Artemi Panarin, MSG reached settlements with Rangers employee after sexual assault allegation

[RangerBoy]

MSG wouldn't have settled if something unsavory didn't happen, which they didn't in the Latvia allegations.

That's where the smoke is.

That doesn't tell us exactly what happened but it was something, and the court of public opinion is not the court of law. People are free to judge him.

How do you know what happened in Latvia?

 

[Deadly Dogma]

Yeah I got ya. Regardless of how I worded things just not thrilled to see all of the suggestions on what the victim should have done or how the victim did this and that wrong.

I think its a product of male psychology. We are designed to see an issue and fix it. We know that its impossible to eliminate bad people so we move onto to teach women to be safer. Thats seen as absolving men of their part but it isn't. Its just accepting the cold hard reality that bad people will always exist.

It's the same ramifications. He pinned a woman down, in his hotel room, against her will, to try and initiate sex with her. That's sexual assault.

If you are trying to say his intent may have been to seduce and not force her into sex, that doesn't matter because he already used force to pin her down. Force was used to try snd initiate sex with an unwilling participant.

I was under the impression that there were differing degrees of sexual assault. That all carry different sentences.

 

[Captain Lindy]

The Xanex stuff i think in some ways actually helps explain why she took longer to report the incident.

She has anxiety. Throw that on top of the general stigma around reporting SA/Rape/what have you and that makes reporting what is already incredibly hard to do so almost impossible.

What Xanax stuff??? What did I miss??

 

[RangerBoy]

Luring a women to your hotel room and pinning her to the bed in an attempt to seduce her is sexual assault. You mentioned bad people existing in a previous post, maybe there would be less bad people if there was better education about what is sexual assault.

A police report wasn't filed.

 

[Machinehead]

How do you know what happened in Latvia?

We don't, but I know the team didn't settle with an accuser.

They did that here and they did it for a reason.

 

[Captain Lindy]

Absolutely hilarious take considering Rangers were giving out crazy contracts to everyone back in the day(Lindros, Bure, etc). You’re saying as if this contract crippled the team with the rising cap, Rangers clearing the cap space with trades and Igor still having great analytics.

Are you one of the few who thinks that was a smart move???

Edited to add. Where did I say this contract crippled the team? It kicks in next season. No goaltender is worth that money. There was no other team wanting to sign him. It was STUPID!

 

[Deadly Dogma]

Luring a women to your hotel room and pinning her to the bed in an attempt to seduce her is sexual assault. You mentioned bad people existing in a previous post, maybe there would be less bad people if there was better education about what is sexual assault.

Jesus murphy, both are sexual assault, but there are different degrees of sexual assault no?
Is this a 3rd degree assault or 4th?

 

[saintunspecified]

I don't have anything interesting to say about the incident or what it means about Panarin as a person.

I do want to highlight this quote from Strang's article, which I think is the most significant piece of information here:

That woman left the organization in August 2024 upon reaching the agreements, which included non-disclosure and no admission of wrongdoing clauses. One settlement agreement was reached with Panarin and another was with MSG Sports. Several people in the organization were aware of the agreements and the circumstances surrounding her departure, and some of those individuals spoke to The Athletic on the condition that their identity not be disclosed because they still work in hockey.

So, this was leaked from inside the NHL offices, presumably by someone who wants the culture of the NHL to change. And the result of Strang's investigation demonstrated the impact of this culture - that people who knew about what happened (but, I assume, didn't have any role in the incident itself) fear retaliation (or blackballing) if they speak about it publicly.

One might conclude that this shows the trouble with hockey culture. I wouldn't discount that. I know that this is not MSG's first high profile scandal of this kind (imo they're like roaches - if you see a few there are lots more). I guess the lesson MSG learned was to settle before they lose at trial.

One thing that NYI fans (like me) and NYR fans typically agree on (I also grew up a Knicks fan) is that James Dolan is a sleazeball.

 

[SI90]

Panarin is never going there after the political stuff

Frolunda it is!!!!!!

 

[Mattilaus]

I think its a product of male psychology. We are designed to see an issue and fix it. We know that its impossible to eliminate bad people so we move onto to teach women to be safer. Thats seen as absolving men of their part but it isn't. Its just accepting the cold hard reality that bad people will always exist.

I was under the impression that there were differing degrees of sexual assault. That all carry different sentences.

There are but there is no difference between pinning a woman down forcefully to try and seduce her and pinning a woman down forcefully to try and initiate sex. You are pinning someone against their will to try and initiate sex either way.

 

[ViD]

MSG wouldn't have settled if something unsavory didn't happen, which they didn't in the Latvia allegations.

That's where the smoke is.

That doesn't tell us exactly what happened but it was something, and the court of public opinion is not the court of law. People are free to judge him.

I think the main issue for them was that it was another person employed by the team which is much bigger legal implications

 

[Deadly Dogma]

There are but there is no difference between pinning a woman down forcefully to try and seduce her and pinning a woman down forcefully to try and initiate sex. You are pinning someone against their will to try and initiate sex either way.

Both are horrible but 1 is a 3rd degree sexual assault and the other is a 4th degree sexual assault.
Saying its a 3rd or 4th degree assault isn't meant to absolve Panarin, its meant to get an idea of what potential legal ramifications he may see in the future.

