Artemi Panarin, MSG reached settlements with Rangers employee after sexual assault allegation

[Deadly Dogma]

What f***ing intentions do you ever think a man would have taking a woman's property and then telling her to come get it from his hotel room?!

Are you shitting me?! You're not really that dense. You can't be.

Hint: He wasn't offering for her to come play Checkers...

He obviously wanted to show her some of the moves he saw on UFC

 

[phrenssoa]

It's not about blame, it is doing the smart thing to avoid issues like this. It isn't her fault, but it was definitely a suspicious situation. The wise thing to do was get a friend go together. Should she have to do that? No. Do we live in a fairytale world? No. Should people be attacked walking down the street at 3 AM in a sketchy neighborhood? Nope. Is it wise to do so? Nope. There is ideal and then there is reality. The wise thing to do is protect yourself in the event someone turns out to be a dirtbag. It isn't victim blaming. It is pointing out their lack of wisdom and how they could have avoided the danger to begin with. Panarin can be a scumbag and she could be foolish at the same time. Both things can be true.

It is the very definition of victim blaming. I’m sorry but I’m not going to tell my daughter « All men are pigs. Whether you know the person or not, do not expect to be able to turn down sexual advances without ending up being pinned down on a bed. »

Does that piece of advice seem logical to you?

 

[Acallabeth]

He obviously wanted to show her some of the moves he saw on UFC

Damn, you beat me.

 

[Laus723]

Put yourself in her shoes. It is late at night after a game, everyone are back in their rooms. You are a low level employee trying not to rock the boat. Are you going and knocking on doors and explaining one of the biggest players in the franchise is being completely unacceptable or are you quietly trying to just get your phone back and telling him it is not happening and hoping he realizes he is being an idiot?

I know we have our exchanges, but I didn't expect this from you Laus. I am disappointed to read this from you.

There's nothing to be disappointed in, it appears it was taken AT a party where at least a dozen other players were as well as staff. There were a number of other ways to get it back, and saying that I hope my loved one is wise enough to be aware that you're putting yourself in a vulnerable spot isn't a knock on this woman, at all. There was clearly trust there that was abused, my point is that there's a lesson here and it can be made without pointing a finger, I'm not sure why that's hard to grasp.

We have our exchanges but would probably very much enjoy a game together, I do appreciate your passion.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

It is the very definition of victim blaming. I’m sorry but I’m not going to tell my daughter « All men are pigs. Whether you know the person or not, do not expect to be able to turn down sexual advances without ending up being pinned down on a bed. »

Does that piece of advice seem logical to you?

There's a significant difference between teaching your daughter all men are pigs and teaching your daughter not to go to a man's hotel room late at night by yourself expecting that he didn't bait you there for one reason and one reason only.

 

[1989]

What f***ing intentions do you ever think a man would have taking a woman's property and then telling her to come get it from his hotel room?!

Are you shitting me?! You're not really that dense. You can't be.

Hint: He wasn't offering for her to come play Checkers...

You, nor anyone else here have any specific idea of the nature of their work relationship. Maybe they pranked each other regularly - and if so, this might not have seemed like out of the ordinary behaviour. If that was true, then it's even a bigger abuse of the trust they had together as professionals. But, I'm just speculating.

Anyways there's more than enough speculation floating around in this thread, by men who don't understand social power dynamics. Would love to know more women's takes because it's actually relevant, but understand if they don't want to get into it either.

Props to the female employee for speaking up at all and (I assume) having some internal support enough for her claim not to be immediately swept under the rug by management or ownership. Maybe the Rangers have some redeemable qualities somewhere as an organization.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

Damn, you beat me.

I wonder what was said, on the surface it seems more like physical assault that would have turned sexual but it never got to that point.

 

[I Hate Philadelphia]

Young players have their entire careers ruined before they start for sketchy stuff they did as a 15 year old, yet people are defending THIS?? Nothing makes sense anymore.

 

[StickShift]

Wonder if they just buy-him out this off-season. Not sure you can keep him on the roster with this out there without tarnishing your brand.

