Artemi Panarin, MSG reached settlements with Rangers employee after sexual assault allegation

[Paper]

I had to do a double take on the timeline. So this was after the Hawks and Aldrich situation and Hockey Canada's sex scandal was reported on. And the top brass for the Rangers and NHL were just like "Hey you know what would be a good idea? Covering up an alleged sexual assault!"

 

[Herregud]

I had to do a double take on the timeline. So this was after the Hawks and Aldrich situation and Hockey Canada's sex scandal was reported on. And the top brass for the Rangers and NHL were just like "Hey you know what would be a good idea? Covering up an alleged sexual assault!"

 

[MetalheadPenguinsFan]

Hope he ends up in Russia with all the other KHL human garbage.

 

[KingJoffrey]

It is easy to gather internet points and virtue signal. But if we really think this situation it paints a different picture.

What I have learned about the work enviroment that there are ties and friendships. Inside jokes, that in isolated case, the outsiders could view it totally different leanses. They could think it to totally weird and hideous, but to us in the joke it is totally natural and fine.

I don't belief for second that this was first time that Panarin and this woman had something weird going on. Normal people don't make jokes or any gestures to the people who are not in the play.

If you make just drastic of move to took someone's phone, similar incidents like that have almost certainly occured before. That won't make his behavior okey, but it change the situation.

The fact that women did not inform anyone about this incident is not a proof of anything. But it certainly suggested that she did not see it as world altering event. The fact that the whole scenario was told to the team regarding a different investigation suggest something.

I'm not defending Panarin. But I refuse to judge him as a POS based on this weird incident.

 

[ijuka]

Pretty disappointed that money can be used to just sweep your crimes under the rug. Also pretty disappointed in the Rangers organization.

 

[Maliks PlusMinus]

Will post what I said in our forum.

Didn’t we fire someone for having dinner with a player and then sent out messages about a ‘culture problem’ with people meeting outside work? (Over summer)
I can’t help but wonder about all this, team chemistry, hatred for front office etc.

We fired someone for having dinner but cover up an alleged assault…

Maybe the fear was what was being discussed over dinner and maybe trying to keep this story from certain people.

 

[BruinLVGA]

"Yeah, mr. Panarin here has clearly acted wrongly here and will be dealt with. However, it's probably best to avoid further issues, so you are demoted from your position and transferred back to office duty."

If she went there with someone else, overwhelming odds are that Panarin would have opened the door and gave her back her property and nothing would have happened. If he did what he did, it‘s because no one was there and therefore he hoped to get away with it.

 

[Fatass]

If she went there with someone else, overwhelming odds are that Panarin would have opened the door and gave her back her property and nothing would have happened. If he did what he did, it‘s because no one was there and therefore he hoped to get away with it.

What? This woman is a “no one”? It wasn’t “no one” was there. She was there. Panarin should have given her the phone without assaulting her. He shouldn’t have taken it in the first place.
Panarin is a pig.

 

[catnip]

Seems like we may have reached an impasse. He didn't do anything and she should've known he would.

 

[Statto]

Put yourself in her shoes. It is late at night after a game, everyone are back in their rooms. You are a low level employee trying not to rock the boat. Are you going and knocking on doors and explaining one of the biggest players in the franchise is being completely unacceptable or are you quietly trying to just get your phone back and telling him it is not happening and hoping he realizes he is being an idiot?

I know we have our exchanges, but I didn't expect this from you Laus. I am disappointed to read this from you.

Exactly. It’s a very different perception in the moment than when a bunch of social experts on a forum have 20/20 hindsight. It’s easy after the fact to be critical but in the moment she’s in a completely different bubble and doesn’t know the outcome in advance.

 

[Acallabeth]

People need to start accepting that this is the rule - not the exception - with high profile young men who are athletes, actors, musicians, etc. Bad behaviour is a feature, not a bug. Being treated like a god and having the means to bury trouble easily leads to bad behaviour.

Men posting here need to speak with the young women who’ve interacted with any of these guys. Doesn’t really matter who. It’s bad news. We can marvel at their talents and we can praise them for what they often do for kids. It is a majority of these guys who behave inappropriately and a large number who cross clear lines.

I have spoken to young, attractive women who've interacted with Russian celebrities. Some of them fit the stereotype of a 'spoiled star' pretty accurately (particularly young soccer and hockey players), but most aren't really interested in any interactions, and most of those who do are respectful and humble.

Maybe NA celebrities are a bit different, but I honestly believe that Zine is spot on:

The guy doesn't appear to be too bright.

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

This is thing is overblown out of proportion. There was no police appeal, no reports, no formal accusations

And time and time and time again its been shown over time that when women report this authorities usually do nothing. Often they try to second guess her recollection of events while she's retelling them, they often straight up don't believe her, and most of the time they don't follow-up. More often than you would hope, especially if you are reporting internally within a company when its a fellow employee who did something, unless it is on camera, HR doesn't open a case, asks the woman to just avoid the other person for a while, and brushes it under the carpet hoping it would go away. There have been too many cases to count where a rape swab was performed and the authorities never got around to nor cared to check it versus a database.

And this isn't just a series of 1-off situations. This happens to frequently there is an entire section of the National Institute of Health dedicated for what women should do when they realize they are not being taken seriously by police or authorities when reporting sexual assault.

So to say that this is all just a bunch of nothing because of the lack of a police report or follow-up. I mean that just shows a complete lack of awareness with what women who deal with this actually deal with.,

 

[psycat]

Mods in here right now

mods yawn.

