Artemi Panarin, MSG reached settlements with Rangers employee after sexual assault allegation

[Tawnos]

Are you insane?

It's more insane to assume anything about someone else's relationship. I'm also someone who knows people in two marriages where the husband was given permission by his wife to sleep with another woman while she was pregnant. Both were over 10 years ago and both marriages are still going strong.

Personally, that doesn't fit my values. It was shocking to find out about. The point is... you shouldn't assume that anyone has the same values as you, or even the same values as the mainstream.

 

[Strangle]

That isn’t insane. Some people are comfortable being in an open relationship for example.

I get the anger and kind of agree, but your statements are so sweeping and extreme. Remember you don’t know everything just yet. You can’t be furious panarin has a wife or be furious trouba didn’t go get her phone for her just yet

This is totally unhinged. How many “what ifs” are you willing to go through trying to defend this piece of shit?

I get that you’re a fan of the team and the player, but open your eyes you’re being ruled by something similar to Stockholm syndrome right now, you’re not being rational.

If this happened at your job between your wife and their coworker on an out of town business trip would you be making the same argument?

How about your daughter? Or if you’re younger what do you think your dad would say if this happened to your mom at work?

 

[Strangle]

It's more insane to assume anything about someone else's relationship. I'm also someone who knows people in two marriages where the husband was given permission by his wife to sleep with another woman while she was pregnant. Both were over 10 years ago and both marriages are still going strong.

Personally, that doesn't fit my values. It was shocking to find out about. The point is... you shouldn't assume that anyone has the same values as you, or even the same values as the mainstream.

Sorry bro, but that’s not a ‘marriage’. That’s something else

 

[Maliks PlusMinus]

This is totally unhinged. How many “what ifs” are you willing to go through trying to defend this piece of shit?

I get that you’re a fan of the team and the player, but open your eyes you’re being ruled by something similar to Stockholm syndrome right now, you’re not being rational.

If this happened at your job between your wife and their coworker on an out of town business trip would you be making the same argument?

How about your daughter? Or if you’re younger what do you think your dad would say if this happened to your mom at work?

Which player??? I want Panarin gone

You’re so blinded by fury you’re just spouting nonsense.

If it happened between someone and a girl in my life I would be irate with the person (panarin) and the organisation if they tried to cover it up.

That is exactly what I am!

Blaming everybody else just seems totally ludicrous

 

[Strangle]

Which player??? I want Panarin gone

You’re so blinded by fury you’re just spouting nonsense.

If it happened between someone and a girl in my life I would be irate with the person (panarin) and the organisation if they tried to cover it up.

That is exactly what I am!

Blaming everybody else just seems totally ludicrous

Then we agree, that’s great

 

[Maliks PlusMinus]

Then we agree, that’s great

Essentially yes.

Just try not to judge people in different relationships from you or judge people who very likely knew nothing about it just because you’re so angry about the incident.

 

[Tawnos]

Sorry bro, but that’s not a ‘marriage’. That’s something else

They don't care what you think about it, and neither do I. What they agree on in their relationship affects no one but them, so they can do what they want. Not my place to judge them for it.

I believe he f***ed up and deserves whatever consequences come from his actions that night. Is that the kind of person he is? Did he make a drunken mistake? Is there missing context uncovered in the investigation that reveals a pattern of behavior on his part? Is there missing context uncovered in the investigation that calls into question her account of events? I don't know. Neither do you. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Strangle]

Essentially yes.

Just try not to judge people in different relationships from you or judge people who very likely knew nothing about it just because you’re so angry about the incident.

I will absolutely judge a man who not only would cheat on his wife, but also sexually assault a woman

 

[ThatGuy22]

I always think back to 2014 when this stuff comes up. Two players of similar stature in the league were charged with DV situations. Both were shredded and crucified on these boards.

Slava Voynov was nuked from orbit immediately by the NHL, and never played a game in the league again. NHL even fined the Kings a 100k for letting him step foot on the ice in a practice.

Semyon Varlamov never missed a game due to his charges, which were also worse initially than Voynov's. Low and behold Varlamov's charges got dropped a few months later, and he won a civil suit against his accuser where in open court it became clear he absolutely did not do it.

There is always more to the story than the accusation, and the league acts based on what it knows.

Maybe it happened exactly like she said, the team paid her millions to cover it up and Paanarin should be sent to Siberian gulag.

