Around the NHL - Part XLIII

[tiggles]

Look, we all know that, now that Fil isn't a Ranger anymore, he's going to put together a 300 game iron man streak

 

[noncents]

@SnowblindNYR congrats. kane scores, kakko loses it in shootout. det win

 

[Row I Goon]

Oh Kakko!

 

[ReleasO The KakkO]

Look, we all know that, now that Fil isn't a Ranger anymore, he's going to put together a 300 game iron man streak

Two games, two points. Pretty good start.

 

[TheWrongWay]

how many years had he been here before last year? how many coaches? i feel like he was the 2nd longest tenured ranger after kreids

It super does feel like that. But I think the 2nd longest active NYR is Mika. Mika has been here since guys like Zucc, Nash, Stepan, McD were here, and I believe Mika and JT Miller already played two seasons (one at the least) during JT Miller's first stint here

 

[TheWrongWay]

Because the alternative is that there's something inherently wrong with the way the team we root for is run. So it's more comforting to just tell yourself the player wasn't trying or something.

I think he tried, but he also did play timid, perimeter, and almost no impact.

I realize fans are super harsh on their respective teams. But the reality is, we win more than most teams and have for the past 20 years. In that time, the NYR are 4th in regular season wins and also have the 4th most playoff wins.

No Cup in that time frame, granted, but no Cup is true for 19 other teams in that 20-year span, as well.

I think the Rangers win a tad more than people realize and obviously, it's just a bit harder for younger players to crack a more winning lineup than, say, a lottery team or a perennial loser. It is therefore a little incumbent on a more winning team for a younger player to make an impact and a statement.

A person can wait and hope for a chance to play or move up the lineup. Or you can take it into your own hands, produce, and make yourself undeniable.

Adam Fox started playing here at age 21 and made himself undeniable.

The kid produced and the team has given Fox over 23 minutes a game from age 22 onward.

 

[Harbour Dog]

I hope Chytil blows up, stays healthy, and becomes a star player in the league. Kid deserves it, and we deserve a smack in the mouth for our horseshit idea of "development".

 

[jniklast]

I hope Chytil blows up, stays healthy, and becomes a star player in the league. Kid deserves it, and we deserve a smack in the mouth for our horseshit idea of "development".

I don't know, I find it kinda hard to blame the Rangers on this one. I think Chytil took a real step forward beginning of last season. But just then he also had his big concussion. Maybe Lav should've given him a bigger role when things did not click at all this season, but then again he kept missing games.

I think with Chytil it really is just about health right now.

 

[noncents]

I think he tried, but he also did play timid, perimeter, and almost no impact.

I realize fans are super harsh on their respective teams. But the reality is, we win more than most teams and have for the past 20 years. In that time, the NYR are 4th in regular season wins and also have the 4th most playoff wins.

No Cup in that time frame, granted, but no Cup is true for 19 other teams in that 20-year span, as well.

I think the Rangers win a tad more than people realize and obviously, it's just a bit harder for younger players to crack a more winning lineup than, say, a lottery team or a perennial loser. It is therefore a little incumbent on a more winning team for a younger player to make an impact and a statement.

A person can wait and hope for a chance to play or move up the lineup. Or you can take it into your own hands, produce, and make yourself undeniable.

Adam Fox started playing here at age 21 and made himself undeniable.

The kid produced and the team has given Fox over 23 minutes a game from age 22 onward.

"be adam fox or don't get a real shot" is exactly the point imo

 

[Harbour Dog]

I don't know, I find it kinda hard to blame the Rangers on this one. I think Chytil took a real step forward beginning of last season. But just then he also had his big concussion. Maybe Lav should've given him a bigger role when things did not click at all this season, but then again he kept missing games.

I think with Chytil it really is just about health right now.

I would definitely say it's less egregious than other examples, yeah. But every little bit helps!

Maybe if Chytil is P/GP from here onward, that will buy Perreault an extra month of playtime in the top6 if and when he isn't producing at the level we want. Or a longer stretch on PP1 than we ever gave the other kids.

Wouldn't be very palatable for management to watch another young guy come in and be placed on the same trajectory as guys we had to trade away who immediately gained value, just by slipping on a different jersey.

 

[TheDirtyH]

I think he tried, but he also did play timid, perimeter, and almost no impact.

I realize fans are super harsh on their respective teams. But the reality is, we win more than most teams and have for the past 20 years. In that time, the NYR are 4th in regular season wins and also have the 4th most playoff wins.

No Cup in that time frame, granted, but no Cup is true for 19 other teams in that 20-year span, as well.

