Artemi Panarin, MSG reached settlements with Rangers employee after sexual assault allegation

[Deadly Dogma]

You know, I am willing to bet a lot of these people victim blaming here are in the Gaudreau thread (about how the defense attorney is brought a motion saying the brothers were riding bikes drunk) talking about how scummy the defense lawyer is for trying to victim blame the Gaudreaus.

victim blaming white distasteful is always an inevitable conclusion.
Bad thing happens
everyone agrees without saying it that we need to raise our boys better.
That moves to but no matter what there are bad people out there
That moves to well then we need to teach our daughters to be safer.
which to some is victim blaming.
see some are still on stage 1 and 4, where others are on stage 3

 

[Leonardo87]

Mods in here right now

 

[olli]

He’s always been one of my favourite players to watch and it seemed like he was a good guy but this confirms he’s a pos. Clearly there is a lot that is wrong with Rangers, might be time to tear it down.

 

[Washed Up 29YearOld]

There's been plenty of people on this thread victim blaming and bringing that up

oh okay gotcha thought it was directed towards my back and forth with ConfrontationalGhost.

Agreed and even if she did something wrong with the meds that's irrelevant to her being victimized.

You're not exactly expecting to get assaulted interacting with your colleagues. I think it's short-sighted to blame her, what else could she have reasonably done? This wasn't some stranger.

 

[MoneyManny]

I see all the usual suspects are out in force on this.

And I hate that this happens often enough that we have usual suspects.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

Okay seriously though, wtf?

What? are we not allowed to ask pertinent questions?

 

[Deadly Dogma]

Are you asking 'did he sexually assault the victim or did he sexually assault the victim'?

Legally, those 2 situations differ. Its a reasonable question when trying to gauge the legal rammifications

 

[Peter Griffin]

Victim blaming or playing “devils advocate” in a situation like this is such a gross look. Should she have alerted someone of the situation rather than go retrieve her phone herself, probably. Was she expecting to be assaulted by essentially her co-worker, obviously not.

 

[Booker T]

Whatever happened to the Latvia incident?

 

[njdevil26]

These comments in hindsight are getting out of hand. How about this:

The fact that he (Panarin) took a woman's phone in an attempt to lure her to his hotel room to have his way with her is wrong enough and says all you need to you know about him... a guy who had a very pregnant wife at the time this incident allegedly took place.

Poor judgement or not on the victim's part it's an incident orchestrated by Panarin who was the one with intent in this case.

 

[Zirakzigil]

What? are we not allowed to ask pertinent questions?

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Yeah i threw that in under the "hard to report" category given its the word of her against the Rangers star player essentially.

In some cases it's not just having to deal with the trauma that makes it hard to speak up, but circumstances like this as well.

Sadly, stuff like this has permeated the professional sports world (and often the collegiate sports world as well -- just look at the number of rapes by college players that were covered up, not to mention the whole Michigan State Olympics and Penn State scandals) since there were professional sports. Put powerful men and vulnerable women together and bad things will almost inevitably happen, and of course that is not confined to sports.

 

[Captain Lindy]

As a Ranger fan for too many years than I care to say....The Igor contract had me already borderline leaving this team for good.

 

[Mattilaus]

What? are we not allowed to ask pertinent questions?

You seriously can't see why that is both a f***ed up thing to ask and also why it does/shouldn't matter?

Oh well he only pinned her down in his hotel room to try and seduce her against her will? Well, everything is fine then. Wheeew it's not like he pinned her down in his hotel room against her will to try and initiate sex with her or anything.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

These comments in hindsight are getting out of hand. How about this:

The fact that he (Panarin) took a woman's phone in an attempt to lure her to his hotel room to have his way with her is wrong enough and says all you need to you know about him... a guy who had a very pregnant wife at the time this incident allegedly took place.

Poor judgement or not on the victim's part it's an incident orchestrated by Panarin who was the one with intent in this case.

I haven't seen anyone saying Panarin isn't a total scumbag and the bad guy here. I thought that was just an established fact at this point in the thread.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

You seriously can't see why that is both a f***ed up thing to ask and also why it does/shouldn't matter?

Oh well he only pinned her down in his hotel room to try and seduce her against her will? Well, everything is fine then. Wheeew it's not like he pinned her down in his hotel room against her will to try and initiate sex with her or anything.

So you took my question as somehow trying to minimize the event?
Dude, I was asking to get an idea of the legal ramifications

 

[ViD]

He’s always been one of my favourite players to watch and it seemed like he was a good guy but this confirms he’s a pos. Clearly there is a lot that is wrong with Rangers, might be time to tear it down.

Confirms? You were in that room or you’ve seen all of the details on this case?

 

[njdevil26]

I haven't seen anyone saying Panarin isn't a total scumbag and the bad guy here. I thought that was just an established fact at this point in the thread.

Yeah I got ya. Regardless of how I worded things just not thrilled to see all of the suggestions on what the victim should have done or how the victim did this and that wrong.

 

[BurntToast]

Hockey culture as a whole is toxic and decades behind the curve. They now have multiple cover-up’s of assaults to allowing discrimination and recreation drug use. All while crying over pride tape.

 

[Mattilaus]

So you took my question as somehow trying to minimize the event?
Dude, I was asking to get an idea of the legal ramifications

It's the same ramifications. He pinned a woman down, in his hotel room, against her will, to try and initiate sex with her. That's sexual assault.

If you are trying to say his intent may have been to seduce and not force her into sex, that doesn't matter because he already used force to pin her down. Force was used to try snd initiate sex with an unwilling participant.

 

[Machinehead]

Whatever happened to the Latvia incident?

Everyone pretty much agreed at the time that the evidence just wasn't there, but in light of this, it makes you reconsider it.

 

[ViD]

As a Ranger fan for too many years than I care to say....The Igor contract had me already borderline leaving this team for good.

Absolutely hilarious take considering Rangers were giving out crazy contracts to everyone back in the day(Lindros, Bure, etc). You’re saying as if this contract crippled the team with the rising cap, Rangers clearing the cap space with trades and Igor still having great analytics.

 

[Korpse]

Legally, those 2 situations differ. Its a reasonable question when trying to gauge the legal rammifications

Luring a women to your hotel room and pinning her to the bed in an attempt to seduce her is sexual assault. You mentioned bad people existing in a previous post, maybe there would be less bad people if there was better education about what is sexual assault.

 

[Machinehead]

Confirms? You were in that room or you’ve seen all of the details on this case?

MSG wouldn't have settled if something unsavory didn't happen, which they didn't in the Latvia allegations.

That's where the smoke is.

That doesn't tell us exactly what happened but it was something, and the court of public opinion is not the court of law. People are free to judge him.

 

[RangerBoy]

Victim blaming or playing “devils advocate” in a situation like this is such a gross look. Should she have alerted someone of the situation rather than go retrieve her phone herself, probably. Was she expecting to be assaulted by essentially her co-worker, obviously not.

Why did she not report the incident and only mentioned after she was placed on paid leave because she shared anti-anxiety meds with a Rangers player? Three months later. If those meds were prescription meds, that's a felony in NY state. She was so traumatixed by the Panarin incident that she continued to work for the team. Stop. She got her payday.