Around the NHL: 2024-25 Season, Are You Not Entertained?

Jim Bob

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Miller has basically worn out his welcome in 2 (3?) different places now. If I'm Vancouver, Miller is absolutely the guy I'm trading.
I don't know it is that simple.

I think there is a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes in Vancouver that makes this decision tough. The fact that they gave Pettersson the bag and they made some offseason moves that he reportedly asked for and he's still not playing in the sand box with Miller has to be ticking off the Canucks brass.
 

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I don't know it is that simple.

I think there is a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes in Vancouver that makes this decision tough. The fact that they gave Pettersson the bag and they made some offseason moves that he reportedly asked for and he's still not playing in the sand box with Miller has to be ticking off the Canucks brass.
Only the players are for Pettersson, not Miller. And the management is not in the room. Maybe Miller is bullying or whatever you call it, and the players see it. Jurgen Klopp if were a hockey coach wouldn't have put Miller on his team, no matter how talented he is or how much he wants to win.
 
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Jim Bob

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Only the players are for Pettersson, not Miller. And the management is not in the room. Maybe Miller is bullying or whatever you call it, and the players see it. Jurgen Klopp if I were a hockey coach wouldn't have put Miller on his team, no matter how talented he is or how much he wants to win.
I would love to get Sam Lafferty's take on whether the players are on Miller's side or Pettersson's with this whole deal.

I would not be shocked if most guys are PO'd with both of them for different reasons.
 

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I would love to get Sam Lafferty's take on whether the players are on Miller's side or Pettersson's with this whole deal.

I would not be shocked if most guys are PO'd with both of them for different reasons.
Well, how can we hear this, only if one of the reporters asks Dahlin and Lafferty's opinion about Pettersson, plus Lafferty's opinion about this situation and when it started, obviously not yesterday and the problem was already there, but it could have worsened.
 

Jim Bob

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Well, how can we hear this, only if one of the reporters asks Dahlin and Lafferty's opinion about Pettersson, plus Lafferty's opinion about this situation and when it started, obviously not yesterday and the problem was already there, but it could have worsened.
Dahlin and Lafferty won't have in depth comments on situations happening in other locker rooms to reporters.

From all the reports out of Vancouver, this has been an issue for years and not just a recent thing. The issue is that Canucks management told both of them to knock it off and work together and the situation just continues to linger and is frustrating management, coaches, and players.

Everyone knows that the team is best when they are all pulling in the same direction. But, it appears that Pettersson and Miller are unwilling to do that consistently.



That is interesting...
 

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Dahlin and Lafferty won't have in depth comments on situations happening in other locker rooms to reporters.

From all the reports out of Vancouver, this has been an issue for years and not just a recent thing. The issue is that Canucks management told both of them to knock it off and work together and the situation just continues to linger and is frustrating management, coaches, and players.

Everyone knows that the team is best when they are all pulling in the same direction. But, it appears that Pettersson and Miller are unwilling to do that consistently.



That is interesting...

Well, it happens, they are constantly in the same locker room, at training, everywhere. For a while they can ignore each other, but then it can flare up again at any moment. As Boudreau said, Pettersson needs a different approach, completely opposite to what Alvin and possibly Tocchet do, praise him and be kinder to him and he will score 100+ points for you in a season. Players are different and above all they are ordinary people with their own cockroaches in their heads and character.

What does Bennett have to do with it? Do you think that's why he doesn't score or earn points?
 

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Wait I thought that Palm trees where a thing that draws guys.
I guess it must only be the Florida Palm trees not the high tax California ones.
 

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Wait I thought that Palm trees where a thing that draws guys.
I guess it must only be the Florida Palm trees not the high tax California ones.
I’m just thinking about their GM figuring out how to game the system to be able to spend more cash when necessary…and how screwed we will be forever. Teams are actively finding ways to spend cash above the cap. We have Pegula.
 

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Jim Bob

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The Anaheim Ducks re-signed forward Frank Vatrano to a three-year extension Sunday.

Vatrano's new contract is worth $18 million and will pay him $3 million yearly in base salary, according to The Athletic's Pierre LeBrun. However, the pact reportedly carries an average annual value of $4.57 million because of $9 million in deferred salary. Starting in 2035, he will make $900,000 a year for 10 years, during which time he plans to live outside of California so he can pay less taxes on the deferred salary.

That is interesting. I wonder how the AAV worked out that way.
 
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Lower cap hit and solve tax issues?

Can you imagine?

That's really interesting (from this accountant's perspective). I am a corporate accountant, so take this with a grain of salt. I can't escape the feeling that he is going to miss out on a lot of potential returns if he just took the salary currently (despite the immediate hit on taxes).

The highest marginal tax rate in california appears to be 13.3%, Federal is 37%. So if he took his salary normally, he would net $1,509,000 per year (worst case - it would be less because of travel games). If you assume a 7% return on investment annually, he should have ~$7.2M in 2035. The value of the stated 10 year annuity even with no income taxes (assuming 7% rate of return/opportunity cost) is ~$6.3M.

It feels like a lot of weird legwork on Vatrano's end to end up with less money while having it locked up in future earnings. Compound interest is a terrible thing to waste.
 

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I think we need another thread for specific hockey things that aren’t the NHL, but until then this goes here.

And dude, your phone doesn’t go there.

Yeah, I saw that. He said that when he was getting dressed in the locker room, he accidentally knocked over the phone and it fell somewhere into his game shorts. :laugh:
 

jc17

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This dude has to be one of the worst stat guys out there

And I love even the basic numbers but he just refuses to acknowledge there's more to hockey than his "model"
 
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