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[SirPaste]

How many teams would you argue he seriously should have won a cup with?

New Jersey and SJ weren’t beating LA and Pittsburgh. Him getting NJ that far in the first place was a surprise.

I’m not sure 2017-2018 SJ would have beat if they had advanced over Vegas.

2020-2021 Vegas was probably his best team and should have won the West. Beating Tampa would have been tough, but they were capable of winning it all that year.

Otherwise, I don’t think his teams are constructed to go that far and win.

Those Sharks teams were absolutely constructed to win it all, and I would argue they def had a better team on paper than us in 2019 however we beat the hell out of them, I would argue any of those Sharks teams he coached that nobody would have been surprised if they won the cup. SJ, Vegas, Dallas were all Cup Contenders and built to win it all with him at the helm. NJ that team was very good too even if not a cup contender.

 

[BrokenFace]

This is gonna be interesting…

Sucks being a goalie and taking so much of the blame. Dallas had 4 shots on goal in the 3rd period in each of the last 3 games and only scored 5 total goals in those 3 games, but it's easier to blame the goalie than a collection of underperforming skaters. Reminds me of Bruins fans who think Rask wasn't good enough for a cup, but completely miss that he was the best Bruin in 2019.

 

[Louie the Blue]

Those Sharks teams were absolutely constructed to win it all, and I would argue they def had a better team on paper than us in 2019 however we beat the hell out of them, I would argue any of those Sharks teams he coached that nobody would have been surprised if they won the cup. SJ, Vegas, Dallas were all Cup Contenders and built to win it all with him at the helm. NJ that team was very good too even if not a cup contender.

Those Sharks teams relied on an aging core at the tail end of its lifespan, which is why the Sharks are where they are. Additionally, SJ wasn’t beating Pittsburgh or Boston during that timespan. Maybe they beat Washington.

Dallas would not fair well against Florida barring an Oettinger legacy series and Edmonton has two generational forwards. Dallas does not and has massive issues on defense.

His best team was in Vegas, and I agree, he wasted it.

 

[SirPaste]

Those Sharks teams relied on an aging core at the tail end of its lifespan, which is why the Sharks are where they are. Additionally, SJ wasn’t beating Pittsburgh or Boston during that timespan. Maybe they beat Washington.

Dallas would not fair well against Florida barring an Oettinger legacy series and Edmonton has two generational forwards. Dallas does not and has massive issues on defense.

His best team was in Vegas, and I agree, he wasted it.

Dallas was a lot of people's cup favorites this year, most people expected them to beat the Oilers but were complete no shows in the conference finals. I guess I just generally disagree with how you so flippantly say none of those teams could have won any of those series, those teams were all considered cup contenders and were either in the Finals or Conference Finals so had the opportunity to win those series. Blues were underdogs in every series when they won in 2019, so the same things could have been said about them but they went out and won anyway, so I just disagree with the general idea they couldn't have beaten any of those other teams you mentioned.

 

[Brian39]

I think there is an extremely good chance that DeBoer lost his job last night. Absolute disasterclass in managing your goalies.

I think it was stupid to pull him at all. Those two goals were certainly not soft and both were from complete defensive breakdowns in front of him. I can see an argument that he didn't look like he had his A game, but I think he's good enough that you give him the benefit of the doubt. But if you want to lift him, he did it just about the worst possible way.

He completely wasted his timeout. Putting in the backup (especially early in a game when it is unexpected) basically gives you a free timeout. Make sure the trainer takes a little bit longer than needed to grab the helmet. Make sure DeSmith knows to adjust the strap on his glove while he waits for the 'right' helmet. If you're changing the goalie early in a game that is getting away from you, at least do it so you keep your timeout.

Did it change the momentum and wake the team up? Nope. And then DeSmith promptly allowed a puck to get through/under him as he was blindly sliding around trying to find the puck and the game is 3-0. No timeout remaining, your worse goalie in net, and an even deeper hole. Incredible work.

And then post-game he throws Otter under the bus instead of giving the easy "trying to change momentum" answer. Franchise goalie is almost certainly super pissed and the coach threw gasoline on the fire instead of backing him publicly. Just brutal.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Disasterclass!!!!!!

LOVE IT!!!

Brian made a funny.

