Around the NHL - Part XLIII

[TheWrongWay]

This past alumni game certainly put in perspective how many years have passed, haha

I started watching the team when Park and Ratelle were still in NY. I don't need extra reminders of how old I am. I pee dust at this point

 

[NickyFotiu]

I started watching the team when Park and Ratelle were still in NY. I don't need extra reminders of how old I am. I pee dust at this point

60 is the new 45

 

[will1066]

“ Dr. Harjas Grewal explained on X that goaltender injuries are hard to predict…”

And then proceeded to speculate wildly despite the fact that Allen and Keefe both said Markstrom was in good spirits, doing a bit better, he was able to eventually skate himself off of the ice after struggling initially and all Keefe said was “he’s gonna miss some time” which could literally be, he tweaked something and it’s swollen and tender so we’re gonna give him a week or two off so as not to rush things.

I’m glad that “Dr. Injury Expert” speculating on X (of all places) is what our news stories are based on in these advanced modern times.

(Not criticizing you for posting it, just saying…)

MCL sprain. Out 4 to 6 weeks. Honestly, it could've been worse.

 

[DialUp]

Tony D on the Island. LOL!

 

[NYR94]

Lou baby what is you doin

 

[Tob]

Donald back in office, expect a big finish for tony D the rest of the year. Good bet for Lou.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I know our board has calmed down with Kakko but since it was a thing on the main boards here's Andrew Copp since 2021-22. Take a look at his production with us and everyone else. He even had 14 points in 20 playoff games.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I know our board has calmed down with Kakko but since it was a thing on the main boards here's Andrew Copp since 2021-22. Take a look at his production with us and everyone else. He even had 14 points in 20 playoff games.

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Copp was very good here before he got hurt. Even though the numbers still looked good in the playoffs, he wasn't as effective after the injury.

Giving him a long term deal would've been a mistake, however. We did the right thing pivoting to Trocheck.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Copp was very good here before he got hurt. Even though the numbers still looked good in the playoffs, he wasn't as effective after the injury.

Giving him a long term deal would've been a mistake, however. We did the right thing pivoting to Trocheck.

But he's never been that close to a PPG guy on the Jets or elsewhere. It was a rare instance of a guy playing at his best with the Rangers in a small sample size. Kakko will fall back down to earth and be a middle 6 guy. Nothing to be ashamed of but not someone to cry over either.

 

[Boris Zubov]

But he's never been that close to a PPG guy on the Jets or elsewhere. It was a rare instance of a guy playing at his best with the Rangers in a small sample size. Kakko will fall back down to earth and be a middle 6 guy. Nothing to be ashamed of but not someone to cry over either.

Copp & Panarin had instant chemistry. Who knows if that was sustainable long term, but sometimes certain players just mesh well together.

I think Kakko is who he is, which is still a useful player, but if he somehow manages to put up 60 points next season, it's fair to ask what we could've done better to put him in a position to succeed.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Copp & Panarin had instant chemistry. Who knows if that was sustainable long term, but sometimes certain players just mesh well together.

I think Kakko is who he is, which is still a useful player, but if he somehow manages to put up 60 points next season, it's fair to ask what we could've done better to put him in a position to succeed.

But 60 points in the current NHL is good but not this disaster territory that everyone is making it out to be. I don't know people are overreacting because they have a bone to pick with him. There's more anger about this than the JT Miller trade where he was a legit borderline superstar.

 

[LOFIN]

But 60 points in the current NHL is good but not this disaster territory that everyone is making it out to be. I don't know people are overreacting because they have a bone to pick with him. There's more anger about this than the JT Miller trade where he was a legit borderline superstar.

The problem you continue to have, is that you simply continue to argue about the player itself, while the vast majority are talking about the trade.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

The problem you continue to have, is that you simply continue to argue about the player itself, while the vast majority are talking about the trade.

But the trade was fine. 2nd pairing defenseman + 2 picks one of which is a 3rd is plenty for a middle 6 winger. People just want to be upset.

 

[LOFIN]

But the trade was fine. 2nd pairing defenseman + 2 picks one of which is a 3rd is plenty for a middle 6 winger. People just want to be upset.

Again, you are talking about the player as you perceive him. Not what his value could've been, had this trade been executed properly.

Good thing Borgen has looked more than fine. But he's not a 2nd pairing defenceman.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Again, you are talking about the player as you perceive him. Not what his value could've been, had this trade been executed properly.

Good thing Borgen has looked more than fine.

How do you know what the value was? Were you in the calls with Drury?

 

[LOFIN]

How do you know what the value was? Were you in the calls with Drury?

No. But we have the insiders reporting that Drury took a very cheap deal from other GM's perspective. And we are talking about what the value was at the time of the trade, not last summer, or in the summer of 2023. Or what it could've been at the deadline.

