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For some reason people think Svech will return huge in a trade this summer.

Dude is so lame.
Speaking of mind boggling returns, don't be surprised if Sam Bennett sniffs $10MM in his next deal, as someone may very well shell out for peak value especially if he's sporting another name engraving, irrespective of his sporting a single season in excess of 50 pts. The "new" Leafs seem like just that kind of team, LOL.
 
Better overall. He has another 10 years, but to date he’s pretty clearly been better than Sid was to the same point. Outside of the cups.
Yeah barring missing major time he's on pace for 2000 points. Pretty insane the amount of talent the league has had in the last 25 years. Especially coming out of the 90s where it seemed none of Gretzky's records could even be remotely challenged.

Kind of sucks for Crosby and the Pens though. Ovechkin for example is getting the victory lap right into the hall of fame as the best goal scorer now and ever while Crosby's replacement was already in the league in 2015. Long term it seems this will keep him at an Yzerman tier rather than having an arguable spot in the top five.

I mean I've seen arguments that Crosby still was more impressive in his prime since average goals are up 1.5 since 2011 and Crosby played 700 games or so with no 3v3 OT and less PPs, but yeah.
 
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Yeah barring missing major time he's on pace for 2000 points. Pretty insane the amount of talent the league has had in the last 25 years. Especially coming out of the 90s where it seemed none of Gretzky's records could even be remotely challenged.

Kind of sucks for Crosby and the Pens though. Ovechkin for example is getting the victory lap right into the hall of fame as the best goal scorer now and ever while Crosby's replacement was already in the league in 2015. Long term it seems this will keep him at an Yzerman tier rather than having an arguable spot in the top five.

I mean I've seen arguments that Crosby still was more impressive in his prime since average goals are up 1.5 since 2011 and Crosby played 700 games or so with no 3v3 OT and less PPs, but yeah.
Both Crosby and the Pens in general are old hat. And Crosby has still been great while the Pens haven’t, so that makes sense. But scoring has ramped back up, McDavid just scores more and is on a better pace. Now does he have the conditioning/motivation to keep it going deep into his 30’s like Sid? Maybe.

Back to the Pens being old hat - well yeah no kidding, they’ve been irrelevant since the Caps took them out in 2018. But remember when winning back to back was special? Tampa did it right after and Florida could do it again too. But this is Edmonton’s cup to lose IMO.
 
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Yeah barring missing major time he's on pace for 2000 points. Pretty insane the amount of talent the league has had in the last 25 years. Especially coming out of the 90s where it seemed none of Gretzky's records could even be remotely challenged.

Kind of sucks for Crosby and the Pens though. Ovechkin for example is getting the victory lap right into the hall of fame as the best goal scorer now and ever while Crosby's replacement was already in the league in 2015. Long term it seems this will keep him at an Yzerman tier rather than having an arguable spot in the top five.

I mean I've seen arguments that Crosby still was more impressive in his prime since average goals are up 1.5 since 2011 and Crosby played 700 games or so with no 3v3 OT and less PPs, but yeah.
That’s a stupid statement. He’s widely recognized as a top 5 player ever. Yzerman’s trophy case is pathetic compared to Sid. In what world would they ever be on the same tier?
 
McDavid is better offensively, defensively and much more mature than Crosby at the same age. While Crosby was telling the media he hates everyone on the Flyers, punching ROR in the balls, slamming Subbans head on the ice etc, McDavid has been showing the league and all fans who the GOAT is.
 
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Speaking of mind boggling returns, don't be surprised if Sam Bennett sniffs $10MM in his next deal, as someone may very well shell out for peak value especially if he's sporting another name engraving, irrespective of his sporting a single season in excess of 50 pts. The "new" Leafs seem like just that kind of team, LOL.

I mean, you’re talking to the guy who proposed Jake and a 1st for Sam Bennett.
 
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That’s a stupid statement. He’s widely recognized as a top 5 player ever. Yzerman’s trophy case is pathetic compared to Sid. In what world would they ever be on the same tier?
Not saying I agree, just that it might be what the general sentiment is once McDavid is retirement age.
 
Maybe the jerks got lucky? They gave Toronto first dibs on a Rantanen - Marner deal which Mitch nixed. Mitch wouldn't have cured what ails the Canes. At least they salvaged some value from the Dallas deal?

Value was fine but they got worse when they are trying to contend which is a failure. The 2028 first from Dallas isnt going to make an impact until like 2030.

They need to spend assets on help now. Not be accumulating assets for 5 years from now.
 
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Shhh!! Don’t give them any ideas….

If he gets the boot once the Canes probably get swept, I can see FSG wanting to hire that twat.
Did I mishear that their ECF losing streak started in 2009?

The series where Malkin made them his prison bitch? Hahahahahaha


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One thing that catches my eye - yes, size. All of Florida's guys are big. Barkov, Tkachuk, Bennett, Verhaeghe, Reinhart.. Jones, Ekblad.. look at the Canes guys. Aho, Jarvis, Stankhoven, Ghost. Oilers have size too. Obviously these are all good hockey players and that matters.
Is Marchand a grower and not a show-er?
 
I think once McDavid's retired, my top 5 all time would be Mario, then Gretzky, then Sid, McDavid and Orr.

It'd be a shame if McDavid never wins a Cup, but it'd be more of a case of what if when talking about how bad the Oilers organization's been as opposed to a real knock against McDavid imo.
 
I think once McDavid's retired, my top 5 all time would be Mario, then Gretzky, then Sid, McDavid and Orr.

