OT: Around the NHL: Final stretch to the playoffs

[Turin]

Looks like Montreal got a star.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

 

[cygnus47]

Looks like Montreal got a star.

You draft top 5 these things can happen.

 

[Turin]

You draft top 5 these things can happen.

Especially when you take the Russian dude that other teams are too stupid to take. Wish there was one in this draft.

 

[PamBallam]

Fellas, is Kucherov better than Crosby?

Better on the power play? Sure. Better at everything else? Nope lol

 

[eXile3]

Habs young core makes me sick.

 

[Turin]

Habs young core makes me sick.

Still no elite C

 

[Ulf5]

Looks like Montreal got a star.

Beginner's luck.

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

The Hawks played spoiler tonight and beat Montreal in a shootout, so the Habs did not clinch the final playoff spot yet.

 

[BHD]

It's going to be funny if they miss. Every Tims lineup in my city is full of people sporting their Habs gear.

 

[66-30-33]

Jackets need 1 point for NYR to lock their top 13 pick. Looks like we are getting an unprotected NYR pick next season.

Fellas, is Kucherov better than Crosby?

Today? yes.
All time? Nope.

 

[Gurglesons]

Fellas, is Kucherov better than Crosby?

No. But, I don't think there is anyway you can talk yourself into Malkin having a better career than Kuch.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Montreal could have Michkov too if they didn't do some dumb shit and take Reinbacher.

 

[OtherThingsILike]

Heh. Imagine losing your second-to-last game of the season against the Chicago Blackhawks and having that affect whether or not you make the playoffs. What an utterly unique situation.

 

[Pens1566]

Gretzky is a chode so I don't mind Ovechkin breaking that record.

They both suck?

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Couture retires. Man that condition sounds extremely painful

 

[Icarium]

Heh. Imagine losing your second-to-last game of the season against the Chicago Blackhawks and having that affect whether or not you make the playoffs. What an utterly unique situation.

Yeah, it can't possibly happen here under Mike "Winning Culture" Sullivan.

 

[eXile3]

They both suck?

This is the correct answer. Gretzky in particular is overrated as hell.

 

[BHD]

Couture led the playoffs in scoring with 30(!) points in 2016.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Demidov in a helmet looks like Jesse Puljujarvi

 

[heysmilinstrange]

Couture retires. Man that condition sounds extremely painful

I think it was caused by the trauma of seeing Crosby cheat on his faceoffs in the 2016 final. The body keeps the score and all that.

 

[Turin]

No. But, I don't think there is anyway you can talk yourself into Malkin having a better career than Kuch.

Malkin was once the best player in the world while Kucherov never has been considered the best vs his peers in a season, has 3 Cups vs 2 fake bubble ones and was a dominant superstar C at ages 21 to 32 while Kucherov wasn’t even a star until age 25.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

No. But, I don't think there is anyway you can talk yourself into Malkin having a better career than Kuch.

For the hell of it and since you don't like doing math...

Using Hockey Reference's point shares but calculating at a "per game" basis:

Entire career:

there was a broken table here

[Crosby is better over the course of their entire NHL careers by a little bit]

Ages 20 to 31 (Kuch's entire career):

there was a broken table here

[Crosby is 10% better]

Entire career:

there was a broken table here

[Malkin is 12% worse]

Ages 20 to 31 (Kuch's entire career):

there was a broken table here

[Malkin is slightly better overall, better offensively, but worse defensively]

There's some slight errors in the digits I punched in but I don't think they'd make significant changes. And the "##-age season" from Hockey Reference seems a bit off to me.

Anyway, let's see how Kucherov ages.




edit: oh damnit the table formatting got all messed up... gonna remove

TLDR: Crosby is slightly better overall than Kucherov considering all their NHL seasons (including these twilight years). But comparing the same aged seasons of the two Crosby is 10% better overall. Then for Malkin he is about 12% worse with these twilight years. But for the same ages he is slightly better (better offensively but worse defensively).

 

[Gurglesons]

Malkin was once the best player in the world while Kucherov never has been considered the best bs his peers in a season, has 3 Cups vs 2 fake bubble ones and was a dominant superstar C at ages 21 to 32 while Kucherov wasn’t even a star until age 25.

Kucherov has 3 Art Rosses with MacKinnon not playing any further this year. He’s been to four cup finals as “the forward” on his team.

It’s not even a conversation. Kucherov has eclipsed Malkin’s career and there is probably an argument to place him over Ovi in the pantheon of Russian NHLers.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Resume/career aggregation will go to Kucherov but I still take Malkin over Kucherov as a player.

Don’t really think that’s a hot take either. Kuch more clinical but peak Malkin could control a shift in a way Kucherov couldn’t/doesn’t.

Like put both at same age, at their peak and you get to pick one to start a team…. who tf is picking Kucherov even if he’s going to amass a “better” resume?