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[voyageur]

Bloody Wild

Why can't they be shitty like they usually have for thevlast few years!!

In all fairness they put up back to back 100 point seasons, before last year, which was injury filled.

After Jets, Wild and Stars all the teams in the Central producing a negative goal differential.

Nashville in last place in the division is a surprise. Is Stamkos done?

 

[buggs]

In all fairness they put up back to back 100 point seasons, before last year, which was injury filled.

After Jets, Wild and Stars all the teams in the Central producing a negative goal differential.

Nashville in last place in the division is a surprise. Is Stamkos done?

Nashville is probably not as good as last year's Oilers, but I expect they'll bounce back to a degree. Too much talent there still learning to mesh. Is Stamkos done? I also don't think so here, but expectations were probably way too high based on reputation and what he'd done in Tampa. He's 34, possibly a little early for a cliff but wouldn't be the only one. I expect he'll end the season around 60 points still.

The Jets probably aren't as good as their record is currently and I expect they'll tumble a bit in the not too distant future. Tumble is probably the wrong word; regress towards the norm - Jets are a good team but the shooting percentage is unsustainable.

Too early to plan funerals or parades.

 

[voyageur]

Nashville is probably not as good as last year's Oilers, but I expect they'll bounce back to a degree. Too much talent there still learning to mesh. Is Stamkos done? I also don't think so here, but expectations were probably way too high based on reputation and what he'd done in Tampa. He's 34, possibly a little early for a cliff but wouldn't be the only one. I expect he'll end the season around 60 points still.

The Jets probably aren't as good as their record is currently and I expect they'll tumble a bit in the not too distant future. Tumble is probably the wrong word; regress towards the norm - Jets are a good team but the shooting percentage is unsustainable.

Too early to plan funerals or parades.

I think that's an interesting take. Maybe it is all the new faces trying to blend in. But Nashville went 180 degrees to being a rebuilding team, to a veteran team in one offseason. And the young players who were supposed to be the supporting cast have kind of flatlined. Dante Fabbro probably ends up on the trade block the way this season is going.

Maybe an endorsement of Chevy not tinkering too much with a team he has built, whereas I think Trotz had the green light to improve and went big. He's safe but Andrew Brunette might end up being the fall guy.

There has to be somebody in the NHL right now who thinks they have a better chance of making the playoffs with Joel Quenneville as a coach.

 

[TS Quint]

In all fairness they put up back to back 100 point seasons, before last year, which was injury filled.

After Jets, Wild and Stars all the teams in the Central producing a negative goal differential.

Nashville in last place in the division is a surprise. Is Stamkos done?

Nashville is all show no go. Sure they have Saros, Josi and Forsberg. They signed a couple not as good as they used to be names in the off seasons. But as much of a hockey fan as you seem to be, name their 2C off the top of your head. Jusso Parssinen....before it was Tommy Novak. Now rank their bottom 4 defensemen.

They had some players playing way above their weight class last year gettinf dragged around the ice by their hair by Forsberg. Nyquist put up 21 more points than his career high at the age of 34, probably not going to come close to that.

They just ain't that good.

 

[surixon]

Nashville is all show no go. Sure they have Saros, Josi and Forsberg. They signed a couple not as good as they used to be names in the off seasons. But as much of a hockey fan as you seem to be, name their 2C off the top of your head. Jusso Parssinen....before it was Tommy Novak. Now rank their bottom 4 defensemen.

They had some players playing way above their weight class last year gettinf dragged around the ice by their hair by Forsberg. Nyquist put up 21 more points than his career high at the age of 34, probably not going to come close to that.

They just ain't that good.

Agreed, they just went out and chased big names instead of actually addressing needs. For instance they paid a bundle for an aging Stamkos and don't even use him in his customary PP role because Forsberg plays that spot. You brought him for his specialist abilities and then negate them with deployment. Seems like a terrible job at identifying team needs.

They are an old and slow team that isn't built to compliment each other.

