Artemi Panarin, MSG reached settlements with Rangers employee after sexual assault allegation

[AzHawk]

My ex was abducted, beaten and raped. She didn't report it for months because she was dealing with the impact of it. I wish I were making this up, but I'm not. Folks deal with shit in different ways. Try to put yourself in someone else's shoes for once instead of acting like a clown.

Please read the context in which I defended the victim. I think I can see how it could look like I was criticizing her (by ignoring the context entirely), but I assure you I wasn't.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Didn’t realize Weinstein was part of that story, until I read that, thanks for sharing.

I remember the thread and Twitter etc. for when the lawsuit was filed (before dismissal obviously), everyone was ready to force him out as an owner and said he's done for (for mainly the reason you pointed out, being mentioned with that PoS). But obviously turned out to be bunk...

In this case though, we will likely never learn any further details or information so all you can do is form an opinion with the very limited and vague information about it.

It is concerning that she had to be paid off at all and Panarin/Rangers aren't denying or commenting on this, but we don't know any further details. Was part of this payment severance (she was apparently sharing Xanax with at least one player and might have been fired). And the story about the phone and hotel room is a little fishy...

 

[Fatass]

I remember the thread and Twitter etc. for when the lawsuit was filed (before dismissal obviously), everyone was ready to force him out as an owner and said he's done for (for mainly the reason you pointed out, being mentioned with that PoS). But obviously turned out to be bunk...

In this case though, we will likely never learn any further details or information so all you can do is form an opinion with the very limited and vague information about it.

It is concerning that she had to be paid off at all and Panarin/Rangers aren't denying or commenting on this, but we don't know any further details. Was part of this payment severance (she was apparently sharing Xanax with at least one player and might have been fired). And the story about the phone and hotel room is a little fishy...

If the phone and (alleged) assault in the hotel room is “fishy”, as you suggest, then why the settlement and Non Disclosure Agreement?

 

[ThatGuy22]

If the phone and (alleged) assault in the hotel room is “fishy”, as you suggest, then why the settlement and Non Disclosure Agreement?

What the settlement amount is would be key to understanding this situation. Something we're likely not ever to know.

Could be anywhere to a 1/3/6 months of salary(more of a severance as she's out the door) to millions and a hush up deal. In either scenerio, or any in between any lawyer would require a NDA.

 

[Melkor]

Oh another story of a poor traumatized victim that just coincidentally put this out there after the org sanctioned her for giving drugs to it's employers.

Give me a break, read this stuff too many times yo sit up here and eat up all that bullshit. Panarin the Terrible who surely never had any idea that you can get cuffed up real quick in US for SA, forcefully took her phone in public and stated that she only gonna get it in his room. There are two options here: Artemi is biblically dumb or about less than 50% of that story is anywhere near the truth and they paid her just to not deal with all the scrutiny that would come with such allegations.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Oh There are two options here: Artemi is biblically dumb or about less than 50% of that story is anywhere near the truth and they paid her just to not deal with all the scrutiny that would come with such allegations.

So dumb then.

 

[JaegerDice]

Oh another story of a poor traumatized victim that just coincidentally put this out there after the org sanctioned her for giving drugs to it's employers.

Give me a break, read this stuff too many times yo sit up here and eat up all that bullshit. Panarin the Terrible who surely never had any idea that you can get cuffed up real quick in US for SA, forcefully took her phone in public and stated that she only gonna get it in his room. There are two options here: Artemi is biblically dumb or about less than 50% of that story is anywhere near the truth and they paid her just to not deal with all the scrutiny that would come with such allegations.

Statistically speaking, I'd rather bet on 'incredibly rich, coddled, entitled athlete does something dumb' than bet on 'middling employee makes significant accusation that risks a multi-million dollar enterprise going after her'.

People (and by that I mean men) vastly overestimate the upside on lying about this shit.

 

[SheldonJPlankton]

Hockey culture at its finest

She was paid so we good, right???

 

[TGWL]

I think we should just close it. Re-open if more information comes out. Right now we don't know anything other than there was a settlement. We don't know what the investigation found. We don't know what the settlement paid out. We don't know anything. Unless the league is going to re-open and further look into this, or NYR are going to terminate his contract, we have nothing here but mods baby sitting the thread. No need to keep it open.

 

[BurntToast]

Some of the responses have me very concerned about the posters on this site. A lot of you have skeletons in your closet.

 

[D Wakaluk]

We need Reuban on this case;


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Anyway, they did a decent job covering it up. Any serious fan has their mind changed about Panarin, atleast a bit

 

[JimmyH]

My ex was abducted, beaten and raped. She didn't report it for months because she was dealing with the impact of it. I wish I were making this up, but I'm not. Folks deal with shit in different ways. Try to put yourself in someone else's shoes for once instead of acting like a clown.

Let me doubt.

 

[BruinLVGA]

The point is women shouldn’t have to go with someone to retrieve their own property. The fact you think she does is why there’s a problem. There’s that analogy Dave Chapelle uses about the backpack full of money…

You look at the vile thought process by far too many people in this thread that want to blame the victim and it’s always the same here with that sort of bullshit line of thinking of “oh well, she put herself in that position” or that she might be lying. Whereas Panarin literally has incidents in his past that suggest behaviour like this wouldn’t be out of question at all and yet more are inclined to believe him or give him the benefit of the doubt when we’ve heard about far too many sexual assault cases recently in the NHL, Juniors, etc. The NHL has allowed rapists and other sick f***s to play in the NHL and then acts like it’s better than the other leagues with handling it.

