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Around the NHL - Part XLV (Playoffs edition)

will1066 said:
Too bad their training together didn't rub off on Kaapo.

Maybe he actually just served as Rantanen's spotter and caddy.
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One looks like he is trying to expel his demons in the gym and one looks like his grandma is taking a picture to show her friends how strong her bubby is.
 
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GoAwayPanarin said:
Definition of a galaxy brain.

For all of those people who were screaming about how it was smart for a contender to sell a pending UFA, look at how stupid that looks now. I give MacK credit, he was obviously pissed and blindsided when it happened but he didn't pout and let it tear apart the room.

But he was clearly steamed once they got knocked out. That GM isn't going to be around much longer.
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I also want those posters who were dunking on Rantanen for being a product of McK to come out with black feathers sticking out of their mouths.
 
Machinehead said:
I don't think the issue with Kakko is training. He came in absolutely massive that one camp. He clearly worked out a lot.

The poor guy is just slow and shit and doesn't know how to use his size.
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I’m not commenting on his fitness per se. Some people are just animals. They have “that dog in them”. They go to the gym and they push past their limits, intentionally, subconsciously really, almost like they’re punishing themselves. Others go and do a prescribed work out at the prescribed weight and intensity (and this is not saying it’s an “easy workout” - it’s designed by a team trainer to be appropriately challenging and sport specific) but that’s what they do. What’s prescribed. Rantanen looks like someone who cuts his rest sets short, wants to throw an extra 20lbs on the bar, wants to do “one more set” and then “one more set”. Kakko seems like someone who does the workout that has been outlined for him. He isn’t fighting demons or pushing himself past his mortal limits. That manifests in moments on the ice as well, when it’s time to dig deep and push beyond your normal level. I guess it’s a long winded way of saying “having an extra gear”. But in my experience through competitive hockey, through the military, etc. a lot of that “having an extra gear” is something that is forged in the gym and how hard you’re willing to push yourself. Do you make yourself nauseas going to maximum exertion? Do you do drop sets until 10lb dumbbells have your arms shaking? You can still get just as massive or lean and ripped and muscular by not doing that. But you won’t develop that mental fortitude and extra gear without pushing yourself. 100% opinion, of course.
 
LokiDog said:
I’m not commenting on his fitness per se. Some people are just animals. They have “that dog in them”. They go to the gym and they push past their limits, intentionally, subconsciously really, almost like they’re punishing themselves. Others go and do a prescribed work out at the prescribed weight and intensity (and this is not saying it’s an “easy workout” - it’s designed by a team trainer to be appropriately challenging and sport specific) but that’s what they do. What’s prescribed. Rantanen looks like someone who cuts his rest sets short, wants to throw an extra 20lbs on the bar, wants to do “one more set” and then “one more set”. Kakko seems like someone who does the workout that has been outlined for him. He isn’t fighting demons or pushing himself past his mortal limits. That manifests in moments on the ice as well, when it’s time to dig deep and push beyond your normal level. I guess it’s a long winded way of saying “having an extra gear”. But in my experience through competitive hockey, through the military, etc. a lot of that “having an extra gear” is something that is forged in the gym and how hard you’re willing to push yourself. Do you make yourself nauseas going to maximum exertion? Do you do drop sets until 10lb dumbbells have your arms shaking? You can still get just as massive or lean and ripped and muscular by not doing that. But you won’t develop that mental fortitude and extra gear without pushing yourself. 100% opinion, of course.
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Strange post, a total guess on your part. And even if it were true, it's hardly a drop in the bucket of explaining why Mikko Rantanen is elite and Kakko is mid as hell.

Mostly just skill and natural ability and how good @ playing the game you are. There's no amount of training or practice etc that can overcome someone just being naturally much better than you.
 
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Filthy Dangles said:
Strange post, a total guess on your part. And even if it were true, it's hardly a drop in the bucket of explaining why Mikko Rantanen is elite and Kakko is mid as hell.

Mostly just skill and natural ability and how good @ playing the game you are. There's no amount of training or practice etc that can overcome someone just being naturally much better than you.
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No, there’s no correlation here. But that same drive to go beyond and achieve having an extra gear to access also translates into assertiveness and confidence over time. Not saying that would solve all of Kakko’s problems; if he can’t process the game faster, it doesn’t matter… but being more assertive and having that level of “excess” physical prowess and stamina also allows guys with naturally large frames to asset their size and be more effective. He’d never catch Rantanen, but he’d be a better version of Kakko.

They’re supposed to be 1-2” apart in height and the same weight (unreliable, I know) but look at the body language in that first picture. One guy wants you to come get the puck, one guy is afraid you’re going to take the puck.
 
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Harbour Dog said:
If Dallas wins the cup this year, Rantanen is going to sleep like a baby for the rest of his life.
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Have to give Dallas management a lot of credit. A lot of people were burying Rantanen a few months ago. Saying Colorado won the deal by far. Many posters on HF said they wanted nothing to do with the guy and were against trading for him.
 
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Filthy Dangles said:
Strange post, a total guess on your part. And even if it were true, it's hardly a drop in the bucket of explaining why Mikko Rantanen is elite and Kakko is mid as hell.

Mostly just skill and natural ability and how good @ playing the game you are. There's no amount of training or practice etc that can overcome someone just being naturally much better than you.
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it's really so odd how some people interact with sports fandom. a lens of total projection, seeing performance as referendum on manhood and on intrinsic value, etc.
 
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NickyFotiu said:
Have to give Dallas management a lot of credit. A lot of people were burying Rantanen a few months ago. Saying Colorado won the deal by far. Many posters on HF said they wanted nothing to do with the guy and were against trading for him.
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He’s just on a hot streak. I mean half the goals he’s scored the past few games were fluke bounces . He’s a great player don’t get me wrong but he’s not in the S tier of superstars and is the not the kind of guy would should have went after
 
KirkAlbuquerque said:
He’s just on a hot streak. I mean half the goals he’s scored the past few games were fluke bounces . He’s a great player don’t get me wrong but he’s not in the S tier of superstars and is the not the kind of guy would should have went after
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Well its a great streak but the day Dallas got him they mentioned his playoff record. He has always had strong playoffs. He raises his game.
 
noncents said:
it's really so odd how some people interact with sports fandom. a lens of total projection, seeing performance as referendum on manhood and on intrinsic value, etc.
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Where is the projection or mention of “manhood”? Some people have an intrinsic hunger to push themselves harder and go further and others do not. Across a fairly large swath of life experience, I’ve repeatedly seen that the guys who did the prescribed workout by the coach or the cadre or the squadron commander and then stayed after to do MORE or who were later in the gym again for their own session had more success than the guys who just showed up and did the workout. Even though in all of these instances these were ALL extraordinarily fit people; the prescribed workouts themselves were hard and everyone was lean and muscular and well, well above societal average fitness. But the guys who chose or were innately driven to do MORE almost universally were always the higher performers in the end. That isn’t a commentary on manliness or a projection of some type of fandom. In a fairly large sampling of 200+ people over more than a decade, that’s the results that I have seen far more often than not. The soldiers who did the prescribed workout weren’t less of bad asses, the NCAA DI hockey players weren’t less talented, these were all high level people. But the guys who had that extra determination and hunger also almost universally had an extra gear when things got tough and an extra confidence and assertiveness that made them even higher performers among their elite peers.
 
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