Nashville is probably not as good as last year's Oilers, but I expect they'll bounce back to a degree. Too much talent there still learning to mesh. Is Stamkos done? I also don't think so here, but expectations were probably way too high based on reputation and what he'd done in Tampa. He's 34, possibly a little early for a cliff but wouldn't be the only one. I expect he'll end the season around 60 points still.

The Jets probably aren't as good as their record is currently and I expect they'll tumble a bit in the not too distant future. Tumble is probably the wrong word; regress towards the norm - Jets are a good team but the shooting percentage is unsustainable.

Too early to plan funerals or parades.

We will definitely get some regression at some point but the good news for me is that the teams 5 on 5 game is trending in the right direction, so if that keeps up then even of our shooting normalizes stronger team play should offset it a bit.

 

[TS Quint]

Agreed, they just went out and chased big names instead of actually addressing needs. For instance they paid a bundle for an aging Stamkos and don't even use him in his customary PP role because Forsberg plays that spot. You brought him for his specialist abilities and then negate them with deployment. Seems like a terrible job at identifying team needs.

They are an old and slow team that isn't built to compliment each other.

I don't know if Skjei is worth that monster contract either. A good player but maybe not that good or for that long.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

My thoughts this morning!

Since we're 7-0, I keep on going to the main board because I am curious about "so... when does the obligatory and at some point unavoidable "Jets something something legit?" or "Coming to burn down your village" pop up. We're 11-1 and nothing. NOTHING imagine the Leafs would go 11-1

But I love it. Keep on ignoring us playing like that, the longer it keeps on going, the better.



This is the part that I don't get from the Kovacevic and Chisholm supports camp. Who cares? I'd understand it if we'd lack defenseman or would have a problem with our d-corp but we're coming off a #1 defensive team of the leage regular season and are 11-1 to start the following season with Fleury and Heinola not even getting into the team. Why would we care about freaking Kovacevic or Chisholm? Great for them if they found their place in the league. But what does it matter to us?

Of course there should be an element of 'who cares', even if we were not 11-1 right now. That won't last. What about the last several years? What about the question of why the home grown talent couldn't be recognized? There are legitimate questions.

I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Not because we are 11-1. That is only temporary anyway. But because our D corps is looking pretty good right now and we appear to have some decent depth as well as a couple of promising prospects in the system. So, who cares?

 

[GJF]

Unintentional post, pls delete thx

 

[TS Quint]

My thoughts this morning!

Since we're 7-0, I keep on going to the main board because I am curious about "so... when does the obligatory and at some point unavoidable "Jets something something legit?" or "Coming to burn down your village" pop up. We're 11-1 and nothing. NOTHING imagine the Leafs would go 11-1

But I love it. Keep on ignoring us playing like that, the longer it keeps on going, the better.

Don't worry if they lose 3 games in a row you will see the Jets world coming to an end on the main board.

 

[voyageur]

My thoughts this morning!

Since we're 7-0, I keep on going to the main board because I am curious about "so... when does the obligatory and at some point unavoidable "Jets something something legit?" or "Coming to burn down your village" pop up. We're 11-1 and nothing. NOTHING imagine the Leafs would go 11-1

But I love it. Keep on ignoring us playing like that, the longer it keeps on going, the better.



This is the part that I don't get from the Kovacevic and Chisholm supports camp. Who cares? I'd understand it if we'd lack defenseman or would have a problem with our d-corp but we're coming off a #1 defensive team of the leage regular season and are 11-1 to start the following season with Fleury and Heinola not even getting into the team. Why would we care about freaking Kovacevic or Chisholm? Great for them if they found their place in the league. But what does it matter to us?

I think anything on the main boards would inevitably turn into an attendance discussion. If the Jets can't support the best team in the league what happens when they are bad? Have to stay humble, fans around the league notices us, but don't really take the Jets seriously given their recent playoff fallouts. So to boast would be bold. Just keep winning though.

