Around the NHL : We're off to the, uh, off-season

[TGWL]

Do people really think this iteration of Babcock is going to do the crazy shit that got him in trouble again? Are people not allowed to serve their time and then get on with their lives?

How did he serve his time? How long has he been a coach? How long has he been considered a jerk? Forced time out for a few years while you golf like nothing happened is not serving your time and feeling remorseful for what you did.

 

[haohmaru]

How did he serve his time? How long has he been a coach? How long has he been considered a jerk? Forced time out for a few years while you golf like nothing happened is not serving your time and feeling remorseful for what you did.

He hasn't been able to work for 3 years and being a jerk doesn't matter - there are plenty of jerks who have jobs.

If he gets paid, let's say, 2.5 Million a year (Sullivan gets paid 6.5M/Year so this is REALLY low) that means he lost 7.5M in income. I'd say that's pretty significant.

 

[TGWL]

He hasn't been able to work for 3 years and being a jerk doesn't matter - there are plenty of jerks who have jobs.

If he gets paid, let's say, 2.5 Million a year (Sullivan gets paid 6.5M/Year so this is REALLY low) that means he lost 7.5M in income. I'd say that's pretty significant.

That's not serving your time and getting on with life, where you should get the benefit of doubt when coming back. Again, that's just forced time off where you lost pay, which I'm not arguing that the pay loss is significant. But nothing here changed the perception of him.

 

[haohmaru]

That's not serving your time and getting on with life, where you should get the benefit of doubt when coming back. Again, that's just forced time off where you lost pay, which I'm not arguing that the pay loss is significant. But nothing here changed the perception of him.

"Serving time" for what? Was he convicted of anything?

The whole thing is too murky to even form a real opinion on. Who the hell knows what he did or what his motives actually were.

I don't like the dude, but three years of not being able to work at your job where you're one of the best in the world at seems like "time served" to me.

 

[NickyFotiu]

How did he serve his time? How long has he been a coach? How long has he been considered a jerk? Forced time out for a few years while you golf like nothing happened is not serving your time and feeling remorseful for what you did.

I have no doubt Babcock has acted like a jerk at times but so has Torts and other coaches. In fact Sean Avery defended Babcock and he hates Torts. I have no doubt Babs has some personality issues but if the Oilers want to hire a guy with personality issues that should probably be their choice imo. Its not like he will be in total charge. If McDavid does not like his behavior he will be shown the door fast.

 

[TGWL]

"Serving time" for what? Was he convicted of anything?

The whole thing is too murky to even form a real opinion on. Who the hell knows what he did or what his motives actually were.

I don't like the dude, but three years of not being able to work at your job where you're one of the best in the world at seems like "time served" to me.

Don't do that. Don't walk into a response and then try to change it around, as if I was even the one who brought up "serving his time".

I'm not saying he shouldn't be a allowed to coach, but the post was clearing giving Babcock the benefit of doubt because he served his time away and has moved on in his life. It was about expecting a different iteration of Babcock just because he "served his time." It was not about let the man coach because he's a good coach and hasn't been convicted of anything. Babcock hasn't done anything but be forced away for 3 years, so why should anybody give him the benefit of doubt like he learned from his mistakes and will be different? That's not to say he won't be, but why should people just expect it?

I have no doubt Babcock has acted like a jerk at times but so has Torts and other coaches. In fact Sean Avery defended Babcock and he hates Torts. I have no doubt Babs has some personality issues but if the Oilers want to hire a guy with personality issues that should probably be their choice imo. Its not like he will be in total charge. If McDavid does not like his behavior he will be shown the door fast.

Yes, but we're not expecting a different iteration of Torts and saying people shouldn't expect Torts to be Torts. This isn't about not giving the man a job.

 

[haohmaru]

Don't do that. Don't walk into a response and then try to change it around, as if I was even the one who brought up "serving his time".