Would save them half a million in cap next year and only cost them $333k for one season to follow. I don't think they'll be able to terminate the contract.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Appears that way. I know people who've put themselves in similar situations and something similar happened while they were in college, it's a hard lesson to learn. And a sad one.

there are NO "similar situations" with sexual assault you absolute ghoul. It is NEVER about the situation. It is about the person who f***ing sexual assaults someone else, NOT the situation.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Young players have their entire careers ruined before they start for sketchy stuff they did as a 15 year old, yet people are defending THIS?? Nothing makes sense anymore.

People are defending this?

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Wow so now we have posters (coincidentally the ones pointing to what the woman should have done differently) straight up making jokes about the situation.

This is one depressing thread.

 

[bwanajamba]

Hi everybody. If everything is true here, it's not the victim's fault and Panarin is a POS.

... You can also point out some not so smart things that were done by the victim and use them as a learning experience for you and/or the people you love. And it doesn't make you a POS.

You can have serious talks with loved ones about dangerous situations they may find themselves in without being a POS. That is not the same as anonymously reacting to a news story like this within minutes to speculate on what the victim "should" have done

Far too often the first reaction is to think of ways the victim could have prevented what happened to them. Underlying that mentality is an implied permission for people with power to continue abusive behavior because it is the job of everyone else to develop strategies for avoiding it. That's bullshit. You can recognize that abusive people exist in the world and act accordingly without finding fault in victims for the crime of not properly evading their abuse

 

[Laus723]

there are NO "similar situations" with sexual assault you absolute ghoul. It is NEVER about the situation. It is about the person who f***ing sexual assaults someone else, NOT the situation.

You new to planet earth? The situation is...she went up to his room, as did my friend. Something similar happened. Get off your soap box.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

You new to planet earth? The situation is...she went up to his room, as did my friend. Something similar happened. Get off your soap box.

so going up to someone's room = you MIGHT get sexually assaulted?

what is WRONG with you?

 

[Deadly Dogma]

block me

sick of people like you

Whats a people like me?

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

so going up to someone's room = you MIGHT get sexually assaulted?

what is WRONG with you?

If you don't think a man taking a woman's phone and then telling her "Come get it from my room later" signals what he's going for, there's something wrong with you.

Specifically in the common sense department...

 

[phrenssoa]

There's a significant difference between teaching your daughter all men are pigs and teaching your daughter not to go to a man's hotel room late at night by yourself expecting that he didn't bait you there for one reason and one reason only.

We are talking about someone she knew and trusted to an extent. This is not a « stranger danger » type of situation. I’m sure she expected to be able to reject Panarin’s sexual advances and walk away with her phone. No reasonable person should expect to be pinned down on a bed by a high-profile work colleague in that situation.

 

[I Hate Philadelphia]

People are defending this?

Have you not been reading the thread at all?

 

[bwanajamba]

What f***ing intentions do you ever think a man would have taking a woman's property and then telling her to come get it from his hotel room?!

Are you shitting me?! You're not really that dense. You can't be.

Hint: He wasn't offering for her to come play Checkers...

Very probably she thought he had sexual intentions but didn't think he would outright forcibly pin her to his bed. That does not imply she is dense or that she did something wrong

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

We are talking about someone she knew and trusted to an extent. This is not a « stranger danger » type of situation. I’m sure she expected to be able to reject Panarin’s sexual advances and walk away with her phone. No reasonable person should expect to be pinned down on a bed by a high-profile work colleague in that situation.

No reasonable person should expect to have their phone stolen by a co-worker as collateral to come to his room for sex.

That's where the sirens should've started going off.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Have you not been reading the thread at all?

Have you? Who specifically defended Panarin here?

Not one single person. Try again.

 

[hangman005]

CUT THE PERSONAL JABS OR EXPECT A MESSAGE FROM TROLL STOMPER

 

[Deadly Dogma]

Have you not been reading the thread at all?

Why does it always turn into the same crap?
Saying she should have been taught to see potential dangerous situations better is not defending Panarin's actions.
Its always the same virtue signaling shit. Well you don't scream louder than me that this is the worst thing ever, so that makes me the better person!!!!

 

[Idiot Stick]

Have you? Who specifically defended Panarin here?

Not one single person. Try again.

Just say "This is horrible" and move on
typing anything else gets way overblown here