It'd be a shame if McDavid never wins a Cup, but it'd be more of a case of what if when talking about how bad the Oilers organization's been as opposed to a real knock against McDavid imo.
Mine will still be Malkin and f*** the rest.
 
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Value was fine but they got worse when they are trying to contend which is a failure. The 2028 first from Dallas isnt going to make an impact until like 2030.

They need to spend assets on help now. Not be accumulating assets for 5 years from now.
Yeah Stank is a good add 2-3yrs from now. Right now? They needed a Necas or Rantanen. But then again the coach not throwing in Nadeau or Robi and see if they can inject life into the team and just throwing the same shit out there hoping for a different result, you love to see it.
 
I think once McDavid's retired, my top 5 all time would be Mario, then Gretzky, then Sid, McDavid and Orr.

It'd be a shame if McDavid never wins a Cup, but it'd be more of a case of what if when talking about how bad the Oilers organization's been as opposed to a real knock against McDavid imo.

My controversial take is that Orr wouldn't be this "legend" if he didn't have between 6 and 1 new teams enter the league every season of his career. The league did everything possible to stymie the new teams from being able to produce a competitive team on the ice for years, until Philly said f*** it, we're fighting. And his only cups, came during the years the league had the O6 vs the Next 6, St'Louis was the equivalent of an AHL team in the finals for 3 straight years until the League moved Chicago to the other division, and they had a cakewalk to the finals as soon as they moved. The 70's was entertaining, but worse than the WHA for quality competition between teams. His splits show it too, he would have been a great player anyways, but he and Esposito feasted on expansion teams.
 
My controversial take is that Orr wouldn't be this "legend" if he didn't have between 6 and 1 new teams enter the league every season of his career. The league did everything possible to stymie the new teams from being able to produce a competitive team on the ice for years, until Philly said f*** it, we're fighting. And his only cups, came during the years the league had the O6 vs the Next 6, St'Louis was the equivalent of an AHL team in the finals for 3 straight years until the League moved Chicago to the other division, and they had a cakewalk to the finals as soon as they moved. The 70's was entertaining, but worse than the WHA for quality competition between teams. His splits show it too, he would have been a great player anyways, but he and Esposito feasted on expansion teams.
Heresy, but definitely some truth to it. Still, he changed the position and was always the best player on the ice at least in his prime. Could you put Potvin, Bourque, Coffey, or Lidstrom above him? Maybe the first two, but it would still be close.

Canes made it close for two periods last game. Can they make it just a one-goal loss tonight? Guessing they collapse as they have in the first three and it's not even close, unless the Cats get unfocused or lazy.
 
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Heresy, but definitely some truth to it. Still, he changed the position and was always the best player on the ice at least in his prime. Could you put Potvin, Bourque, Coffey, or Lidstrom above him? Maybe the first two, but it would still be close.
Lidstrom won 7 Norrises, including one at 40. Was nominated for it 12 times.
He was a career +450, always matched against top players. Some more respect to his name is warranted.

He was just a different type of player than Orr.
 
My controversial take is that Orr wouldn't be this "legend" if he didn't have between 6 and 1 new teams enter the league every season of his career. The league did everything possible to stymie the new teams from being able to produce a competitive team on the ice for years, until Philly said f*** it, we're fighting. And his only cups, came during the years the league had the O6 vs the Next 6, St'Louis was the equivalent of an AHL team in the finals for 3 straight years until the League moved Chicago to the other division, and they had a cakewalk to the finals as soon as they moved. The 70's was entertaining, but worse than the WHA for quality competition between teams. His splits show it too, he would have been a great player anyways, but he and Esposito feasted on expansion teams.
Yeah, that's totally fair. I just kinda throw him there because I think the other fall back is Howe and I'm in the same mindset of him as you are of Orr.

It feels like when people talk about Johnny Unitas in the same vein as like a Brady or Manning or Brees and it's like, man, there's a universe apart in terms of athleticism and skill. :laugh: At some point it becomes less about "wee X was the best in the world in their era" and you just have to admit there are and have been better players, I think.
 
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Yeah, that's totally fair. I just kinda throw him there because I think the other fall back is Howe and I'm in the same mindset of him as you are of Orr.

It feels like when people talk about Johnny Unitas in the same vein as like a Brady or Manning or Brees and it's like, man, there's a universe apart in terms of athleticism and skill. :laugh: At some point it becomes less about "wee X was the best in the world in their era" and you just have to admit there are and have been better players, I think.
I mean to show how competitive the league became, Howe at 40, had his first 100 point season in his career after the Next 6 arrived. Were these guys good? Absolutely, Great even, I just hold the 70's to a much lower standard of quality when giving out Mt Rushmore status.
 
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I think once McDavid's retired, my top 5 all time would be Mario, then Gretzky, then Sid, McDavid and Orr.

It'd be a shame if McDavid never wins a Cup, but it'd be more of a case of what if when talking about how bad the Oilers organization's been as opposed to a real knock against McDavid imo.

I'll be curious to see how effective McDavid will still be into his 30's when he loses half a step, and if he can play at a level comparable to how Crosby is playing now.
 
McDavid and Draisaitl both come across as "coasting" because they're so efficient. That's not to downplay Crosby's work ethic. He's just a different player. Although, I am curious to see how the Oilers' stars, Draisaitl in particular, age.
 
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Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how McDavid fares when he starts to lose some speed. His explosiveness is just on a completely different level.
 
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