing, but you probably need to have a conversation there too.

Sex is something we all should discuss openly, it’s juvenile to treat it as a taboo subject. I talk with all my partners about likes, dislikes etc. That includes hook ups and flings. Apart from anything better understanding leads to much better encounters. It doesn’t affect spontaneous interactions either, it just makes the build up more fun and the pay off greater.

Try it guys….. you might be surprised.

 

[Three On Zero]

The woman pushing him off and leaving isn’t him understanding what no means.

Sure it is. Did anything more happen? Did he continue to make advances? From what we know, no he didn’t

 

[King'sPawn]

Sure it is. Did anything more happen? Did he continue to make advances? From what we know, no he didn’t

I think the overall point is that requiring to be pushed off suggests he didn't understand it well enough. I mean, good he didn't try harder, but that's a low bar.

It's like someone trying to sneak into a store to burglarize it. If the store owner pulls out a shotgun and tells the burglar to leave, are we really going to celebrate that the burglar didn't escalate it further?

Just because it could have been worse doesn't mean it was okay.

I think there's this general issue that pressured sex = sexual assault has men feeling uneasy because they don't want to think about how a previous sexual encounter may have been wrong.

As Statto said, sexual assault and rape doesn't have to be violent. Those are just the way they are portrayed in TV.

But sex via intoxication, trickery, pressure, etc. Anything that involves sex where the partner would not or could not knowingly give consent are all wrong.

Yes, I'm glad Panarin came to his senses that he didn't do more. But as a majority of these forums are comprised of men, and statistically men are the biggest offenders of this nature, it's important to have the discussion of needing to be better.

Because assuming the report is true, Panarin needed to be.

 

[Three On Zero]

I think the overall point is that requiring to be pushed off suggests he didn't understand it well enough. I mean, good he didn't try harder, but that's a low bar.

It's like someone trying to sneak into a store to burglarize it. If the store owner pulls out a shotgun and tells the burglar to leave, are we really going to celebrate that the burglar didn't escalate it further?

Just because it could have been worse doesn't mean it was okay.

I think there's this general issue that pressured sex = sexual assault has men feeling uneasy because they don't want to think about how a previous sexual encounter may have been wrong.

As Statto said, sexual assault and rape doesn't have to be violent. Those are just the way they are portrayed in TV.

But sex via intoxication, trickery, pressure, etc. Anything that involves sex where the partner would not or could not knowingly give consent are all wrong.

Yes, I'm glad Panarin came to his senses that he didn't do more. But as a majority of these forums are comprised of men, and statistically men are the biggest offenders of this nature, it's important to have the discussion of needing to be better.

Because assuming the report is true, Panarin needed to be.

No one’s trying to absolve Panarin of what he did, it was still a slimey, sleazy tactic. Panarin assaulted a woman, that is a given.

The point is Panarin had a woman alone and in a vulnerable position, he very well could have escalated the situation but he did not. From what we know it ended and that was it.

That’s the difference between this and the ongoing Hockey Canada trial.

 

[wetcoast]

Some of the takes in here are insane....

What did you expect though?

Many here can't even discuss hockey players in good faith does anyone expect the level of discourse to rise to the occasion for anything that treads into these types of waters?

The "courts of public opinion" are usually even lower than the Judge Judy trash people watch on daytime TV.

 

[robertmac43]

What did you expect though?

Many here can't even discuss hockey players in good faith does anyone expect the level of discourse to rise to the occasion for anything that treads into these types of waters?

The "courts of public opinion" are usually even lower than the Judge Judy trash people watch on daytime TV.

Human decency...But yeah you are 100% right.... Anonymous forums like this bring in the worst kind of takes on these subjects.

 

[Statto]

No one’s trying to absolve Panarin of what he did, it was still a slimey, sleazy tactic. Panarin assaulted a woman, that is a given.

The point is Panarin had a woman alone and in a vulnerable position, he very well could have escalated the situation but he did not. From what we know it ended and that was it.

That’s the difference between this and the ongoing Hockey Canada trial.

Yes it’s different, but nobody gets credit for not escalating things.

 

[Three On Zero]

Yes it’s different, but nobody gets credit for not escalating things.

He doesn’t get credit, he still did what he did. It’s acknowledging that he didn’t pursue things further. Which is likely why this was settled the way it was.

 

[King'sPawn]

He doesn’t get credit, he still did what he did. It’s acknowledging that he didn’t pursue things further. Which is likely why this was settled the way it was.

This discussion centers around him not understanding no.

The woman pushing him off and leaving isn’t him understanding what no means.

Sure it is. Did anything more happen? Did he continue to make advances? From what we know, no he didn’t

So what are you arguing? That his not escalating is evidence that he understands no? What about her reportedly having to push him off? Seems like he doesn't fully understand.