The point you mention is self evident. I don’t understand how somehow you felt the need to state the obvious. What was the point of that? Anyways… what I am talking about is not the overall (let me state it again: very obvious) principle per sé: what I am talking about is what actually happened.
And in regards to that, of all things this young lady could have done to protect herself from that jackass, just about the last thing was to show up to his door alone. It would be painfully obvious to everyone with even just a few working synapses, and I would bet that it was obvious to this lady too, that Panarin grabbing her phone and bringing it to his room was a ruse to get her to go to his room. And that not to play videogames or watch TV, either…
So, this lady could have simply involved someone higher up in the organization (anyone in a supervisor capacity), so that her phone would have been returned to her or, if she was wanting to be extra nice to Panarin in regards to not escalating things, she could have simply gone there with someone else (a colleague or colleagues) and I do think that at that point Panarin wouldn‘t have done any of what he did in front of witnesses.
Instead she chose to go to his room all by herself: how stupid is that? Very, in my opinion. And that‘s all I am saying. I am not excusing Panarin in any way, shape or form. All I am saying is that this young lady needs to smarten up a little bit, because in this world, with plenty of people ready to hurt you solely to gain whatever advantage they want to get, if she doesn‘t use her brain, it‘ll be a rough path.
This is ALL I was saying. I am not interested in what other people are saying in this thread: I speak for myself, not for anyone else. Hope this is clearer.

 

[North]

I'll go a step further and say that she shouldn't have trusted a guy who allegedly just took her phone.

There are always going to be people who try to blame the victim. It gives the ick.

I bet she was trying to be low-key about it because she was concerned about her job.

She very likely didn’t realize it was going to escalate when she went to retrieve her phone.

 

[JimmyH]

There are always going to be people who try to blame the victim. It gives the ick.

I bet she was trying to be low-key about it because she was concerned about her job.

Listen, you don't know how people wield the US justice system when there's money at stake. People say and do things you wouldn't believe. They retire and start podcasting over stuff like this whether it's true or not.

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

Listen, you don't know how people wield the US justice system when there's money at stake. People say and do things you wouldn't believe.

I know, you wouldn't believe the things organizations will go through to cover up sexual assault and rape when there is money at stake.

Not like there is a very, very long list of examples of this happening over the last couple decades, and those are only the ones that were exposed.

 

[King'sPawn]

Seems like an important time to bring up reminders as some seem to forget.

- Victims of sexual assault do not always immediately, or ever, report. This is due to multiple factors: shame, feeling guilty, fear of repercussions, not wanting to experience it again, or not being believed. You can read this thread and see exactly why they don't always report.
- Sexual assault and rape are sometimes appropriately used interchangeably. In this case, the allegations include trying to force sex by pinning her down. Just because penetration didn't happen doesn't mean this shouldn't have been taken seriously.
- Accepting a settlement doesn't prove or disprove anything. With criminal cases, it would require unanimous proof within a reasonable doubt. In civil suits, it required a preponderance of evidence. The Rangers paying a settlement isn't an acknowledgment of his guilt, and her accepting the settlement isn't "trying to cash in."

I believe the sequence of events. And so consequently, taking a cell phone to lure someone into your hotel room so you can try to force sex with them is vile - and I thus think what Panarin did was vile.

You can choose not to believe the victim, but please note that even after settling on the case, Panarin is getting a "nice guy" award while half of this forum is accusing the woman of being a lying money-grabber. And it's because of this societal response that I tend to believe the victim.

 

[North]

Listen, you don't know how people wield the US justice system when there's money at stake. People say and do things you wouldn't believe. They retire and start podcasting over stuff like this whether it's true or not.

And that has nothing to do with the victim blaming. Be better.

 

[Three On Zero]

I had my wife give me her opinion and read this article. Her take aways

1. This isn’t sexual assault based on the information we know, and shouldn’t be treated as sexual assault

2. Why did she not bring this forward right away? Why did it only become an important fact when she was being reprimanded?

This from a woman with a masters in psychology who deals with sexual assault victims weekly

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

I had my wife give me her opinion and read this article. Her take aways

1. This isn’t sexual assault based on the information we know, and shouldn’t be treated as sexual assault

2. Why did she not bring this forward right away? Why did it only become an important fact when she was being reprimanded?

This from a woman with a masters in psychology who deals with sexual assault victims weekly

I won't believe it until she makes an account and posts it herself. Until then you're a guy with an opinion and a make-believe wife.

 

[King'sPawn]

I had my wife give me her opinion and read this article. Her take aways

1. This isn’t sexual assault based on the information we know, and shouldn’t be treated as sexual assault

2. Why did she not bring this forward right away? Why did it only become an important fact when she was being reprimanded?

This from a woman with a masters in psychology who deals with sexual assault victims weekly

Sounds like she should notify her clients that she's unqualified to treat sexual assault victims, and she should get a refund for the credentials she pretended to buy.

Or you need to have a talk with what your wife actually does.

 

[Hanji]

I had my wife give me her opinion and read this article. Her take aways

1. This isn’t sexual assault based on the information we know, and shouldn’t be treated as sexual assault

2. Why did she not bring this forward right away? Why did it only become an important fact when she was being reprimanded?

This from a woman with a masters in psychology who deals with sexual assault victims weekly

Per #2. She probably didn't initially bring it forward because doing so could jeopardize her job.
But later, when her job was in jeopardy (investigation), there was no reason to keep it silent anymore.

Power dynamics, my friend. Power dynamics.

 

[Bizz]

As with every high profile sexual assault accusation in a post #MeToo world, idiots will automatically assume it's 100% false and even bigger idiots will automatically assume it's 100% true.

 

[Fantomas]

Hope he ends up in Russia with all the other KHL human garbage.

I didn't know your family is associated with the KHL

 

[NewLife]

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