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Artemi Panarin, MSG reached settlements with Rangers employee after sexual assault allegation

There are always so many people on here who will come up with any and all excuses to give a pass to guys who commit sexual assault while blaming the victim at the same time, the mental gymnastics is honestly a little impressive, but it is also incredibly creepy. Some of you really need to take an honest look in the mirror.
 
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StrangeVision said:
There are always so many people on here who will come up with any and all excuses to give a pass to guys who commit sexual assault while blaming the victim at the same time, the mental gymnastics is honestly a little impressive, but it is also incredibly creepy. Some of you really need to take an honest look in the mirror.
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The mental gymnastics some people do is impressive for sure, but not for the reasons you're thinking
 
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StrangeVision said:
There are always so many people on here who will come up with any and all excuses to give a pass to guys who commit sexual assault while blaming the victim at the same time, the mental gymnastics is honestly a little impressive, but it is also incredibly creepy. Some of you really need to take an honest look in the mirror.
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Can you quote the posters who are doing this?
 
JKG33 said:
In situations like these, its often quicker and easier for a person or corporation of wealth (Like Panarain and the Rags) to pay someone to go away rather than going through a trial, which then allows them to be dragged through the court of public opinion as well.

Im not saying Panarin and the Rags are innocent, but its very telling that this is a civil settlement and not a criminal case
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Not really. Based on the details provided, what evidence would you expect that would warrant a criminal case?

There was no penetration. The alleged assault was limited to grabbing and pinning down, so there are no documented injuries. And as this happened in a room, there's no video footage.

It's literally a he said/she said scenario. There's no way this would go to court. This is a major reason why crimes of this nature are underreported or unreported.
 
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King'sPawn said:
Not really. Based on the details provided, what evidence would you expect that would warrant a criminal case?

There was no penetration. The alleged assault was limited to grabbing and pinning down, so there are no documented injuries. And as this happened in a room, there's no video footage.

It's literally a he said/she said scenario. There's no way this would go to court. This is a major reason why crimes of this nature are underreported or unreported.
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That's my point, if it were something substantial this would be a criminal case. And if she had a real chance of winning, she wouldn't settle. This is the Rags telling her to shut up and go away, it creates less negative PR than wiping the floor with her in court.
 
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JKG33 said:
That's my point, if it were something substantial this would be a criminal case. And if she had a real chance of winning, she wouldn't settle. This is the Rags telling her to shut up and go away, it creates less negative PR than wiping the floor with her in court.
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Seems more like a "you f***ed up" "Yeah, well you f***ed up also" situation. Pay her a couple years salary and terminate her employment. Panarin could very well be lucky that she pushed him off before it became a sexual assault case.
 
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JKG33 said:
That's my point, if it were something substantial this would be a criminal case. And if she had a real chance of winning, she wouldn't settle. This is the Rags telling her to shut up and go away, it creates less negative PR than wiping the floor with her in court.
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...there is nothing about the story reported so far that lends credence to any of this. You literally made this all up in your head.
 
JKG33 said:
In situations like these, its often quicker and easier for a person or corporation of wealth (Like Panarain and the Rags) to pay someone to go away rather than going through a trial, which then allows them to be dragged through the court of public opinion as well.

Im not saying Panarin and the Rags are innocent, but its very telling that this is a civil settlement and not a criminal case
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Do you not understand that this was a work-related incident and hence different standards apply? Panarin likely didn’t do anything illegal, but likely violated Rangers policy and would be sanctioned by the league if the details of the situation were to become public (hence the NDA).

Seems dirty that star players can misbehave in a way that would likely result in the punishment or termination of a co-workers in most any other work situation.
 
Where this story loses me is the "lone female has the strength to push around a male professional athlete." That's about as far as I'll go in this thread.
 
Mattb124 said:
Do you not understand that this was a work-related incident and hence different standards apply? Panarin likely didn’t do anything illegal, but likely violated Rangers policy and would be sanctioned by the league if the details of the situation were to become public (hence the NDA).

