Artemi Panarin, MSG reached settlements with Rangers employee after sexual assault allegation

[HockeyVirus]

Hi everybody. If everything is true here, it's not the victim's fault and Panarin is a POS.

... You can also point out some not so smart things that were done by the victim and use them as a learning experience for you and/or the people you love. And it doesn't make you a POS.

I feel it is different. This isn't some random guy at a bar. This is a coworker she had a good relationship with. Not just a coworker, but an incredibly famous athlete known by everyone and with a reputation for being a good guy (see the media award tweet earlier this thread).

Completely unacceptable and not fair to blame the woman in any way. "But I am saying it wasn't smart to" enough. If a woman can't trust Panarin in this situation of being in a high profile role and working with him for years, then what?

 

[Deadly Dogma]

On a positive note, it didn't go as bad as it could have.
This is a way too forceful attempt and crosses huge lines but for his and her sake I'm happy it didn't go further.

 

[LOFIN]

I feel it is different. This isn't some random guy at a bar. This is a coworker she had a good relationship with. Not just a coworker, but an incredibly famous athlete known by everyone and with a reputation for being a good guy (see the media award tweet earlier this thread).

Completely unacceptable and not fair to blame the woman in any way. "But I am saying it wasn't smart to" enough. If a woman can't trust Panarin in this situation of being in a high profile role and working with him for years, then what?

And she probably knew that something could happen. Normal people don't take your property and make you retrieve it from their room just to see you run around for fun. But she was a team/network employee, and Panarin is a superstar player. What is she supposed to do, not to compromise her job?

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I feel it is different. This isn't some random guy at a bar. This is a coworker she had a good relationship with. Not just a coworker, but an incredibly famous athlete known by everyone and with a reputation for being a good guy (see the media award tweet earlier this thread).

Completely unacceptable and not fair to blame the woman in any way. "But I am saying it wasn't smart to" enough. If a woman can't trust Panarin in this situation of being in a high profile role and working with him for years, then what?

Yeah because you’re locking your doors to protect yourself from strangers.

Stranger or no, I would think a man taking a woman's phone and telling her to come get it from his hotel room should be sending up a million red flags as to what his intentions were...

 

[Il Stugotz]

I don't expect to get burglarized, but I still lock my door.

Why didn't you have bars on your windows? Glass breaks so easily.
And your door wasn't reinforced?! They kicked it in so easily.

 

[LOFIN]

Stranger or no, I would think a man taking a woman's phone and telling her to come get it from his hotel room should be sending up a million red flags as to what his intentions were...

And I bet she realized it. What was she supposed to do, not to blow this issue up and possibly costing her job?

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Why didn't you have bars on your windows? Glass breaks so easily.
And your door wasn't reinforced?! They kicked it in so easily.

That's what the guns are for.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

My parents to a fault always drilled in me to go into things taking the worst outcomes into consideration

Yup “to a fault”. Some people don’t do that, because it is to a fault. Being constantly fearful or expecting the worst is a burden. Sure, maybe it “helps” you when you come upon an actual worst case scenario like this, but the idea that when that happens, all who have been victimized should learn some type of lesson for it is ridiculous.

She was assaulted by someone she knew and trusted at least to a certain extent. The idea of finding any fault with her because she doesn’t adopt the mindset of “always playing it safe” and “expecting the worst” is beyond ignorant to the situation.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Yup “to a fault”. Some people don’t do that, because it is to a fault. Being constantly fearful or expecting the worst is a burden.

She was assaulted by someone she knew and trusted at least to a certain extent. The idea of finding any fault with her because she doesn’t adopt the mindset of “always playing it safe” and “expecting the worst” is beyond ignorant to the situation.

There's a difference between being fearful and being prepared.

 

[ThaDevilGirl]

Not saying I blame her in anyway if this is true but she should have brought somebody with her to get the phone

Only took 4 replies. Great.

 

[HockeyVirus]

And she probably knew that something could happen. Normal people don't take your property and make you retrieve it from their room just to see you run around for fun. But she was a team/network employee, and Panarin is a superstar player. What is she supposed to do, not to compromise her job?

Just speechless at this point. I would hope my daughter knew to protect herself sure, but I don't fault her for assuming a HIGH PROFILE ATHLETE WITH ONE OF THE BIGGEST NHL TEAMS EVER THAT SHE WORKS WITH isn't going to sexually assault her like that. Especially this was not at his house this was at the team hotel.

 

[Voight]

A James Dolan special.

 

[1specter]

Wow

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

There's a difference between being fearful and being prepared.

Oh my God dude.

Goodbye.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Oh my God dude.

Goodbye.

Yeah, sorry you got offended with logic.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Yeah, sorry you got offended with logic.

