Around the NHL 2024-25 regular season Part II

[jkrdevil]

i'm going to get so much shit but its a fair question to ask. just asking it doesn't mean i'm agreeing with anything he did or she didnt do but like wtf did she think was going to happen in that situation? in a perfect world you would never have to be in that situation but we dont live in a perfect world.

The woman travels with the team as part of her job and is probably friendly with the players. She probably doesn’t imagine one of them is going to try and sexual assault her. Here is a likely scenario:

- Player steals phone.
(Time elapses).
- Player to woman: Hey, I found your phone I have it secured in my room if you want to come and get it.
- Woman goes to the room to get it and is pinned to bed by player.

The woman has just been assaulted by the team’s best player and is afraid to report it because she would probably lose her job vs them getting rid of their best player (while the team is leading the league). Fast forward to the plane/meds incident and now she probably believes she is being targeted because of the earlier incident and the team is looking for an excuse to fire her to make that go away. She now comes forward.

That makes perfect sense to me.

 

[forceten]

Let me guess, I actually pushed you down the stairs?

While sexually assaulting me! You touched my boobs

 

[Devils731]

i wasn’t referring to you, and its not. i can’t claim that Quick put googley eyes on my testicles and go pick up a check.

You probably could if your story could plausibly have happened or if MSG thinks the press would publish the information.

If you went to the press with a silly story nobody would believe then MSG wouldn’t care and the press wouldn’t publish.

If you had a story that could be plausible and would end up in the press then yes a NDA and payout would be reasonable from the companies perspective.

 

[MasterofGrond]

it's always so soothing when i mosey on over to the main board and read a post by somebody with terrible hockey opinions and find out they also have terrible political/general human decency opinions.

 

[My3Sons]

You probably could if your story could plausibly have happened or if MSG thinks the press would publish the information.

If you went to the press with a silly story nobody would believe then MSG wouldn’t care and the press wouldn’t publish.

If you had a story that could be plausible and would end up in the press then yes a NDA and payout would be reasonable from the companies perspective.

there is a difference between a $25 payout with an NDA and a $250k payout with an NDA. Without knowing how much cash accompanies the NDA it's hard to evaluate the situation.

 

[jkrdevil]

Given MSG settled before a formal lawsuit was filed, I’m going to guess the potential plaintiff had strong evidence and the settlement was substantial.

 

[Davegarri]

I did not have Panarin sexual assault scandal on my bingo card

f*** that guy and that franchise

 

[Satans Hockey]

"On Wednesday, the Rangers announced Panarin was named the team’s MVP for the 2024-25 season."

Guess MVP stands for most valuable predator.

 

[NjDevsRR]

"On Wednesday, the Rangers announced Panarin was named the team’s MVP for the 2024-25 season."

Guess MVP stands for most valuable predator.

Artemi Panarin voted MVP and Good Guy by Rangers Media

Despite the season being one game from over, New York Rangers' team-leader Artemi Panarin still managed to notch two more awards into his belt. Panarin — a left

bluelinestation.com

Womp

 

[Satans Hockey]

Artemi Panarin voted MVP and Good Guy by Rangers Media

Despite the season being one game from over, New York Rangers' team-leader Artemi Panarin still managed to notch two more awards into his belt. Panarin — a left

bluelinestation.com

Womp

Lol "good guy" that aged well

 

[NJDevs26]

That's the kind of stuff that makes me roll my eyes almost as much as the actual details of the accusation, the two-facedness of being able to be 'the good guy' in public while being an apparent monster in private, a la Bill Cosby.

 

[Triumph]

Not to distract from how shitty Panarin is, but is this the first season that the Devils made the playoffs and all 3 other 'local' teams missed? (Rangers, Islanders, Flyers). I can't think of another year where that happened - the Flyers made it all those years between 97 and 2004 where the Rangers and Islanders were bad.

 

[Devils731]

Not to distract from how shitty Panarin is, but is this the first season that the Devils made the playoffs and all 3 other 'local' teams missed? (Rangers, Islanders, Flyers). I can't think of another year where that happened - the Flyers made it all those years between 97 and 2004 where the Rangers and Islanders were bad.

Yes, I think so. Broadcast said it was 2 games ago.