Maybe she needed a quick excuse why she was caught on the players floor, she feared for her job and the team paid her a 10k to go away.

Either is equally probable based on what we know.

 

[thebeernerd]

I always think back to 2014 when this stuff comes up. Two players of similar stature in the league were charged with DV situations. Both were shredded and crucified on these boards.

Slava Voynov was nuked from orbit immediately by the NHL, and never played a game in the league again. NHL even fined the Kings a 100k for letting him step foot on the ice in a practice.

Semyon Varlamov never missed a game due to his charges, which were also worse initially than Voynov's. Low and behold Varlamov's charges got dropped a few months later, and he won a civil suit against his accuser where in open court it became clear he absolutely did not do it.

There is always more to the story than the accusation, and the league acts based on what it knows.

Maybe it happened exactly like she said, the team paid her millions to cover it up and Paanarin should be sent to Siberian gulag.

Maybe she needed a quick excuse why she was caught on the players floor, she feared for her job and the team paid her a 10k to go away.

Either is equally probably based on what we know.

I hear you, but based on Dolan's previous incident in covering up the sexual assault of a valued team employee, it's very hard to give the team the benefit of the doubt here.

 

[Mattb124]

I always think back to 2014 when this stuff comes up. Two players of similar stature in the league were charged with DV situations. Both were shredded and crucified on these boards.

Slava Voynov was nuked from orbit immediately by the NHL, and never played a game in the league again. NHL even fined the Kings a 100k for letting him step foot on the ice in a practice.

Semyon Varlamov never missed a game due to his charges, which were also worse initially than Voynov's. Low and behold Varlamov's charges got dropped a few months later, and he won a civil suit against his accuser where in open court it became clear he absolutely did not do it.

There is always more to the story than the accusation, and the league acts based on what it knows.

Maybe it happened exactly like she said, the team paid her millions to cover it up and Paanarin should be sent to Siberian gulag.

Maybe she needed a quick excuse why she was caught on the players floor, she feared for her job and the team paid her a 10k to go away.

Either is equally probable based on what we know.

It has been my observation that, when companies have reason to fire an employee for cause, they do not pay them to go away nor require them to sign a non-disclosure agreement.

They pay employees to keep them from taking criminal or civil action against the company and require them to sign an NDA to keep the details of the situation from going public.

 

[ThatGuy22]

I hear you, but based on Dolan's previous incident in covering up the sexual assault of a valued team employee, it's very hard to give the team the benefit of the doubt here.

The NHL has said the rangers reported it to them immediately, and has kept them in the loop about the investigation.

Just because they didn't immediately release it to the media, doesn't mean they were covering it up. Employees on all sides here have rights that are to be protected.

 

[ThatGuy22]

It has been my observation that, when companies have reason to fire an employee for cause, they do not pay them to go away nor require them to sign a non-disclosure agreement.

They pay employees to keep them from taking criminal or civil action against the company and require them to sign an NDA to keep the details of the situation from going public.

What are you talking about? Companies/people sign nuisance settlements to make things go away all the time. Especially high profile ones. We have no idea what the amount of money the settlement was for. You are right that they pay them from taking criminal or civil action. That's because lawyers are expensive, and some times it's cheaper to just make things go away even if you're in the right.

Here is an extremely possible scenario in the employment scenario. They were doing the dirty. She gets caught in the players section she's not supposed to be in. Makes up excuse about phone, team says going to fire you, in comes assault accusation. Things halt, investigation starts, etc. Team decides still going to fire after investigation, threatens civil lawsuit. Lawyers get involved to discuss "settlement" to make this go away.

For all we know she got 3 or 6 months worth of salary, and the settlement is basically just severance. I don't know or even suspect that's the case, but it's a plausible way this could have come have happened.

That's my point about Voynov vs Varlamov. We have no idea beyond the vague accusation.

 

[Bard Marchand]

Wasn't this thread locked earlier? How soon it gets derailed and locked again?

 

[Sol]

“Come to my hotel room to pick up your phone” is suspicious.

Has there been any evidence?

 

[AzHawk]

Maybe she needed a quick excuse why she was caught on the players floor, she feared for her job and the team paid her a 10k to go away.

