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Seeing Vinnie Hinostroza on PP1 for Minnesota...I don't even know the words to describe that.
Around the NHL: 2024-25 Season, Are You Not Entertained?
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MarkusKetterer
Shoulda got one game in
TheMistyStranger
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Further evidence that our collectively shared hallucination of a simulation needs a reboot.
Post Traumatic Sabres Disorder.
Entirely worth the price of taking my wife and friend to the Utah game tonight to see Justin Kea get hit in the nads with a puck. Don't hate the guy, but don't love the guy
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
Things go from bad to worse for Canucks' Elias Pettersson
First he wasn’t skating. Now he’s not shooting. The hope that Elias Pettersson, liberated from season-long drama by the trade of J.T. Miller on Jan. 31, might be re-energized and re-launch his difficult season has dissipated in February.
a change of scenery may do him good.Things go from bad to worse for Canucks' Elias Pettersson
First he wasn’t skating. Now he’s not shooting. The hope that Elias Pettersson, liberated from season-long drama by the trade of J.T. Miller on Jan. 31, might be re-energized and re-launch his difficult season has dissipated in February.www.sportsnet.ca
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
The tough part is that he did not look good with Sweden at the 4 Nations, either.
Whether he stays or moves, there is a boatload of work he needs to do in order to get back to being worth $11M per year and a core top line C.
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
Bruins Signing Elias Lindholm Proving to Be a Costly Mistake - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More
The Boston Bruins made a costly gamble when they signed Elias Lindholm to a long contract this offseason; one that seems unlikely to pay off.
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Bruins Signing Elias Lindholm Proving to Be a Costly Mistake - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More
The Boston Bruins made a costly gamble when they signed Elias Lindholm to a long contract this offseason; one that seems unlikely to pay off.
Seeing a player struggle in his 1st year after a big UFA year its pretty common. The issue is that he and Zacha are not 1A/1B centers like they have them.
But, the cap going up to 100M+ is going to bail the bruins out of this one. And quickly.
I still want to know about the knee.
And the risk associated with the contract continues to loom - is someone willing to fork over that money to take on that risk? I know NHL GMs can make or break their teams on their gambles but that's a lot of money to gamble on for any team.
It also means if the Canucks do investigate moving him, from a hockey trade perspective, his value is going to be even lower based on post-injury performance and his pending cost.
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
That will be really interesting calculus for Vancouver. If they keep him through the TDL and he continues to struggle the remainder of the season, I wonder what the trade offers are like heading into the draft.
They may need to bet on keeping him and trying to get him back into some sort of quality form as they potentially could get what they got for Miller back for EP40 and OOF....
jc17
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That's the kicker best case scenario you're getting an 11m player for 11 and worst you're getting a 7 for 11.
Hard not to have recency bias, a few weeks ago I felt really open to it, but seems like so many red flags
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Zman5778
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Should have been more. That was a purely predatory hit. Nothing remotely clean about it.
Der Jaeger
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This situation screams “change of scenery.”Things go from bad to worse for Canucks' Elias Pettersson
First he wasn’t skating. Now he’s not shooting. The hope that Elias Pettersson, liberated from season-long drama by the trade of J.T. Miller on Jan. 31, might be re-energized and re-launch his difficult season has dissipated in February.
Also, Pettersson should start seeing a cognitive performance coach if he is t already.
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
Maybe.
His Edge stats are considerably worse in 2024-25 than the prior three seasons.
@Chainshot asking about his health is a valid concern. Maybe it is that he is choosing not to make the same effort as he has in the past. But, there is a chance that he physically can't put out that kind of effort due to the lingering knee injury.
Another red flag for me is that he was a complete no show for Team Sweden at the 4 Nations.
If all he needed was a change of scenery, then I would have expected him to play like a man possessed for Sweden. But, he seemed pretty checked out by a lot of accounts. I mean, look at that FaceOff%.
If you can't motivate yourself to be competitive at the dot when wearing the Tre Kronor...
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
Der Jaeger
Generational EBUG
Maybe. But that's not how a lot of people work. The stats don't precede the problem or the solution. The stats are an outcome of a problem or a solution.
You might be right, and it might be an effort issue. However, most people don't wake up and decide to be half-a$$ed. There's usually a reason. Something caused Pettersson to check out. His GM doesn't speak glowingly about him, so maybe it is effort. But if there was damage done during the JT Miller time, it doesn't just go away.
Just flying to Montreal and Boston and playing for Team Sweden may not be enough if he's got confidence issues, etc that came from being in the locker room with Miller and those that sided with Miller.
None of us know him personally, so we won't know until he gets traded and the story comes out. If I were Adams, I'd use some contacts to discreetly find out what's really going on. If Pettersson is just a guy who got his money and got lazy, so be it. Avoid him. But if he's got issues that are stemming from locker room conflict, I'd think about a trade.
As an aside, I've worked with a lot of Swedes through my time in a NATO position. They are typically quiet and very professional. They also tend to be grinders who get the job done and don't complain. That's why Brian Burke said he wanted farm kids first and then Swedes.
For a Swede, if there is any criticism given, it's given in private and not done in an embarrassing way. I'm giving Pettersson a lot of slack here because what we know about Miller and what the GM has said in the media would shut down a lot of Swedes I've worked with, who are really bad-a$$ combat types.
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
I was pointing out that we don't know if the problem is mental, physical, or some combination of both.
We know he had lingering knee tendonitis last year that was affecting him into this offseason.
We also know about the ongoing issues with JT Miller.
But, we also know that the trade of Miller and the change of scenery last week in playing for Team Sweden did not yield short term improvements.
So, that points to issues that perhaps a change of scenery may not mean immediate improvement. If it is a physical issue that is a sizable factor, then a trade is highly unlikely to help.
Der Jaeger
Generational EBUG
If it's physical, then sure, change of scenery makes no sense and won't yield results.
If he's got a confidence issue (to put something tangible into the term medical), then it's going to take time to fix and likely isn't going to happen in Vancouver given the current situation. It'd likely take a trade to somewhere where he can rebuild himself mentally, which will also take time.
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
Buffalo hasn't exactly shown a proficiency to allow players to rebuild broken confidence...