 

[HBK27]

oh i believe there was an nda- i mean, i had to sign one when i left msg back in the 2010's and to the best of my recollection nobody sexually assaulted me. but dolan isn't blanket paying out on any claims that come across his desk, that's not SOP. for them to pay, have an nda signed, and oh by the way stop the social media team from traveling with the rangers is pretty damning. i'm not sure how anyone could blame the victim here.

I haven't seen anything so far from Panarin's side disputing that the alleged victim was in his hotel room the night of the alleged assault. Once that is established, then it becomes a he-said, she-said situation as there are no witnesses in the room.

Now, do I personally believe that the allegations against Panarin are true? Yes, I do.

Presumably the Rangers/MSG employees do as well. But even if they didn't for some reason - how is there any way for Panarin to disprove them? He already confirms that she's in his room that night and the allegation that he pinned her down against her will would not leave any physical evidence. So there is absolutely no way for anyone besides Panarin and the alleged victim to actually know what happened that night.

People (rightfully) tend to believe the alleged victim in these types of scenarios since they are telling the truth a vast, vast majority of the time - but to pretend that there's a 0.000% chance that Panarin might actually be innocent of these allegations is also a bit naive. I certainly think he did it, but I don't know he did it.

 

[jkrdevil]

Not to distract from how shitty Panarin is, but is this the first season that the Devils made the playoffs and all 3 other 'local' teams missed? (Rangers, Islanders, Flyers). I can't think of another year where that happened - the Flyers made it all those years between 97 and 2004 where the Rangers and Islanders were bad.

Well from 82-93 it was literally impossible.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Absolute garbage from NYR

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

i'm going to get so much shit but its a fair question to ask. just asking it doesn't mean i'm agreeing with anything he did or she didnt do but like wtf did she think was going to happen in that situation? in a perfect world you would never have to be in that situation but we dont live in a perfect world.

Why would she bring someone to a player's room for a sports team she works for to retrieve her phone? Wtf lmao

 

[NJDevs26]

Well the reason people tend to believe the alleged victim is they generally have more to lose from going public and a large segment of the population won't believe them anyway unless there's actual physical or video evidence. I don't really get the cries of well she's just saying this for the money because even in a best-case where you get a payout, you also get scarlet lettered in public as a whistle blower and golddigger.

Plus in Panarin's case he's already had at least one sketchy incident in his past that most of us wanted to ascribe to Russia smearing him, which isn't exactly unprecedented either. But something like this makes you more prone to believe the other stuff that was alleged about him too.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

oh...kay?

 

[Oneiro]

I don't know man, seems rich, even if he's improved.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

This happening in December 2023 when they were legit an awesome team gives the victim more credence too. If it comes to the light when they were legit good last year, management and ownership probably doesn't want their best player in this news and derailing what they had as sinister as that sounds. At the end of the day, it's a result based business and profits get put over people.

 

[JrFischer54]

Why would she bring someone to a player's room for a sports team she works for to retrieve her phone? Wtf lmao

sure

 

[My3Sons]

This happening in December 2023 when they were legit an awesome team gives the victim more credence too. If it comes to the light when they were legit good last year, management and ownership probably doesn't want their best player in this news and derailing what they had as sinister as that sounds. At the end of the day, it's a result based business and profits get put over people.

Ultimately every large scale business puts profits over people on some level. Our system not only encourages that it sort of demands it in my view.

 

[njdevils1982]

the issue may boil down to the nature of this sort of litigation. In a civil setting there might be only one real opportunity to get rid of a lawsuit like this. The Motion for Summary Judgment is the best tool for the defense. But typically it is decided based only on what the parties can agree happened factually. So if there is a he said she said it is supposed to be denied. At that point, the defendant is facing a public trial and the folks in the jury box are 12 people who could not get out of jury duty. Now, depending upon the circumstances the defendant may want to take that chance. Without knowing the amount of the settlement we cannot really be sure who had the better of the circumstantial evidence. Maybe there were witnesses to the phone theft and maybe there were witnesses to the entry and exit from the hotel room? We will never know. I think the worst part of this is team's reaction of punishing the social media group from traveling with the team. How about the entire organization behaves professionally? Is that really too much to ask? Let people of all roles do their jobs in peace.

 

[My3Sons]

Usually they can just write a letter to the court with a flimsy excuse but that will work as well. Beyond that, no lawyer calls themselves "counselor".