 

[voyageur]

Agreed, they just went out and chased big names instead of actually addressing needs. For instance they paid a bundle for an aging Stamkos and don't even use him in his customary PP role because Forsberg plays that spot. You brought him for his specialist abilities and then negate them with deployment. Seems like a terrible job at identifying team needs.

They are an old and slow team that isn't built to compliment each other.



We will definitely get some regression at some point but the good news for me is that the teams 5 on 5 game is trending in the right direction, so if that keeps up then even of our shooting normalizes stronger team play should offset it a bit.

Is the shooting percentage the result of being a better zone possession team? 4th line can pin opponents in their end. 3rd line grinds out some pretty strong shifts. Top line can hold the puck for sustained time. 2nd scoring line has all kinds of skill and the ability to pinch down with the 3rd d pairing often.

The passing is more direct it seems and supported, and the tendency is to work the puck behind the goal line and along the boards, with support. Seeing Ehlers in front of the net last game, playing behind the goal line, I definitely think Arniel is pushing his players to get closer to the net, and get shots with some traffic.

 

[surixon]

Is the shooting percentage the result of being a better zone possession team? 4th line can pin opponents in their end. 3rd line grinds out some pretty strong shifts. Top line can hold the puck for sustained time. 2nd scoring line has all kinds of skill and the ability to pinch down with the 3rd d pairing often.

The passing is more direct it seems and supported, and the tendency is to work the puck behind the goal line and along the boards, with support. Seeing Ehlers in front of the net last game, playing behind the goal line, I definitely think Arniel is pushing his players to get closer to the net, and get shots with some traffic.

The top team last year only shot just under 12% all situations. We are over 15% atm. Even if we are doing things better we are still going to regress a good 20 plus % there just to get to a realistic top of the league shooting %.

 

[Thechozen1]

I think anything on the main boards would inevitably turn into an attendance discussion. If the Jets can't support the best team in the league what happens when they are bad? Have to stay humble, fans around the league notices us, but don't really take the Jets seriously given their recent playoff fallouts. So to boast would be bold. Just keep winning though.

Fans Keep mouths shut and players keep their noses to the grindstone. Let their game do the talking or not in game 83 and beyond.

 

[Jets 31]

The top team last year only shot just under 12% all situations. We are over 15% atm. Even if we are doing things better we are still going to regress a good 20 plus % there just to get to a realistic top of the league shooting %.

I agree but i also think Helly is going to get better which will definitely help when our shooting comes down.

 

[Buffdog]

The top team last year only shot just under 12% all situations. We are over 15% atm. Even if we are doing things better we are still going to regress a good 20 plus % there just to get to a realistic top of the league shooting %.

We've had 388 shots for so far, and that's resulted in 59 goals for. We've given up 30 against, for a goal differential of +29

Had we shot at that 12%, we'd have 48 goals for (goal differential of +18)

Of our 11 wins, only 5 have been by one goal. 6 wins have been by 3 goals or more

Depending on when those shots wouldn't have gone in, it's *possible* that we'd have the same record (though not likely)

Of course, that's just a look at the numbers and doesn't take into account the effects a goal has on momentum of the game, etc

We've been that dominant

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

We've had 388 shots for so far, and that's resulted in 59 goals for. We've given up 30 against, for a goal differential of +29

Had we shot at that 12%, we'd have 48 goals for (goal differential of +18)

Of our 11 wins, only 5 have been by one goal. 6 wins have been by 3 goals or more

Depending on when those shots wouldn't have gone in, it's *possible* that we'd have the same record (though not likely)

Of course, that's just a look at the numbers and doesn't take into account the effects a goal has on momentum of the game, etc

We've been that dominant

It’s high quality shots vs shoot from everywhere.

Seems jets are getting way more dangerous chances.

Third line is Just vicious on some of the cycles.

 

[Gm0ney]

In the first 12 games, the Jets have scored 4 empty net goals (and not yet given up a goal when the other team has the extra attacker).