I'm quoting YOU. I didn't change anything. If you wanted to say something else or phrase it a different way then do so. I'm not talking to other people or sifting through a myriad of responses. I was responding to you.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be a allowed to coach, but the post was clearing giving Babcock the benefit of doubt because he served his time away and has moved on in his life. It was about expecting a different iteration of Babcock just because he "served his time." It was not about let the man coach because he's a good coach and hasn't been convicted of anything. Babcock hasn't done anything but be forced away for 3 years, so why should anybody give him the benefit of doubt like he learned from his mistakes?

And this is where we differ. Nobody wanted to touch him and every NHL team knew there was a risk and process that would precede him being hired anywhere and nobody knew how that would end. Friedman and his podcast (as well as others) had doubts about him being able to coach again so soon. And, yes, I think 3 years of being cast out from the job that you love is a lot of money and time lost.

I'm not going to speculate about what he has or hasn't learned. You can say the same thing about criminals, professionals, etc... We don't know what we don't know and that's why I think the time was enough. I don't like the guy or his methods and I never have but three years is a long time for an old(er) dude who wasn't convicted of anything.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Yes, but we're not expecting a different iteration of Torts and saying people shouldn't expect Torts to be Torts. This isn't about not giving the man a job.

I don't expect Babs to drastically change anymore than Torts will drastically change despite the repeated "lighter Torts" stuff we have heard occasionally. I'm saying the Oilers know who Babs is so it should be their decision imo.

 

[TGWL]

I don't expect Babs to drastically change anymore than Torts will drastically change despite the repeated "lighter Torts" stuff we have heard occasionally. I'm saying the Oilers know who Babs is so it should be their decision imo.

I'm not disagreeing with that.

 

[gabevh3]

Does the guy not double check before he posts?

 

[GoAwayRempe]

 

[Profet]

well at least Florida protected us from Drury doing something stupid.

 

[Fitzy]

I like Brady Tkachuk but that's a wild return.

Florida is moving pieces like they don't plan to be good again until America's 300th birthday

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I like Brady Tkachuk but that's a wild return.

Florida is moving pieces like they don't plan to be good again until America's 300th birthday

That’s what people said when they traded 6 years of firsts and that was before 3 straight cup finals

 

[GoAwayRempe]

That’s what people said when they traded 6 years of firsts and that was before 3 straight cup finals

Matt is/was elite.

Brady is top 5 most overrated in the league.

 

[LeetchisGod]

The Canes better enjoy this cup because the Cats are coming for them.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

this should hopefully put the “Drury got all he could for Panarin!” narrative to bed

 

[80s Kid]

Brady has his issues but Florida is going to going to be a nightmare to play against if they stay healthy.

B. Tkachuk-Barkov-M. Tkachuk
Verhaeghe-Lundel-Reinhart
Marchand-Bennet-Evan Rod

 

[SnowblindNYR]

That seems like an overpayment.

 

[DialUp]

this should hopefully put the “Drury got all he could for Panarin!” narrative to bed

He doesn't need your vote!

 

[DialUp]

When teams make trades or signings like this, it makes me realize how little I understand the cap.

Thrilled this ends the Rangers "rumors" about this guy.

 

[NickyFotiu]

At first I thought it was Florida trading Matt. He seems to have slowed a tiny bit. Not sure if thats age or injury. Florida is really going for it. On paper they are kinda stacked but there is a lot of mileage on several of their players.

 

[LokiDog]

9th and 25th… a 2029 1st and a 2030 2nd. It’s a big return but Ottawa getting nothing even close to NHL ready is a big step back for them. Those 2029 and 2030 picks are far enough away that you probably take this risk as Florida wanting to get one or two more Cups with this group. The 25th OA pick has value but the 9OA is really the only big piece and it’s a future heavy package from a win-now heavy team. I think the Sens hope to move some of those picks for immediate help. Florida is all in on 2-3 more years of going for it.

Brady, Matt, Marchand and Bennett on one team is f***ing insane. Find a way to get Tom Wilson, bring back Gudas. The rest of the league won’t be able to cope with the hate.

 

[Waltuh]

this should hopefully put the “Drury got all he could for Panarin!” narrative to bed

how are tkachuk and panarin even remotely comparable

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

how are tkachuk and panarin even remotely comparable

they’re not really, Panarin is definitively better