Hindsight bias. You know now his intentions were bad because of the incident that occurred. Could have appeared as a silly joke up until then. There’s your logic.

She trusted him and she got assaulted by him. It’s on him. Obviously.

For real now. Goodbye.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Not sure why you're so angry with the suggestion, I'll be showing this to my daughter and wife and will be saying...bring someone with you if this happens or alert senior staff. "You're only getting it back from me if you come to my room" is incredibly dubious and I hope they'd be smart enough not to go...that said, she either mistook, didn't think much of, or pushed aside what that comment could mean and was shocked. No one blamed her, this is on Panarin for abusing her trust.

Some of these people would get mad that you tell your kids about stranger danger.

"Well they shouldn't have to worry about pedophiles!"

 

[phrenssoa]

And she probably knew that something could happen. Normal people don't take your property and make you retrieve it from their room just to see you run around for fun. But she was a team/network employee, and Panarin is a superstar player. What is she supposed to do, not to compromise her job?

Again, we are talking about Artemi Panarin, whom she worked with and who has a very solid reputation. Even if she figured he wanted to sleep with her, she probably thought she could simply reject his advances and walk away with her phone. I don’t think any reasonable person should expect to end up being pinned down on a bed in that situation. These two were not strangers to one another.

 

[dshea19]

"Not saying I blame her in anyway but...."

*proceeds to blame her

It's not about blame, it is doing the smart thing to avoid issues like this. It isn't her fault, but it was definitely a suspicious situation. The wise thing to do was get a friend go together. Should she have to do that? No. Do we live in a fairytale world? No. Should people be attacked walking down the street at 3 AM in a sketchy neighborhood? Nope. Is it wise to do so? Nope. There is ideal and then there is reality. The wise thing to do is protect yourself in the event someone turns out to be a dirtbag. It isn't victim blaming. It is pointing out their lack of wisdom and how they could have avoided the danger to begin with. Panarin can be a scumbag and she could be foolish at the same time. Both things can be true.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Hindsight bias. You know now his intentions were bad because of the incident that occurred. Could have appeared as a silly joke up until then. There’s your logic.

She trusted him and she got assaulted by him. It’s on him. Obviously.

For real now. Goodbye.

What f***ing intentions do you ever think a man would have taking a woman's property and then telling her to come get it from his hotel room?!

Are you shitting me?! You're not really that dense. You can't be.

Hint: He wasn't offering for her to come play Checkers...

 

[SteelCityCannon]

My teams entire history is disfunction and even I'm cringing at the Rangers right now.

 

[Laus723]

Some of these people would get mad that you tell your kids about stranger danger.

"Well they shouldn't have to worry about pedophiles!"

Appears that way. I know people who've put themselves in similar situations and something similar happened while they were in college, it's a hard lesson to learn. And a sad one.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Not sure why you're so angry with the suggestion, I'll be showing this to my daughter and wife and will be saying...bring someone with you if this happens or alert senior staff. "You're only getting it back from me if you come to my room" is incredibly dubious and I hope they'd be smart enough not to go...that said, she either mistook, didn't think much of, or pushed aside what that comment could mean and was shocked. No one blamed her, this is on Panarin for abusing her trust.

Put yourself in her shoes. It is late at night after a game, everyone are back in their rooms. You are a low level employee trying not to rock the boat. Are you going and knocking on doors and explaining one of the biggest players in the franchise is being completely unacceptable or are you quietly trying to just get your phone back and telling him it is not happening and hoping he realizes he is being an idiot?

I know we have our exchanges, but I didn't expect this from you Laus. I am disappointed to read this from you.

 

[Jacob]

Hindsight bias. You know now his intentions were bad because of the incident that occurred. Could have appeared as a silly joke up until then. There’s your logic.

She trusted him and she got assaulted by him. It’s on him. Obviously.

For real now. Goodbye.

I would've assumed my very famous athlete co-worker was just playing a prank, not trying to rape me.

 

[LOFIN]

Again, we are talking about Artemi Panarin, whom she worked with and who has a very solid reputation. Even if she figured he wanted to sleep with her, she probably thought she could simply reject his advances and walk away with her phone. I don’t think any reasonable person should expect to end up being pinned down on a bed in that situation. These two were not strangers to one another.

I don't disagree at all. I feel like you (and maybe @HockeyVirus) misinterpreted my post.

What I'm saying is this, maybe she did realize Panarin was up to something, but there was nothing she could realistically do. Some people here say she should bring company with her, alert senior staff and whatnot. For what, blow this issue up, and possibly cause her to lose her job for making an issue out of it? Because you know what is going to happen if there is an issue between a simple team/network emploee and a superstar player. The former loses their job, not the latter.

And like you said, she obviously didn't think Panarin was really going to do anything outrageous in the situation. Not with his status, not with them knowing eachother.