But when the Jets have the empty net, they've score 6 goals and allowed 1? That seems like a lot for just 12 games. But I guess that includes extra attacker on delayed penalties (we scored in OT on a 4 on 3, and at least twice on delayed penalties...so that's 3).

 

[RustyCat]

The most interesting narrative to me is how the Jets are 11-1 and somehow perceived as an underdog, a page 11 story in the paper.

One take might be to get upset that no one cares or is written off as a sub-story, but I see it as a wonderful tactical advantage from a coaching and motivational point of view. The ebbs and flows are not as extreme or documented in this market, which offers a rather interesting position to work from. Managing motivation and adversity requires less pivoting and caretaking. And it runs in lockstep with TNSE/Chevy & Co's emphasis on cultural identity and cohesiveness, and prioritizing character. I find it fascinating.

 

[Daximus]

The most interesting narrative to me is how the Jets are 11-1 and somehow perceived as an underdog, a page 11 story in the paper.

One take might be to get upset that no one cares or is written off as a sub-story, but I see it as a wonderful tactical advantage from a coaching and motivational point of view. The ebbs and flows are not as extreme or documented in this market, which offers a rather interesting position to work from. Managing motivation and adversity requires less pivoting and caretaking. And it runs in lockstep with TNSE/Chevy & Co's emphasis on cultural identity and cohesiveness, and prioritizing character. I find it fascinating.

I think a lot of people didn't have very high expectations of us this season either. We have yet to prove we can do anything with a good season recently in the playoffs. People have been burned lately by overrating what the previous seasons teams were capable of.

I think most thought we would be a playoff team likely fighting for a 2-4 spot in the Central and be one and done in the first round. So they aren't ready to hitch their wagon to the team just yet. The hype will build eventually if this train keeps rolling so a lose or two might be good to just keep that from happening.

I feel like the team just plays better and works harder when the hype train is firmly parked at the station.

 

[Cypruss]

Leaf's Matthews to miss the game tonight with an "Upper body Injury"

Since always so vague, assume its a bad upper body related case of "swollen nostrils"?

 

[JetsFan815]

I'm definitely haply for both players and wanted to keep them. I just think these models are so flawed.

I mean how can you rate a dmen close to the top in dmen scoring while beating his much tougher matchups as a below replacement level player? It just doesn't pass the sniff test to me.

If you are asking about Pionk being so low, it is because sG uses the previous season as a fairly strong prior. Considering how rough he was last season, it is waiting for him to have this improved performance over a longer time period before it starts giving him credit for it rather than thinking it being somewhat of a mirage.

Whereas with Kovacevic it is seeing his good results last season, and now very good results again this season with more icetime and that is making it believe in Kova (it thought he was good last season and now he's doing even better with more icetime so it is more eager to give him credit for it relative to Pionk). I agree about Chisholm though, it is too early to say anything meaningful about him.

There are other stats like GAR/xGAR that don't do this. They have their pros and cons.

 

[surixon]

If you are asking about Pionk being so low, it is because sG uses the previous season as a fairly strong prior. Considering how rough he was last season, it is waiting for him to have this improved performance over a longer time period before it starts giving him credit for it rather than thinking it being somewhat of a mirage.

Whereas with Kovacevic it is seeing his good results last season, and now very good results again this season with more icetime and that is making it believe in Kova (it thought he was good last season and now he's doing even better with more icetime so it is more eager to give him credit for it relative to Pionk). I agree about Chisholm though, it is too early to say anything meaningful about him.

There are other stats like GAR/xGAR that don't do this. They have their pros and cons.

All models will have their issues. My thing is how useful is it if it's not actually showing how the player is performing. It may be a mirage but the performance at current is still miles better then a below replacement player. Last year is completely irrelevant in terms of this year's actual performance.

 

[Jets 31]

Leaf's Matthews to miss the game tonight with an "Upper body Injury"

Since always so vague, assume its a bad upper body related case of "swollen nostrils"?

One reason i read was he has a upper body injury, no heart.