Here is an extremely possible scenario in the employment scenario. They were doing the dirty. She gets caught in the players section she's not supposed to be in. Makes up excuse about phone, team says going to fire you, in comes assault accusation. Things halt, investigation starts, etc. Team decides still going to fire after investigation, threatens civil lawsuit. Lawyers get involved to discuss "settlement" to make this go away.

There was no quick excuse. She informed the team "about three months after."

Fun to make up "extremely possible" events from thin air though.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

If she went there with someone else, overwhelming odds are that Panarin would have opened the door and gave her back her property and nothing would have happened. If he did what he did, it‘s because no one was there and therefore he hoped to get away with it.

The point is women shouldn’t have to go with someone to retrieve their own property. The fact you think she does is why there’s a problem. There’s that analogy Dave Chapelle uses about the backpack full of money…

You look at the vile thought process by far too many people in this thread that want to blame the victim and it’s always the same here with that sort of bullshit line of thinking of “oh well, she put herself in that position” or that she might be lying. Whereas Panarin literally has incidents in his past that suggest behaviour like this wouldn’t be out of question at all and yet more are inclined to believe him or give him the benefit of the doubt when we’ve heard about far too many sexual assault cases recently in the NHL, Juniors, etc. The NHL has allowed rapists and other sick f***s to play in the NHL and then acts like it’s better than the other leagues with handling it.

 

[jackjohnson]

Lots of drama with NYR this season. Adding a player like Miller is not a good recipe for that locker room. Only a matter of time when Miller might blow up or get pissed at a teammate for not carrying their weight.

 

[John Price]

turns out panarin is a pos taking that person's phone and assaulting them. sad

 

[ThatGuy22]

There was no quick excuse. She informed the team "about three months after."

Fun to make up "extremely possible" events from thin air though.

Fair, she brought it up while being investigated for giving a player prescription anti-anxiety medicine. Swap that in instead and it still fits. And the example was simply showing why an employer might use a nuisance settlement.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

I hear you, but based on Dolan's previous incident in covering up the sexual assault of a valued team employee, it's very hard to give the team the benefit of the doubt here.

That lawsuit was flatout dismissed for not having merit, you know...?

 

[Son of Nogatco]

This is thing is overblown out of proportion. There was no police appeal, no reports, no formal accusations. Short story long: they were at a party presumably drinking, he "stole" her phone, she went into his room, he approached her with an attempt to have an intercourse, she pushed him away took her phone and left.

Is it how real gentleman behaves? Most certainly not.
Is it even borderline criminal? In my opinion - not at all. People at parties tend to get carried away and sometimes something happens between coworkers. It wasn't the case. Panarin's approach was rejected, no harm was done. This all stuff was made public only after woman was accused of sharing prescription drugs with other coworkers.

There's really nothing to discuss, in my opinion.

If someone does that to a junior employee, that’s a fireable offense in 99% of workplaces.

Not sure how the laws work in Canada but in the US people have the right to work in an environment free from sexual harassment.

And pushing a coworker down on a bed and kissing them (or “attempting to have intercourse” as you euphemistically phrase it) certainly qualifies as sexual harassment.

 

[3074326]

There was no quick excuse. She informed the team "about three months after."

Fun to make up "extremely possible" events from thin air though.

My ex was abducted, beaten and raped. She didn't report it for months because she was dealing with the impact of it. I wish I were making this up, but I'm not. Folks deal with shit in different ways. Try to put yourself in someone else's shoes for once instead of acting like a clown.

 

[Bocephus86]

This is thing is overblown out of proportion. There was no police appeal, no reports, no formal accusations. Short story long: they were at a party presumably drinking, he "stole" her phone, she went into his room, he approached her with an attempt to have an intercourse, she pushed him away took her phone and left.

Is it how real gentleman behaves? Most certainly not.
Is it even borderline criminal? In my opinion - not at all. People at parties tend to get carried away and sometimes something happens between coworkers. It wasn't the case. Panarin's approach was rejected, no harm was done. This all stuff was made public only after woman was accused of sharing prescription drugs with other coworkers.

There's really nothing to discuss, in my opinion.

This is the post that shows up after the lock is released? You were just so ready to post this opinion? Jesus tap-dancing Christ.

 

[Golden_Jet]

That lawsuit was flatout dismissed for not having merit, you know...?

Didn’t realize Weinstein was part of that story, until I read that, thanks for sharing.