 

[Monsieur Miz]

His wife was pregnant at the time.

Big oof.

 

[Mattilaus]

Why did she not report the incident and only mentioned after she was placed on paid leave because she shared anti-anxiety meds with a Rangers player? Three months later. If those meds were prescription meds, that's a felony in NY state. She was so traumatixed by the Panarin incident that she continued to work for the team. Stop. She got her payday.

Occams razor. The most likely reason she didn't bring it up sooner were due to the power dynamics and her fear of losing her job. This is further evidenced by her case being settled rather than straight denial from the team.

 

[Korpse]

Jesus murphy, both are sexual assault, but there are different degrees of sexual assault no?
Is this a 3rd degree assault or 4th?

Laws vary and it isn't a measure of morality. It's not a criminal case, there's no legal ramifications. Maybe better framing of the questions next time, seemed like you didn't think just pinning the victim down was sexual assault.

 

[Mattilaus]

Both are horrible but 1 is a 3rd degree sexual assault and the other is a 4th degree sexual assault.
Saying its a 3rd or 4th degree assault isn't meant to absolve Panarin, its meant to get an idea of what potential legal ramifications he may see in the future.

I do not believe this would be third degree regardless of your argument.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

Occams razor. The most likely reason she didn't bring it up sooner were due to the power dynamics and her fear of losing her job. This is further evidenced by her case being settled rather than straight denial from the team.

I'd also assume the team acted quickly with a big cheque.
I'm starting to think teams need to ditch the inspirational quotes in the dressing rooms and put up "Do you want to have sex with me?" as a f***ing mantra lol
and duh a big no means no........

 

[Deadly Dogma]

I do not believe this would be third degree regardless of your argument.

If he held her down and proceeded to touch her in sexual areas, that's a 3rd degree, 1st and 2nd need some form of penetration. a 4th degree is holding her down without groping etc.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

Laws vary and it isn't a measure of morality. It's not a criminal case, there's no legal ramifications. Maybe better framing of the questions next time, seemed like you didn't think just pinning the victim down was sexual assault.

Can she not bring charges?

 

[Zine]

How do you know what happened in Latvia?

We don't, but I know the team didn't settle with an accuser.

They did that here and they did it for a reason.

Panarin was accused by his former coach of striking a woman in a Riga bar in 2011. Apparently the police were called to the bar, but nothing came of it.
He was then summoned to meet with his team's GM (ex NHLer Alexei Zhamnov) who reportedly talked with him about how to properly conduct himself in public, He was fined. And that was the end of it.

Years later Panarin's teammates corroborated that a scuffle did occur, but said the situation was sensationalized and blown out of proportion by his former coach.

 

[saintunspecified]

A police report wasn't filed.

Think really hard what it would be like for a woman to file that kind of police report. Then consider the positive and negative consequences of filing the report from that same woman's police report.

Beyond the obvious 'There's nothing we can do' one would expect from the cops, if they actually did investigate, the most certain consequence of that would be that she loses her job, while putting colleagues she might be friends with in the position of either lying about what happened or ALSO losing their jobs. And then it might not be surprising that maybe she felt fewer qualms about doing that after she was being dismissed presumably on the word of people she thought she could trust.

You might think that's a complex story, but it's totally ordinary.

Anyone come up with any likely positive consequences of filing the report from her perspective? I couldn't.

This is why it's handy for people to have a lawyer. Want to record what happened in a timely fashion to someone who is obligated to keep it confidential without your say so while also being able to represent exactly when and how it was sent? Well, lawyers.

Btw, the woman comes across as no saint, like most people, and that has nothing to do with the incident with Panarin, but did have to do with sharing anxiety meds unless that part was totally made up. Anxiety meds that work in one pill can be pretty serious **** to be sharing around especially if combined with alcohol.

 

[Mattilaus]

If he held her down and proceeded to touch her in sexual areas, that's a 3rd degree, 1st and 2nd need some form of penetration. a 4th degree is holding her down without groping etc.

It would depend on the state but for most places the lowest degree includes sexual touching, next is intercourse or at the least rubbing you genitals on someone, then is with force or via threat, and whilst causing great bodily harm. Did they say what state it was in?

 

[Zine]

Panarin is never going there after the political stuff

????

Panarin returns home all the time. He has a yearly charity game every summer attended by loads of NHLers.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

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Panarin returns home all the time. He has a yearly charity game every summer attended by loads of NHLers.

There's a difference between day to day life there and being there 365 v visiting. He's been outspoken against the regime there and had threats to his family already.

 

[AirGut]

Well, at least now with this out in the wind for real this time it's the perfect reasoning to axe Panarin and free up $11.6M now. He only had 1 year left anyways. Time to move on.
If Glen Sather was still running the ship I doubt bullshit drama like this would be the regular in RangerLand. Management lost their mental long ago and I don't think it'll ever be restored until Drury is gone. What an awful soul-crushing 10 months as a fan. The season from HELL.

But if Chicago can move on from their drama the way they did and still land Connor f***ing Bedard, I demand Gary give the Irish kid McKenna to the New York Rangers organization NOW please and thank you.
Make it stop
Make the pain stop
this fanbase didn't even get to witness a Cup Finals
they could've had Jack f***ing Hughes
they could've had Tim f***ing Stutzle
Why, God, why?