Artemi Panarin, MSG reached settlements with Rangers employee after sexual assault allegation

We're not in criminal court. We're not even in civil court. In the court of public opinion, people can use whatever criteria they want.

We are allowed to have opinions based on information presented. And one side chose not to share their side of the story.

This seems to be a key point Panarin apologists (not directly at you) ignore. They keep saying we're only listening to one side. We'd weigh in on additional information Panarin presents if he'd actually ****ing do it.

And there's a reason why some of us side with the accuser - even though the team settled and the news story is out there, Panarin's not having additional consequences. He gets a nice guy award 24 hours for shit's sake.

The accuser gets compensated after (your pick):
- going through a horrific ordeal
- getting unfairly reprimanded for giving a Rangers player anti-anxiety medication while he was struggling with a flight.
Neither side shared their story, this is all 3rd party information. Both sides declined to comment. The victim signed a Non-disclosure agreement, unless she is willing to breach a legally binding contract, we will never know her side.

“Unfairly reprimanded” for sharing prescription drugs :laugh:

Yes. In New York, sharing prescription drugs with another person is considered a “sale” of a controlled substance, which is typically a D felony of Criminal Sale of a Controlled Substance in the Fifth Degree, PL 220.31 or the B felony of Criminal Sale of a Controlled Substance in the Third Degree, PL 220.39.
 
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Neither side shared their story, this is all 3rd party information. Both sides declined to comment. The victim signed a Non-disclosure agreement, unless she is willing to breach a legally binding contract, we will never know her side.
We have the details Strang shared as far as her side. Sorry you haven't been able to keep up. Maybe your psychologist wife can investigate your issues with focus.
“Unfairly reprimanded” for sharing prescription drugs :laugh:

Yes. In New York, sharing prescription drugs with another person is considered a “sale” of a controlled substance, which is typically a D felony of Criminal Sale of a Controlled Substance in the Fifth Degree, PL 220.31 or the B felony of Criminal Sale of a Controlled Substance in the Third Degree, PL 220.39.
Again, this is from Strang's article.

How have you been this active in the thread and not paid attention to the details shared? I thought you read the report to your wife?

And it may be against the law to share a prescription. But if someone is having anxiety flying and if it doesn't hurt them, I think it's absurd to punish someone for "selling."
 
Neither side shared their story, this is all 3rd party information. Both sides declined to comment. The victim signed a Non-disclosure agreement, unless she is willing to breach a legally binding contract, we will never know her side.

“Unfairly reprimanded” for sharing prescription drugs :laugh:

Yes. In New York, sharing prescription drugs with another person is considered a “sale” of a controlled substance, which is typically a D felony of Criminal Sale of a Controlled Substance in the Fifth Degree, PL 220.31 or the B felony of Criminal Sale of a Controlled Substance in the Third Degree, PL 220.39.
Both sides didn’t “decline” to comment. Panarin paid the woman off. He used his privilege (multimillionaire and star on a billion dollar team) to escape consequences and accountability.
 
We have the details Strang shared as far as her side. Sorry you haven't been able to keep up. Maybe your psychologist wife can investigate your issues with focus.

Again, this is from Strang's article.

How have you been this active in the thread and not paid attention to the details shared? I thought you read the report to your wife?

And it may be against the law to share a prescription. But if someone is having anxiety flying and if it doesn't hurt them, I think it's absurd to punish someone for "selling."

Strang shared information given by 3rd parties, not the victims.

Several people in the organization were aware of the agreements and the circumstances surrounding her departure, and some of those individuals spoke to The Athletic on the condition that their identity not be disclosed because they still work in hockey.

Sharing prescription medication is against the law and very well could hurt someone if you have no records of their allergies or reactions to said medication.

There is no record of the woman reporting the incident to law enforcement. She also did not immediately alert the team. But about three months after the alleged sexual assault, she informed the team as part of an investigation into a separate incident. The team learned that the woman, whose anxiety around airplane travel was well known among team members, had shared her anti-anxiety medicine with a player who had the same issue. She was placed on paid leave pending the outcome of that investigation.
 
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Both sides didn’t “decline” to comment. Panarin paid the woman off. He used his privilege (multimillionaire and star on a billion dollar team) to escape consequences and accountability.
Which is waiving your rights to comment to anyone on what happened. Did Panarin pay her off? Did she tell Panarin she wanted money as compensation for what happened or she was going to go public with it?

Based on the available information, we have no idea what happened. And we won’t because neither side is going to comment on it.
 
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These things make for interesting social experiments to see how people react with little to no information about the situation.

1. Article alleges sexual assault without actually disclosing any sexual assault occurred.
2. Article talks about how she only brought the issue forward when she was being reprimanded months later.
3. Did Panarin initiate the settlement or did the victim ask for X amount to not drag this issue out?
4. The organization and NHL were both fine with the payouts for whatever occurred on that night.