Whatever makes you happy, the Kakko trade was failed asset management. Just like the Buchnevich trade was at the time. That doesn't mean it was a mistake to move on from those players.

 

[frozenrubber]

Tony D on the Island. LOL!

It's just a perfect fit. Tony DeAngelo is what happens to your brain when you mix Zyn and talk radio while spending half of your life in traffic on the Jericho Turnpike.

Once Tony flames out again, he can finally go to his true calling, owning a pool supplies store in Massapequa.

 

[noncents]

It's just a perfect fit. Tony DeAngelo is what happens to your brain when you mix Zyn and talk radio while spending half of your life in traffic on the Jericho Turnpike.

Once Tony flames out again, he can finally go to his true calling, owning a pool supplies store in Massapequa.

no need to slander jericho. home of A. Fox after all

 

[SnowblindNYR]

No. But we have the insiders reporting that Drury took a very cheap deal from other GM's perspective. And we are talking about what the value was at the time of the trade, not last summer, or in the summer of 2023. Or what it could've been at the deadline.

Whatever makes you happy, the Kakko trade was failed asset management. Just like the Buchnevich trade was at the time. That doesn't mean it was a mistake to move on from those players.

I'd love to see the source that Drury took a cheap deal. Buch returned a 4th liner, and was a much better player at the time of the trade. Night and day difference. But even there what did Drury leave on the table? You think some super prospect was on the table and he said "nah I'm good"?

 

[LOFIN]

I'd love to see the source that Drury took a cheap deal. Buch returned a 4th liner, and was a much better player at the time of the trade. Night and day difference. But even there what did Drury leave on the table? You think some super prospect was on the table and he said "nah I'm good"?

We have the word of Dreger who said a few GMs he contacted said that they were surprised how cheap the price for Kakko was, and they would've been on it had they known that was all it would've taken. So yeah, there would've been better offers.

And like I said, the bigger issue was the timing. Drury traded Kakko at his absolute worst value. Not a spectacular season, after getting scratched by the coach, and after basically making a public trade request. You seriously can't believe there wouldn't have been something better on the table during last summer, or even at the deadline had Lavy continued to play Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

We have the word of Dreger who said a few GMs he contacted said that they were surprised how cheap the price for Kakko was, and they would've been on it had they known that was all it would've taken. So yeah, there would've been better offers.

And like I said, the bigger issue was the timing. Drury traded Kakko at his absolute worst value. Not a spectacular season, after getting scratched by the coach, and after basically making a public trade request. You seriously can't believe there wouldn't have been something better on the table during last summer, or even at the deadline had Lavy continued to play Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko.

I don't really care about hypotheticals. So far it has worked out. You just want something to be angry about.

 

[nyr2k2]

We have the word of Dreger who said a few GMs he contacted said that they were surprised how cheap the price for Kakko was, and they would've been on it had they known that was all it would've taken. So yeah, there would've been better offers.

And like I said, the bigger issue was the timing. Drury traded Kakko at his absolute worst value. Not a spectacular season, after getting scratched by the coach, and after basically making a public trade request. You seriously can't believe there wouldn't have been something better on the table during last summer, or even at the deadline had Lavy continued to play Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko.

I'm curious which GMs had their heads buried so far in the sand that they were unaware Kakko was available.

I remember posting something that was written by one of the NHL columnists on The Athletic using past deals to gauge what Kakko might be worth. It was written right before the deal was made. The conclusion the guy reached was he was probably worth a veteran heading to UFA and a couple mid picks, or a second round pick without the veteran player. And then he returned exactly that.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm always amazed when trades are made how many of the anonymous "If I'd have known THAT is what he was worth..." things come out. Hard to fathom how deals are ever made when apparently 90% of GMs don't know players are available.

 

[NickyFotiu]

We have the word of Dreger who said a few GMs he contacted said that they were surprised how cheap the price for Kakko was, and they would've been on it had they known that was all it would've taken. So yeah, there would've been better offers.

And like I said, the bigger issue was the timing. Drury traded Kakko at his absolute worst value. Not a spectacular season, after getting scratched by the coach, and after basically making a public trade request. You seriously can't believe there wouldn't have been something better on the table during last summer, or even at the deadline had Lavy continued to play Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko.

Any GM that did not know KK was available in a trade needs to find another job. If they are saying they did not know the price then they should be fired for not inquiring if interested. Do these GMs have access to the internet? I find Dreger's comments amusing at best. I do not find him credible in this regard. Reminds me of the guy who says he would have paid more after a car that he looked at multiple times was sold. I will laugh if Dreger makes the same claim if CK or Mika are traded as well.

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