 

[Strangle]

I feel it is different. This isn't some random guy at a bar. This is a coworker she had a good relationship with. Not just a coworker, but an incredibly famous athlete known by everyone and with a reputation for being a good guy (see the media award tweet earlier this thread).

Completely unacceptable and not fair to blame the woman in any way. "But I am saying it wasn't smart to" enough. If a woman can't trust Panarin in this situation of being in a high profile role and working with him for years, then what?

A woman shouldn’t have to act any differently than a man would in this situation. No man would have to ‘bring a friend to protect them’ and neither should a woman have to.

I am a husband and a father of 3 daughters, Panarin should have his contract voided and be banned from playing in the NHL for life.

He should also be held criminally responsible. If this happened at a business conference or in any office in the country that’s exactly what everyone would expect to happen.

 

[Cole Caulifield]

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lol

That didn't age well.... 1 day later!

 

[Strangle]

That's what the guns are for.

I wish this woman had a gun with her when Panarin tried this disgusting shit

 

[Strangle]

If another man took the phone of a woman I know and said come get this from my hotel room I tell her to bring security cause this sounds like a perv thing to do.

It’s also disgusting that no other player or member of staff stepped in to get her property back for her or go to that hotel room themselves and beat the shit out of Panarin.

Shows just how accepted this kind of behavior is in the organization.

Team ownership claiming the issue has been resolved is just more evidence of the absolute rot running through the rangers organization.

If this happened on a work trip I was on, just about every man I work with would have stepped in to stop this before it even started.

This was a business trip, a work related event.

Panarin and everyone else there are co-workers.

 

[CascadiaPuck]

Nonsense. Most men do not act this way, even when given the opportunity.

Where did I say most men? I agree that most men do not. I said most men in that position. Fame and power and a lack of consequences warp you. Again, if you ever have the chance to speak candidly with young women or the people working around these guys, you will not come away impressed.

 

[Hockeylife2018]

Hockey culture at its finest

She was paid so we good, right???

 

[Maliks PlusMinus]

It’s also disgusting that no other player or member of staff stepped in to get her property back for her or go to that hotel room themselves and beat the shit out of Panarin.

Shows just how accepted this kind of behavior is in the organization.

Team ownership claiming the issue has been resolved is just more evidence of the absolute rot running through the rangers organization.

If this happened on a work trip I was on, just about every man I work with would have stepped in to stop this before it even started.

This was a business trip, a work related event.

Panarin and everyone else there are co-workers.

This is a bizarre point. You have no idea who knew, if anyone, about what was happening or when they knew what did happen. It’s highly unlikely all the players and staff etc knew what was going on as it happened.

I for one wouldn’t be in the least bit surprised if part of the decimation of our locker room has been around this. Can’t envisage Kreider for example being anything but repulsed and fuming if this were

A) accurate
B) swept under the rug

In addition the idea that afterwards the organisation started getting upset about players and staffers talking add credence to the idea they didn’t want everybody knowing about all the details

 

[Strangle]

There's another option here besides believing the full story or not believing it based on a lack of information. That's believing that it happened, but being able to acknowledge that we don't understand what happened. The details we know are enough to say Panarin did wrong, for sure.

I can immediately think of a dozen scenarios where Panarin misunderstands his relationship with the woman (on him) and then does something while drunk that he immediately regrets (again, on him). Plenty of variations on all of that too, and none of which blame the woman for any of it. None of it excuses him for what he did, either, but it's vital context if you're going to sit in judgment of him as a human being.

He’s married and his WIFE was pregnant at the time.

We 100% can sit in judgment of him as a human being

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

This is a bizarre point. You have no idea who knew, if anyone, about what was happening or when they knew what did happen. It’s highly unlikely all the players and staff etc knew what was going on as it happened.

I for one wouldn’t be in the least bit surprised if part of the decimation of our locker room has been around this. Can’t envisage Kreider for example being anything but repulsed and fuming if this were

A) accurate
B) swept under the rug

In addition the idea that afterwards the organisation started getting upset about players and staffers talking add credence to the idea they didn’t want everybody knowing about all the details

The fact that the Rangers banned the social media department from traveling with the team shortly after this happened doesn't make things look good.

 

[Tawnos]

He’s married and his WIFE was pregnant at the time.

We 100% can sit in judgment of him as a human being

You don't know anything about his relationship with his wife (neither do I), so no... we can't.

 

[Strangle]

This is a bizarre point. You have no idea who knew, if anyone, about what was happening or when they knew what did happen. It’s highly unlikely all the players and staff etc knew what was going on as it happened.

I for one wouldn’t be in the least bit surprised if part of the decimation of our locker room has been around this. Can’t envisage Kreider for example being anything but repulsed and fuming if this were

A) accurate
B) swept under the rug

In addition the idea that afterwards the organisation started getting upset about players and staffers talking add credence to the idea they didn’t want everybody knowing about all the details

I disagree, I think it’s much more likely that dozens of coworkers out together on a business trip were absolutely aware that Panarin had taken her phone and told her to retrieve it from his hotel room later.

This is something a creep would do publicly to flex in front of his work buddies. Not something he would do sneakily when it was just the two of them off in some private corner together somewhere

 

[Maliks PlusMinus]

I disagree, I think it’s much more likely that dozens of coworkers out together on a business trip were absolutely aware that Panarin had taken her phone and told her to retrieve it from his hotel room later.

This is something a creep would do publicly to flex in front of his work buddies. Not something he would do sneakily when it was just the two of them off in some private corner together somewhere

Your argument relies on the fact his work colleagues would be happy with his flex. I wouldn’t be. You’re saying you wouldn’t be. You can’t just assume they would be and judge them for it when you have zero idea.