Panarin is clearly a piece of work but talk about watching people jump to conclusions due to media dropping a very small 3rd party crumb about the situation and then going silent on it. We have no information from the victim or Panarin.
The NHL was kept abreast of the investigation and could have taken its own action against Panarin. Its burden of responsibility to punish a player is much lower than even civil courts. I’ve seen pro teams sweep things under the rug, but the fact the NHL left it at that when it has every interest to protect the league’s integrity has to be taken into consideration.
 
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The NHL was kept abreast of the investigation and could have taken its own action against Panarin. Its burden of responsibility to punish a player is much lower than even civil courts. I’ve seen pro teams sweep things under the rug, but the fact the NHL left it at that when it has every interest to protect the league’s integrity has to be taken into consideration.
Part of why it's unfortunate that we will never know what actually happened. League leaving this open to wild speculation is probably worst case scenario for them.
 
Part of why it's unfortunate that we will never know what actually happened. League leaving this open to wild speculation is probably worst case scenario for them.
It wasn’t clear to me in the first article but there a no signs of discipline from the NHL. The league could have fined or suspended him. The NHL knows the facts of the investigation, we don’t… One of the Habs prospects had posted a picture of a sexual nature on the team’s social media page before he was in the NHL. According to laws in Canada, the woman pictured was an adult 18 or 19, he was still 17, so a minor. Despite this, he had to jump through hoops and undergo a formal evaluation with the NHL before being allowed to play a game a couple of years after the fact… Unless compromising facts in the Panarin case are uncovered, there’s not more to add. The NHL staked its reputation by doing nothing.
 
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Maybe you just landed on this planet, therefore let me inform you that people don‘t always do the right and/or legal thing on this planet of ours. And in regards to that, the most important and most effective line of defense you have is not laws, it’s not police, it‘s not whatever other entity you can think of: it‘s YOU.
So, you most definitely should worry about what someone could possibly want to do to you, especially if there‘s signs that something is just not right. In her case, someone taking her phone and then telling her to come to his room to get it, should have raised all sorts of alarms. What did she need in order to understand that Panarin was up to no good, a notarized letter stating „Dear xyz, all this was simply a ruse, and when you get to my room, I intend to copulate with you. Best wishes, Artemi“?

Bla bla bla why would she worry bla bla bla she shouldn‘t have to worry bla bla bla full f***ing rage stop bla bla bla: wake up, there‘s people who will cut your head off in this world, it isn‘t paradise here. Keep your eyes open and work that thing that sits in your skull, at all times. This was your free advice for the day. You‘re welcome.
Ah ok, so victim blame. Because holding Panarin accountable for being a piece of shit is out of question.

Let me reiterate this - They were both employed by the New York Rangers. They have likely crossed paths several times, 9 times out of 10 he likely was a normal bloke to her, so there's a very good chance she was like ok he's just being a little weird because he's had a few drinks, I don't have time for this shit and goes up to get her phone. That's also a quite normal scenario when you're both colleagues. What isn't is what happened when she went to retrieve her phone, because a dirtbag predator like Panarin, took that as his opportunity.

Which then just validates the dumb shit he did in Russia as being his true self this whole time, a piece of shit. It really does make sense he was attracted to the Hawks and the Rangers.
 
To be fair, I'm not sure i'd call it hockey culture, so much as the culture of tribalism surrounding professional sports in general
No lets be honest here, if Panarin was a woman and the person assaulted was a man, the tables would be turned and it'd be jokes like calling the staffer a wimp or something else idiotic. The issue here is a lot of men still can't help themselves with being dipshits. It turns into shit like - She was asking for it, why did she put herself in that position, well of course it's going to happen if she went alone.

Those type of men are simply just too ignorant and smooth brained to understand that the issue isn't her, it's Panarin. It's always Panarin in this scenario. They're colleagues, she was on flights with the team, enough so where this came to light because she was caught giving some of her anxiety meds to another player, so she was in close proximity to those players, so it stands to reason that she was fine around them most of the time. Up until a absolute knob like Panarin gets a few Bud Light's in him and he figures let me just try some Harvey Weinstein shit because why not, to her it's probably like "Oh ok this whiny athlete got a few drinks, thinks this is funny, I don't find it funny, let me get my phone so I can get out of here" and she goes up. She should never feel like she is going to be assaulted. No one should.

What if it was a maid coming in because he called one to get some help in his room and then he pins her down?

What would be the rationale by them then? "Well that maid shouldn't have gone in there by herself obviously..."