I think the Rangers win a tad more than people realize and obviously, it's just a bit harder for younger players to crack a more winning lineup than, say, a lottery team or a perennial loser. It is therefore a little incumbent on a more winning team for a younger player to make an impact and a statement.

A person can wait and hope for a chance to play or move up the lineup. Or you can take it into your own hands, produce, and make yourself undeniable.

Adam Fox started playing here at age 21 and made himself undeniable.

The kid produced and the team has given Fox over 23 minutes a game from age 22 onward.

Adam Fox has four straight top 5 Norris finishes including a win, and he's never led our defense in 5v5 TOI.

The Rangers are clueless. They win in spite of themselves, everyone knows it; especially Igor's agent. That's why Drury got bent over on that contract, because the worst kept secret in the league is that the rangers have been a mediocre team, bouyed by hall of fame goaltending for 20 years.

Their track record at forward and defense is troubled at best, and what Kakko has done in Seattle should pretty much put the nail in the coffin, but people are so stubborn they need it to be something else. I get it: this team makes it hard to root for them, when you really pay attention to them like we all do.

 

[TheWrongWay]

Look, we all know that, now that Fil isn't a Ranger anymore, he's going to put together a 300 game iron man streak

I hope so. I love his attitude and enthusiasm. But he still makes some of the same fundamental errors that tend to induce his injuries. I'm sitting here now on my 4th serious concussion. I truly don't want to see someone so freakin young going through anything remotely like this.

 

[TheWrongWay]

I would definitely say it's less egregious than other examples, yeah. But every little bit helps!

Maybe if Chytil is P/GP from here onward, that will buy Perreault an extra month of playtime in the top6 if and when he isn't producing at the level we want. Or a longer stretch on PP1 than we ever gave the other kids.

Wouldn't be very palatable for management to watch another young guy come in and be placed on the same trajectory as guys we had to trade away who immediately gained value, just by slipping on a different jersey.

Sample size. JT Miller also put on a different jersey and is 2 ppg. Might not be sustainable lol

I'll see how this all looks a year from now after people have some legit time under their belts

 

[Overcast]

I think he tried, but he also did play timid, perimeter, and almost no impact.

I realize fans are super harsh on their respective teams. But the reality is, we win more than most teams and have for the past 20 years. In that time, the NYR are 4th in regular season wins and also have the 4th most playoff wins.

No Cup in that time frame, granted, but no Cup is true for 19 other teams in that 20-year span, as well.

I think the Rangers win a tad more than people realize and obviously, it's just a bit harder for younger players to crack a more winning lineup than, say, a lottery team or a perennial loser. It is therefore a little incumbent on a more winning team for a younger player to make an impact and a statement.

A person can wait and hope for a chance to play or move up the lineup. Or you can take it into your own hands, produce, and make yourself undeniable.

Adam Fox started playing here at age 21 and made himself undeniable.

The kid produced and the team has given Fox over 23 minutes a game from age 22 onward.

Reading whatever recent interview with Kakko was telling to me - There seems to be a mandate that younger players with NYR have to play literal mistake-free, genuis-level 500 IQ hockey every single shift in order to "earn" better/more chances, otherwise they get benched for the next 8 periods or get their ice time reduced to ~11m/game if they dare try something creative once and it doesn't work. Meanwhile the vets can keep doing the same shit that doesn't work and keep doing drop passes and blind behind-the-back passes that fall on an opponent's stick and it's just "They're trying to get themselves going." As has been mentioned, there's typically not a lot of on-ice accountability for the more tenured players.

I get that setting a high standard is good to push players, but it never felt like Laf/Kakko/etc were unequivocally given good faith opportunities without the looming threat of not playing if they didn't play immaculate hockey 100% of the time. And I think there's something to look at there when comparing 1) the way these guys play/played with NYR, and 2) the way they play with their new teams.

Kakko/Laf were given a lot of chances and never really popped with those chances, but I think it wraps back to that looming threat. Why are they going to stick their necks out to do something out of the box if they're being told "Don't do anything out of the box"? Quinn telling guys not to stickhandle now sounds like the tip of the iceberg.

If doing anything remotely creative fails and leads to them NOT playing..well these guys want to play so they're going to fall in line and be good little worker bees behind the true kings of the team in Kreider/Meeka/etc. And if the big guns aren't going? Well, they're just going to get more ice time at the expense of "mistaken-laden" Kakko/Laf. All if this shit feeds into itself IMO.

Now we've seen Laf in the top6 because he sucked it up, was decent enough (or in actuality, Laf was probably just more personable/"in" with the big boys club), and was a good little worker bee. And now he plays exactly like every other lifeless vet. How surprising that we don't see the pre-draft Laf now.