Seems dirty that star players can misbehave in a way that would likely result in the punishment or termination of a co-workers in most any other work situation.
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The league knows all the details and was fine with the outcome. a 3rd party law firm did the investigation, and the league/rangers were aware of all the details.
 
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Three On Zero said:
And that’s the exact issue with this article. It’s missing so much information that us as the public are working off of “probables”. The only factual information we have is that Panarin used sleazy tactics and at minimum assaulted a woman.
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I'm not a court of law, probables are plenty for me lol,
 
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Tawnos said:
No, I'm not saying she gave him money. At the most basic level, NDAs have nothing to do with money being paid.

She directly benefits from the NDA, not indirectly. In a case where there is wrongdoing on the part of both parties, the NDA protects them both. Never said it made him innocent of allegations. That's your own ridiculous leap. I've said nothing in an attempt to justify or defend Panarin's actions. I'm explaining to you that, because there was also wrongdoing on her part, the context of the NDA changes. And before you make another ridiculous leap, I'm not saying she wronged *Panarin* in any way. This whole thing only came to light because the team was investigating the pill sharing incident, which didn't have anything to do with him. There is nothing that would serve her in the details of that being available, so the NDA covers that too.

Considering the lack of details, the real point here is that this story is FAR too complicated for the simplistic point-of-view on NDAs that you're describing.
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You're being dishonest and robotic here.

Everything points to Panarin paying her to keep silent about an assault. Your entire 2nd paragraph reads like what a lawyer would tell a jury to confuse them.

It's not because you make a situation sound complicated that it really is. If you truly believe she was motivated to sign the NDA because she gave someone a benzo (something which would get her a conditional absolution 99.9% of the time in front of a judge) then don't let me stop you,
 
JKG33 said:
That's my point, if it were something substantial this would be a criminal case. And if she had a real chance of winning, she wouldn't settle. This is the Rags telling her to shut up and go away, it creates less negative PR than wiping the floor with her in court.
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... huh?

JKG33 said:
Where this story loses me is the "lone female has the strength to push around a male professional athlete." That's about as far as I'll go in this thread.
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Yeahhhhh, this checks out with your overall attitude above.
 
King'sPawn said:
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Yeahhhhh, this checks out with your overall attitude above.
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I dunno what to tell you, this is real life not a marvel movie.

This seems like the story they're ok with being public. Either Panarin did something much worse and they're legitimately covering something up, or she got in a hotel room alone with Panarin and is making something up for a payday.
 
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JKG33 said:
I dunno what to tell you, this is real life not a marvel movie.

This seems like the story they're ok with being public. Either Panarin did something much worse and they're legitimately covering something up, or she got in a hotel room alone with Panarin and is making something up for a payday.
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Sounds like you have a detachment from reality.

Women can get out from being pinned by an athlete without it needing to be a Marvel movie.

I won't talk about suggesting Panarin doing "much worse", since we'd be exploring countless scenarios and speculation which would range between unhelpful or disturbing.
 
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MoneyManny said:
You're being dishonest and robotic here.

Everything points to Panarin paying her to keep silent about an assault. Your entire 2nd paragraph reads like what a lawyer would tell a jury to confuse them.

It's not because you make a situation sound complicated that it really is. If you truly believe she was motivated to sign the NDA because she gave someone a benzo (something which would get her a conditional absolution 99.9% of the time in front of a judge) then don't let me stop you,
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No, I’m being honest about how much information we have. If you want to jump to a ton of conclusions that aren’t entirely borne out by the facts we know, don’t let me stop you.
 
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Reindl87 said:
"Giving a Player a benzo" As a non native speaker, Are we talking about medicine here or is this a slang expression for something else?
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She was on the social media team. Not a doctor. She gave someone a pill from her prescription or one she bought on the streets.
 
Tawnos said:
No, I’m being honest about how much information we have. If you want to jump to a ton of conclusions that aren’t entirely borne out by the facts we know, don’t let me stop you.
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We have more than enough information to make a mostly enlightened assumption as regular people. I dunno why internet forums want to pretend we're in front of a grand jury arguing over a pretty damn small chance of the events never occuring.

If the woman was anyone you know you'd have made a decision for much much less than what we have.
 
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