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Lunatik

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I said it last year: the issues that led to the Devils' goaltending stats last year were extremely similar to what the Flames were doing in 2022-23. Break but don't bend defence.

Haven't really seen them this season yet, but I'm not overly shocked by what is happening.
Their defense is soft as baby shit. Hughes, Nemec and Casey don't use their bodies either to hit or get in shooting lanes... Hughes gives the puck away like candy to trick-or-treaters... Hamilton is Hamilton, we've experienced that ride.... Pesce is like a dollar store Tanev IMO....

When Siegenthaler and Kovacevic lead your defense in ESTOI, you done f***ed up somewhere.
 

Mobiandi

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Markstrom hasn’t been good since the Oilers found him out. He’ll make some nice ten-bell saves but you’re always holding your breath waiting for a softy now

And if the other team’s shot count is low, you’re probably holding at least 3-4 goals. He has never done well with lower shot volumes
 

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Markstrom hasn’t been good since the Oilers found him out. He’ll make some nice ten-bell saves but you’re always holding your breath waiting for a softy now

And if the other team’s shot count is low, you’re probably holding at least 3-4 goals. He has never done well with lower shot volumes
Claiming Markstrom wasn't good last year is objectively bullshit.
 
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Markstrom hasn’t been good since the Oilers found him out. He’ll make some nice ten-bell saves but you’re always holding your breath waiting for a softy now

And if the other team’s shot count is low, you’re probably holding at least 3-4 goals. He has never done well with lower shot volumes
The Oilers didn't figure Markstrom out, they figured the Flames' system out.

Sending McDavid in on breakaways and odd man rushes isn't a gameplan decision made because they were playing Markstrom. :laugh:
 

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The Oilers didn't figure Markstrom out, they figured the Flames' system out.

Sending McDavid in on breakaways and odd man rushes isn't a gameplan decision made because they were playing Markstrom. :laugh:
The Flames defence was bad against the Oil but so was Markstrom.

He’s been bad every other year since we signed him.

20/21 he was 85th in goals saved above expected. Largely the reason the team missed the playoffs. .904 sv%
21/22 he was 12th in GSAA, and got a Vézina nomination. .922 sv%

As for 22/23. He was like 96th of 100 goalies in GSAA that year. The amount of soft goals (ie unblocked wrist shots from the top of the circle) he let in was astronomical. .892sv%

Last year he was like 8th in GSAA. He played well last year. .904sv%

Weird how the eye tests match the fancy stats…. Really the only year the Flames didn’t defend well was last year and you can see that reflected in the stats. Lower sv % but higher GSAA

He’s at -4 GSAA expected so far this year which is brutal and near the bottom of the league.
 

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The Oilers didn't figure Markstrom out, they figured the Flames' system out.

Sending McDavid in on breakaways and odd man rushes isn't a gameplan decision made because they were playing Markstrom. :laugh:
Did we watch the same games 1, 2, 4, and 5?

Any time the Flames a lead or a modicum of momentum, Markstrom pulled out the rug from under the skaters.

Smith let in a goal from the opposing blueline and he still wasn’t the worst goaltender in that game.
 
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Did we watch the same games 1, 2, 4, and 5?

Any time the Flames a lead or a modicum of momentum, Markstrom pulled out the rug from under the skaters.

Smith let in a goal from the opposing blueline and he still wasn’t the worst goaltender in that game.
Yeah, nah. I did a lot of yelling at my TV screen during that series, but it was directed at Markstrom basically only during Game 1 when he let in those two Hyman goals that no NHL goalie should be allowing, and then the Kane goal in Game 4 that, at the time, seemed like a dagger. Vast majority of the yelling was because the way the Flames were defending against McDavid and Draisaitl without use of their brains.

And it's not just about what I watched at the time. I've gone back and re-watched the highlights from every game just to make sure I'm not talking out of my ass because this topic gets me so hot.

Game 1 had some level of "Cam Talbot single-handedly losing Game 6 against Dallas" or "Brian Elliott single-handedly losing the series to the Ducks" kind of goaltending from Markstrom, but it really was restricted to only those two Hyman goals. The rest of them were the start of an even more important trend: Oilers getting inside the Flames defence with, or preceding, the puck. Two of the goals featured McDavid walking in on Markstrom, and one featured a Draisaitl breakaway.

Game 2 had no actual "bad goals." Arguably the worst was a low-circle one-timer by Keith while Markstrom was respecting near post against McDavid. But.... if McDavid is being allowed time and space right near the goal, you kind of do need to prioritize that if you're the goalie.

Flames allowed at least 5 guys to walk in alone on Markstrom during the game just based on the highlights. Teams should aim to allow zero breakaways in a game. That is obviously the number one issue that was developing at this point in the series.

Game 3: you could debate the first goal, but this game had Kane score a hat-trick off odd-man rushes. A memorable moment that has stuck in my memory since this game is the second of the three: Hanifin attempting to stand up McDavid at the red line and getting (as the kids say) cooked. Immediate two-on-one and a back-door tap-in. And this isn't even mentioning the big saves which Markstrom made in between on further breakdowns. Pretty clear at this point what the big issue is.

Thinking about the way you're describing the series, I would say you are probably basing your memory exclusively on Game 4. I think the Kane goal would have been disappointing to everyone, especially when Markstrom had already cost the team one goal from the drop with a puck-handling mistake. That said, this game featured the emergence of a new strategy for the Oilers based around their ability to get inside Flames defenders: stand a guy beside the back post, shoot it at his crest, and have him whack in the rebound. The Oilers went ahead and scored two goals this way in Game 4 and another in Game 5.

Long story short, the thing the Oilers "figured out" during the series was a) how to get odd-man rushes and breakaways against the high-press Flames defensive system and b) how to get inside the Flames' defence around the crease and then take advantage of that. Neither of these has anything to do with ways to beat the goalie. That's just how to beat a team in general.
 
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We scored 2 (two) ES goals in 4 (four) games but the Anaheim series is on Elliott. Sure.
My memory of that series is actually pretty faded, but I remember a couple of things: I think it was Game 3 we had a 4-1 lead, and let in two of the worst goals imaginable as part of the comeback to lose 5-4 (including the GWG). And then I remember the start of Game 4 featuring a puck just thrown into his feet from the half-wall and going in. This was about as bad a goaltending performance as we've seen in Calgary in recent years.

Markstrom's worst goal of the Edmonton series (ignoring the puck-handling gaffe) was the Kane goal. Elliott let in three worse goals than that in about a 30 minute stretch of hockey to effectively end the Flames' season.
 
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