Lol, that's the kind of rationale they have. The legal part of it is - The Rangers and the Player settled with her. Because both sides could see oh ok this is bad and we need to make sure she can't talk about it, but shit like this always comes to light some way or another. The human side of it is - One bloke decided he can act insanely inappropriate and cross the line with someone without consent. Absolutely none of that is her fault and it is 100% wrong by Panarin. The NHL loves to draw a hard line with certain players, Voynov had his incident and he was kicked out, Leivo or whatever his name was called someone's wife fat and out he went, but Panarin, it's always all about how good you are and how much of it can be written off as "well it was dealt with."

Let's never forget that the NHL literally claimed it did a thorough investigation of the Washington Steroid Scandal, then it was found out that the NHL did absolutely no investigation and still kept claiming it did and the law enforcement that would have handled it said no such investigation by the NHL happened and their own people confirmed it. Then the comical way the Hawks let a sexual predator just go and go and assault others and the NHL slapped a billionaire on the wrist with pocket change for a fine.

Accountability is almost non existent under that loser Gary Bettman.

Edit: By "those guys" I am not specifically calling anyone out, just calling out the types that still don't get that saying a woman should have gone with someone is literally the problem, the fact that she can't go and handle something on her own because of a bloke that might do something.
 
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If someone does that to a junior employee, that’s a fireable offense in 99% of workplaces.

Not sure how the laws work in Canada but in the US people have the right to work in an environment free from sexual harassment.

And pushing a coworker down on a bed and kissing them (or “attempting to have intercourse” as you euphemistically phrase it) certainly qualifies as sexual harassment.
Look, I'm not saying what he did (if he did) was right, but trying to qualify it as sexual harassment at workplace is a bit of overreaction in my opinion.
It happened in hotel after working hours. Apparently, alcohol was involved. He could've misunderstood her intentions, or she could've changed her mood. We do not know what happened in that room. What I'm sure of is that if there's been anything remotely serious I doubt they've settled it like this and moved on.

What I know for sure is that's an employers obligation to set a safe working environment in an organization full of young people. But even if you do.. I'm sure you realize how many working relations turn into something more? People are not robots, they have emotions and feelings.

What I'm trying to say is rushing to stick a label or someone based on limited information is never a right thing to do.
We have the details Strang shared as far as her side. Sorry you haven't been able to keep up. Maybe your psychologist wife can investigate your issues with focus.

Again, this is from Strang's article.

How have you been this active in the thread and not paid attention to the details shared? I thought you read the report to your wife?

And it may be against the law to share a prescription. But if someone is having anxiety flying and if it doesn't hurt them, I think it's absurd to punish someone for "selling."
She shared a friggin tranquilizer. It's not a headache-relief pill like panadol.

Going through stories like this is you realize that these sports-people are... well they're definitely are not the brightest folk around. One is stealing co-workers phone and tries to kiss her, second one shares Xanax or whatever with colleague and this colleague accepts it. And that's just a single story that popped out to public lol.
 
Look, I'm not saying what he did (if he did) was right, but trying to qualify it as sexual harassment at workplace is a bit of overreaction in my opinion.
It happened in hotel after working hours. Apparently, alcohol was involved. He could've misunderstood her intentions, or she could've changed her mood. We do not know what happened in that room. What I'm sure of is that if there's been anything remotely serious I doubt they've settled it like this and moved on.

What I know for sure is that's an employers obligation to set a safe working environment in an organization full of young people. But even if you do.. I'm sure you realize how many working relations turn into something more? People are not robots, they have emotions and feelings.

What I'm trying to say is rushing to stick a label or someone based on limited information is never a right thing to do.

She shared a friggin tranquilizer. It's not a headache-relief pill like panadol.

Going through stories like this is you realize that these sports-people are... well they're definitely are not the brightest folk around. One is stealing co-workers phone and tries to kiss her, second one shares Xanax or whatever with colleague and this colleague accepts it. And that's just a single story that popped out to public lol.
Hotels have cameras, there's a reason they paid to keep it quiet on both sides, it doesn't take much for either party to get that footage.
 
Neither side shared their story, this is all 3rd party information. Both sides declined to comment. The victim signed a Non-disclosure agreement, unless she is willing to breach a legally binding contract, we will never know her side.

“Unfairly reprimanded” for sharing prescription drugs :laugh:

Yes. In New York, sharing prescription drugs with another person is considered a “sale” of a controlled substance, which is typically a D felony of Criminal Sale of a Controlled Substance in the Fifth Degree, PL 220.31 or the B felony of Criminal Sale of a Controlled Substance in the Third Degree, PL 220.39.
You think people sign non disclosure agreements for fun?

A settlement is an admission of guilt, 100%. They are pretty much the plea deals of civil court. We don't have to hear her side, his side confirmed it by settling.

"I'm going to pay you large sums of money that i earned so you are legally forbidden to tell people about all the things that totally never happened" said noone ever.
 