 

[BlueOil]

deboer pulling oettinger made no sense. he wasn't playing badly enough to warrant it and it was too early to pull him to send a message to the team. deboer pulled the trigger too fast trying to be bold and shot himself in the foot. desmith giving up a goal worse than either one oettinger let in sealed that fateful decision immediately. dallas should move on from deboer because i think he's scapegoating oettinger instead of owning that and a team should not like that lack of integrity from their head coach. i'm not sure how they find a better coach though in the off season, so a bit of a catch 22.

it's the second dumbest coaching move in this playoffs, right behind hiller challenging for goaltender interference.

 

[Itsnotatrap]

I think there is an extremely good chance that DeBoer lost his job last night. Absolute disasterclass in managing your goalies.

I think it was stupid to pull him at all. Those two goals were certainly not soft and both were from complete defensive breakdowns in front of him. I can see an argument that he didn't look like he had his A game, but I think he's good enough that you give him the benefit of the doubt. But if you want to lift him, he did it just about the worst possible way.

He completely wasted his timeout. Putting in the backup (especially early in a game when it is unexpected) basically gives you a free timeout. Make sure the trainer takes a little bit longer than needed to grab the helmet. Make sure DeSmith knows to adjust the strap on his glove while he waits for the 'right' helmet. If you're changing the goalie early in a game that is getting away from you, at least do it so you keep your timeout.

Did it change the momentum and wake the team up? Nope. And then DeSmith promptly allowed a puck to get through/under him as he was blindly sliding around trying to find the puck and the game is 3-0. No timeout remaining, your worse goalie in net, and an even deeper hole. Incredible work.

And then post-game he throws Otter under the bus instead of giving the easy "trying to change momentum" answer. Franchise goalie is almost certainly super pissed and the coach threw gasoline on the fire instead of backing him publicly. Just brutal.

Agree on all counts, but it’s that postgame handling of it that I would presume seals his fate. You could spin it in the postgame the way most coaches usually do and have a decent chance to mitigate it since they were in fact down 2-0 in a blink.

He let his ego get in way of what was pragmatic at the end, and while thats inherently human nature, it sure burns down the house if his star goalie isn’t a hell of a lot more mature and professional about it than he is.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

As some discussed here a while ago, Toews will be back in the league next season.

Or send him to Nashville. He can’t help anyone win now.

 

[Bluesfan54]

Agree on all counts, but it’s that postgame handling of it that I would presume seals his fate. You could spin it in the postgame the way most coaches usually do and have a decent chance to mitigate it since they were in fact down 2-0 in a blink.

He let his ego get in way of what was pragmatic at the end, and while thats inherently human nature, it sure burns down the house if his star goalie isn’t a hell of a lot more mature and professional about it than he is.

Just to make it more fun, Oettinger’s new 8-year 8+ million dollar contract kicks in next year. Somebody’s got to go, and it ain’t gonna be him.

 

[shpongle falls]

That was the most boneheaded coaching that I’ve seen for a minute, what an ass hat lol.

 

[Beninnola]

Deboer has lost 6 of his last 6 WCF series, with 3 different teams. That's a large sample size.​

-u/kaijah, Reddit

 

[ChicagoBlues]

JRob is as good as gone. Book it. Mush too. Dallas Stars are not in a good place.

I’m not the braggadocious type, but I saw this coming. They cannot keep going like this.

The Stars over performed relative to my expectations.

Keeping Benn is a real possibility, which bodes well for the rest of the Central. He’s cooked.

Sign him for 3 more years. Yes!

Nill is as good as Army, but his task is far tougher than Army’s. He will, however, figure out something that will surprise me.

Here comes the bragging part: I told ya!

 

[ChicagoBlues]

 

[ChicagoBlues]

If the Dallas Stars can get as far they have in these last two postseasons, then the Blues will also be able to do the same.

Vancouver and Calgary are the disasterclasses of the West. Still ROFL about that one.

Dallas has little trade capital and is showing signs of a re-whatever on the horizon. They’ll prolly make the playoffs next season, but they need to do some sort of re-whatever and chill for a few seasons.

Benn has been so much more than they expected and has solidified his legacy in Dallas, but, for the betterment of the team, the man needs to retire. They will probably bring him back for a 1x1, which will severely hurt their 4th line. Fine by me, but a bad move for them.

