Artemi Panarin, MSG reached settlements with Rangers employee after sexual assault allegation

[FriendlyGhost92]

Sure, but even then, no reasonable person should expect to end up being pinned down on a bed in that situation.

Stole her phone to bait her to his room for sex...

Yes. You should absolutely expect anything and not go alone.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I feel it is different. This isn't some random guy at a bar. This is a coworker she had a good relationship with. Not just a coworker, but an incredibly famous athlete known by everyone and with a reputation for being a good guy (see the media award tweet earlier this thread).

Completely unacceptable and not fair to blame the woman in any way. "But I am saying it wasn't smart to" enough. If a woman can't trust Panarin in this situation of being in a high profile role and working with him for years, then what?

You are correct

Embarrassing posts from some in here, and they seem to be the usual suspects every time something like this comes up

 

[1989]

Think in general we are missing a lot of information to what happened.

It's always the case.

The court of public opinion doesn't have a strict or rigorous process for entering or discovering evidence... Not does it have a fair and just trial... Or reliable witnesses... Or strong advocates... Or a judge... But it's the oldest one we have at hand, I guess!

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Disappointing as a Panarin fan, I wouldn't want him on my team. I'm glad she was able to get the hell out of there.

 

[dshea19]

It is the very definition of victim blaming. I’m sorry but I’m not going to tell my daughter « All men are pigs. Whether you know the person or not, do not expect to be able to turn down sexual advances without ending up being pinned down on a bed. »

Does that piece of advice seem logical to you?

Do you lock your doors at night? By doing so, are you saying all people are criminals? If you want to be consistent with your premise, stop locking your doors at night.

It is not victim blaming in the slightest. Saying someone lacks wisdom is not pointing out a moral flaw. It is showing that they could have taken steps to protect themselves. Someone taking a phone and saying that they have to come to their hotel room to get it back... super sketchy. She should have been on alert immediately. Doesn't make her less of a victim, but it shows how she could have avoided the problem entirely. Someone getting into a car with a drunk driver is a wild lack of wisdom. They wouldn't be more deserving of any injuries or death that might occur. They should've been wiser and stayed away from the car.

 

[Wierzbowski426]

Yikes.

 

[BonMorrison]

I get the sentiment, but this is the hotel version of the free candy van

It really isn't lol - the article says she was frequently with the team and were co-workers so there were established relationships and presumable boundaries already in place that would make her want to trust said co-workers. I'm assuming we have co-workers we've seen frequently that we trust.

 

[Donny 77]

Welp. Any talk of bringing in Quenneville to replace Laviollette on NYRHFB just came to a screeching halt.

That would be a PR disaster after this.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

It really isn't lol - the article says she was frequently with the team and were co-workers so there were established relationships and presumable boundaries already in place that would make her want to trust said co-workers. I'm assuming we have co-workers we've seen frequently that we trust.

Trust ended when he took her phone as collateral to come to his room for sex.

 

[phrenssoa]

Stole her phone to bait her to his room for sex...

Yes. You should absolutely expect anything and not go alone.

You have no idea what their relationship was like and how comfortable she was around him. Let’s not blame the victim here. He obviously betrayed her trust in the worst kind of way and paid for it. End of story.

 

[britdevil]

What a pig. f*** Panarin.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

You have no idea what their relationship was like and how comfortable she was around him. Let’s not blame the victim here. He obviously betrayed her trust in the worst kind of way and paid for it. End of story.

Hi everybody. If everything is true here, it's not the victim's fault and Panarin is a POS.

... You can also point out some not so smart things that were done by the victim and use them as a learning experience for you and/or the people you love. And it doesn't make you a POS.

 

[SomeDude]

Will the Pens winning McKenna with the Rags pick be the biggest face turn in HF history?

 

[Deadly Dogma]

It really isn't lol - the article says she was frequently with the team and were co-workers so there were established relationships and presumable boundaries already in place that would make her want to trust said co-workers. I'm assuming we have co-workers we've seen frequently that we trust.

All that being the same sure but I assume he didn't randomly steal her phone. There had to be flirting and such.
Now that's not to say Panarin isn't in the wrong here. We all know this. What we're debating is what level of spidey sense should have been going off in her mind?

 

[Laus723]

Okay, how about if you didn’t have a wife that was in contact with your female friends?

Panarin is known as a good natured guy. Perhaps he’s played 20 stupid pranks on this woman before. None of which resulted in assault.

But of course this is just more conjecture on information we don’t have. And of course you seemingly have all the information you need to judge the woman’s actions already.

Seriously, you’re just overinflating your own knowledge. To the point where it’s just automatic and “common sense” in your mind. It’s this exact mentality that allows propaganda to flourish. Along, of course, with victim blaming.

No, the issue is that I see the abuse of trust starting with the holding of the phone for ransom, where others see it as starting when she got assaulted.

I'm not blaming her and I don't think others are either, I'm taking this a lesson for others when I'm making my posts, I'm not sure why that's difficult.

 

[LeonDraisaitl]

My god does the rangers lockerroom and front office sound like an absolute cesspool of toxicity. All the players complaining and now this, how does MSG going for a quiet settlement sit with the rest of the female arena staff

 

[tfwnogf]

Not only is that disgusting, it's also really pathetic. What a loser.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Astounding no one stepped in as it happened. This should have been made public long ago. Even if others perceived it to be a joke... just an odd/creepy at best action for the player to take take let alone his actual intentions. This should be legacy ruining for Panarin if true.

 

[TGWL]

Feels like some holes in this story and a little odd that there was no police, and only brought to attention after the employee was canned for sharing prescription medicine. But if Panarin did this, F him and everyone who thinks sexual assault is a joke.

 

[Laus723]

your anecdotal made-up situation is in no way comparable. its a power issue.

You do realize that was a response to an actual made up situation and what my actual wife would actually do in that person's made up situation should applied to me. Can't think of any woman, in said guy's made up scenario, who'd be at all ok with their husbands taking a female friend's phone and saying they have to come to their house to retrieve it.

 

[pooch]

Why does it always turn into the same crap?
Saying she should have been taught to see potential dangerous situations better is not defending Panarin's actions.
Its always the same virtue signaling shit. Well you don't scream louder than me that this is the worst thing ever, so that makes me the better person!!!!

This sums it up pretty well.

 

[phrenssoa]

Do you lock your doors at night? By doing so, are you saying all people are criminals? If you want to be consistent with your premise, stop locking your doors at night.

It is not victim blaming in the slightest. Saying someone lacks wisdom is not pointing out a moral flaw. It is showing that they could have taken steps to protect themselves. Someone taking a phone and saying that they have to come to their hotel room to get it back... super sketchy. She should have been on alert immediately. Doesn't make her less of a victim, but it shows how she could have avoided the problem entirely. Someone getting into a car with a drunk driver is a wild lack of wisdom. They wouldn't be more deserving of any injuries or death that might occur. They should've been wiser and stayed away from the car.

This is not a « stranger danger » type of situation. She obviously trusted Panarin to an extent, and he betrayed her trust in the worst kind of way. End of story. You have no idea what their relationship was like and how comfortable she was around him, so let’s not blame the victim here. That is what you are doing.

 

[Fledgemyhedge]

So what now? we go on pretending nothing happened and he finishes out his career consequence free?

 

[sabremike]

Live look at Sabres fans celebrating the fact our organization is no longer the biggest dumpster fire in the sport:

 

[pooch]

Live look at Sabres fans celebrating the fact our organization is no longer the biggest dumpster fire in the sport:

Please win in regulation tonight.