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Hotels have cameras, there's a reason they paid to keep it quiet on both sides, it doesn't take much for either party to get that footage.
Hotels have cameras in hallways and lobbies but not inside guest rooms. Footage would only confirm her entering and leaving Panarin's room. Moreover, hotels are not allowed to share recording with third-parties unless there's a police investigation. What would be the point of paying them?
 
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You think people sign non disclosure agreements for fun?

A settlement is an admission of guilt, 100%. They are pretty much the plea deals of civil court. We don't have to hear her side, his side confirmed it by settling.

"I'm going to pay you large sums of money that i earned so you are legally forbidden to tell people about all the things that totally never happened" said noone ever.
Settlement agreement is not admission of guilt. How did you come up with this nonsense? Settlement is a compromise. One may pay-off someone simply to avoid unwanted attention and/or publicity. It may benefit both parties in the end.
There's lots of settlements in business where even though you believe you are right you're accepting less due to anticipated high legal costs, delays associated with payment or not even being confident enough to file it to arbitration or even publicity.
 
Settlement agreement is not admission of guilt. How did you come up with this nonsense? Settlement is a compromise. One may pay-off someone simply to avoid unwanted attention and/or publicity. It may benefit both parties in the end.
There's lots of settlements in business where even though you believe you are right you're accepting less due to anticipated high legal costs, delays associated with payment or not even being confident enough to file it to arbitration or even publicity.
Yeah, like i said, civil court's plea deals. And in a business context where litterally the only thing to lose or gain is money for a faceless corporation you're 100% right.

This isn't though. This is a sexual assault allegation where the public opinion will condemn the accused until proven innocent, and having the alleged victim promise to keep her mouth shut in exchange for money isn't a good look for Panarin at all and won't help him clear his name or reputation one bit.

This is just not something innocent people do.
 
Yeah, like i said, civil court's plea deals. And in a business context where litterally the only thing to lose or gain is money for a faceless corporation you're 100% right.

This isn't though. This is a sexual assault allegation where the public opinion will condemn the accused until proven innocent, and having the alleged victim promise to keep her mouth shut in exchange for money isn't a good look for Panarin at all and won't help him clear his name or reputation one bit.

This is just not something innocent people do.
Of course, there's no smoke without a fire. I'm not saying he is innocent, I'm just assuming (based on what's been leaked) that it wasn't as serious as some people over here tend to imagine.

It would've rested under the rug for god knows how long but someone leaked it in 1,5 years after the incident. Probably with a purpose.
 
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You think people sign non disclosure agreements for fun?

A settlement is an admission of guilt, 100%. They are pretty much the plea deals of civil court. We don't have to hear her side, his side confirmed it by settling.

"I'm going to pay you large sums of money that i earned so you are legally forbidden to tell people about all the things that totally never happened" said noone ever.
Not necessarily.
 
Are we gonna have to make a new clause in contracts for these little weirdos , I suppose all of Panarins teamates will go for a drink together to celebrate the settlement , yikes
 
Ah ok, so victim blame. Because holding Panarin accountable for being a piece of shit is out of question.

Let me reiterate this - They were both employed by the New York Rangers. They have likely crossed paths several times, 9 times out of 10 he likely was a normal bloke to her, so there's a very good chance she was like ok he's just being a little weird because he's had a few drinks, I don't have time for this shit and goes up to get her phone. That's also a quite normal scenario when you're both colleagues. What isn't is what happened when she went to retrieve her phone, because a dirtbag predator like Panarin, took that as his opportunity.

Which then just validates the dumb shit he did in Russia as being his true self this whole time, a piece of shit. It really does make sense he was attracted to the Hawks and the Rangers.
Nope, no „victim blame“. There‘s an obvious perpetrator and victim here. It’s as clear cut as it can be. No room for maneuver or interpretation, in my opinion.

However, I have simply been saying from post number one that it was blatantly obvious to any normal person that Panarin was up to no good and that it was incredibly stupid for her to go there alone.
Either alert your supervisor or Rangers management of the situation and let them deal with it, or simply go with someone else (colleague, supervisor, staff from the hotel, you get the idea) to the room to retrieve your property.
Now… What part of this don‘t you understand? What part of this seems hard to do? Do explain.

And yes, I - and everyone else for that matter - know that in a perfect world any of this shouldn‘t happen. But it‘s not a perfect world: as a matter of fact there‘s plenty of predators ready to take advantage of one person‘s bad judgment. If you wait for someone else to shield you, you‘re gonna get f****d 100/100. This is a teachable moment for that young lady.

PS: when you say „ok he's just being a little weird because he's had a few drinks“, that‘s the biggest red flag you can think of. You‘re aware what alcohol does to people, right? Something something inhibition…
 

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