Artemi Panarin, MSG reached settlements with Rangers employee after sexual assault allegation

[FriendlyGhost92]

Well imagine the person who took the phone is probably acting playful rather than menacing while doing it, and also is the star employee of your workplace. Imagine you do call for hotel security or ask someone to come with you to the room and then you get complaints for giving Artemi a hard time, he was just kidding around, why are you causing a distraction for the team, etc. Now it's a career problem

Does it not seem unreasonable that going to the room and saying no is the least troublesome way to get your phone back? These are the calculations people have to make. It's likely the thought of assault did occur to her and was dismissed because it's Artemi f***ing Panarin and she was an employee of the Rangers who traveled with the team

Playful would be giving it back. Keeping it and making her come up to your room to get it is not playful.

Like, this is common f***ing sense. This was not a playful prank and is not interpretable as such.

 

[Zeeker]

As a father of 3 daughters I couldn’t imagine sharing the ice with him. He better keep his head up paying against girl dads.

That’s an optimistic viewpoint, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the “boys will be boys” culture in the NHL doesn’t lead to largely indifference from other players

 

[Takeahnase]

Call me crazy or worse, but I am going to reserve judgment. Because I don’t know what happened.

 

[MoneyManny]

True. I'm never skeptical of somebody who steals my phone to lure me back into their hotel room.

What are you going to ever accomplish in life if you always avoid every single situation that hints at something potentially bad happening?

There was probably smaller real life odds of anything happening to her in this situation than getting hurt while driving her car to work in the morning.

Guy was clearly inviting her in his room for sex, but it could easily just be him being playful and not him being a maniac to a co worker.

 

[kingsholygrail]

What a dirt bag.
Why wouldn’t he have been charged with assault?

Lack of evidence most likely.

 

[Korpse]

Reminder, Shane Pinto got a 41 game suspension for letting a friend log into an account to make a sports bet for him.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

What are you going to ever accomplish in life if you always avoid every single situation that hints at something potentially bad happening?

There was probably smaller real life odds of anything happening to her in this situation than getting hurt while driving her car to work in the morning.

Guy was clearly inviting her in his room for sex, but it could easily just be him being playful and not him being a maniac to a co worker.

You appear to have answered your own question here.

There's a pretty clear difference having your guard up for every single one in a million chance of something bad happening and having your guard up for something that was very clearly a solicitation for sex.

 

[Monk]

Playful would be giving it back. Keeping it and making her come up to your room to get it is not playful.

Like, this is common f***ing sense. This was not a playful prank and is not interpretable as such.

So who did the wrong thing here again?

 

[Deadly Dogma]

To be fair, you can't expect people to think of every possible outcome to every possible situation in real time 24/7. It's easy to criticise with hindisight but people don't have all-seeing-eyes.

Teach your daughters how to defend themselves, not how to navigate life scared of everything.

Whats funny is teach your daughters to defend themselves is stage 2, stage 1 is accepting that there are bad people out there.
So it becomes this odd argument where both sides agree that there are bad people out there, 1 side moves onto the most obvious and impactful option, the other is still arguing stage 1.
So someone says, she could have been better situationally aware, then someone says that's victim blaming.
So in saying she could have been more situationally aware, you are already assuming the crux of the person claiming victim blaming's argument to be true. The base theme is that there are bad people out there.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

So who did the wrong thing here again?

Panarin. See? I can call out who was in the wrong and still say that going up to his room alone when he was clearly going for sex was not a smart move.

You can do both. I have. You'll get there one day.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Reminder, Shane Pinto got a 41 game suspension for letting a friend log into an account to make a sports bet for him.

Yeah, but that's Ottawa. They got punished because Vegas didn't ask about a player's no-trade list.

New York will probably be gifted 1st overall like Chicago.

 

[Monk]

Panarin.

Cool just making sure.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Cool just making sure.

This was clear from the start. You're the one getting your jimmies all rustled because people are pointing out that not so smart decisions preceded an act that the victim didn't deserve.

 

[Breakers]

What does the poly market have the odds of JT Miller Fighting James Dolan or Panarin ?

It’s got to be high with the dysfunction

 

[Satans Hockey]

"On Wednesday, the Rangers announced Panarin was named the team’s MVP for the 2024-25 season."

Guess MVP stands for most valuable predator.

 

[Monk]

This was clear from the start. You're the one getting your jimmies all rustled because people are pointing out that not so smart decisions preceded an act that the victim didn't deserve.

I guess I'm just unclear on the utility of pointing that out. It's often true that not-so-smart decisions precede bad things. It doesn't really change anything does it?

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I guess I'm just unclear on the utility of pointing that out. It's often true that not-so-smart decisions precede bad things. It doesn't really change anything does it?

It's pretty important and beneficial to learn from. You'll get over it.

 

[Monk]

It's pretty important and beneficial to learn from. You'll get over it.

Oh well in that case, thank you for your service. Next time Artemi steals my phone I'll know exactly what to do.

 

[jalapenoWithAnH]

While I'm not a fan of how Strang interprets certain stories, do you have any examples of her making up or lying about details? That's a pretty bold accusation there, not one I'm used to seeing about that individual.

Well you know, this whole story is a bold accusation in a sense that from our pov it's just that: an accusation. We don't know what really happened. In the same vein I could ask do you have any examples of Panarin doing similar stuff?

Accusation doesn't equal 100% guilty and so far we have only her side of the story. So people should think twice about jumping on the "he is disgusting, throw him out of the team" -train because you are essentially just reacting to an accusation.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

Sounds like the KHL just got another star.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Trying to rape someone and then the Rangers covering it up is crazy

 

[SI90]

That’s an optimistic viewpoint, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the “boys will be boys” culture in the NHL doesn’t lead to largely indifference from other players

Largely maybe, but could you see a Guy like Matt Martin with 2 daughters being ok with Panarin? I can’t.

 

[Jared Grayden]

Very well could have been in a playful non-sexual manner. But taking the phone up to his room and telling her to come up to it even in that context is still very stupid optics.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

I'm only on the first page and unsure if I want to read further, but... Does the "I'm not blaming her but she should've" crowd realise that you're basically saying that men are scum and women should expect to be assaulted whenever they're alone with one? Is it really such a forgone conclusion that bad things will happen when there's a man around? Is that how you conduct yourselves in real life and that's why you think it's a reasonable expectation?

I mean, I guess I could start pre-emptively pepperspraying my male colleagues whenever I step into our break room but I think that would be frowned upon.

Exactly.

People can't seem to connect the dots how that it is accepting rape and sexual assault as an inevitability and putting the majority of the responsibility on women to prevent it.

It also ignores the amount of bullshit like this ("I got your phone! come get it!") that women have to put up with on a daily basis that is creepy and annoying but does not lead to a sexual assault.

 

[mm11]

if true prob a large suspension or ban from NHL?