They’re old and slow. Also, Hintz has a broken foot. Hats off to him for playing anyway. He looked like he was playing with pain in G5. Very distracted.

 

[Memento]

f*** the Oilers.

Go for the repeat, Panthers! Spare us all a HF shutdown!

 

[AjaxManifesto]

I hated deBonehead when he coached the Sharks and Vegas. I was going to give him a pass as the Stars coach, but he regressed to my previous evaluation of him when his team needed him: just a pompous jackass.

 

[Beninnola]

I think the stars will improve dramatically next year: (in a friendly ordered list!)

1. Hieskanen is a legit difference maker.

2. Some of their young guys (like Hieskanen) are really good and will benefit a lot from each year they get. Wyatt Johnston should never -18 the playoffs again as an example.

3. Imo Matt Duschene changing teams is addition by subtraction. I think they need the roster churn to improve. They’re tax free; they’ll get their pick of the best available and every trade where the opposing teams player has a say will go in their favor.

4. Rantanen is a legit top 5 winger in prime age

5. If Benn signs to fill a part time role I think that’s a really big physicality advantage - and maybe he’d be modestly effective in the playoffs if he had reduced ice time. Seems like a guy who will take a team friendly deal and give everything he’s got. If that’s your extra guy that’s a really cool thing to have.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

JRob is as good as gone. Book it. Mush too. Dallas Stars are not in a good place.

I’m not the braggadocious type, but I saw this coming. They cannot keep going like this.

The Stars over performed relative to my expectations.

Keeping Benn is a real possibility, which bodes well for the rest of the Central. He’s cooked.

Sign him for 3 more years. Yes!

Nill is as good as Army, but his task is far tougher than Army’s. He will, however, figure out something that will surprise me.

Here comes the bragging part: I told ya!

Why do you think Robertson is gone? Did something happen that I don't know about?

If it was because he didn't have a great postseason it's important to remember that it's highly possible that he was rushed back due to injury and wasn't 100% for any of it.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Why do you think Robertson is gone? Did something happen that I don't know about?

If it was because he didn't have a great postseason it's important to remember that it's highly possible that he was rushed back due to injury and wasn't 100% for any of it.

Credible grumblings. Can’t really say anymore.

JRob will be shopped, Dumba is definitely out and Marchment showed next to nothing in the playoffs. JRob was one of the few Stars forwards to show up and play well in the WCF. Contract negotiations were very difficult last time with him and word is that Nill does not want to deal with again. Nill can restock the shelves a little with a good rostered player and some draft capital.

The only way I see them dramatically improving is if they get rid of a few players and sign more appropriate FAs cuz like Benninola posted, Texas is an attractive location. Dallas has at least that going for them.

They were massively exposed in the WCF.

Bichsel played well. He’s gonna be pretty good and will be a terror to the Blues for a while.

Benn needs to retire. Having him on that roster takes away from its overall effectiveness. Seguin needs to be a gentleman and retire. Won’t happen. Duchene can piss off already. Can they keep Daddy?

They definitely got their sights on a big D FA.

I wasn’t confident in the Stars last summer and I’m even less confident this summer. They got their asses handed to them by the Oilers. That was a world class whooping as if they didn’t belong there in the first place. That’s how bad the WC is.

Anyway, I’ve gone on and on about the Stars for about a year now.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Credible grumblings. Can’t really say anymore.

JRob will be shopped, Dumba is definitely out and Marchment showed next to nothing in the playoffs. JRob was one of the few Stars forwards to show up and play well in the WCF. Contract negotiations were very difficult last time with him and word is that Nill does not want to deal with again. Nill can restock the shelves a little with a good rostered player and some draft capital.

The only way I see them dramatically improving is if they get rid of a few players and sign more appropriate FAs cuz like Benninola posted, Texas is an attractive location. Dallas has at least that going for them.

They were massively exposed in the WCF.

Bichsel played well. He’s gonna be pretty good and will be a terror to the Blues for a while.

Benn needs to retire. Having him on that roster takes away from its overall effectiveness. Seguin needs to be a gentleman and retire. Won’t happen. Duchene can piss off already. Can they keep Daddy?

They definitely got their sights on a big D FA.

I wasn’t confident in the Stars last summer and I’m even less confident this summer. They got their asses handed to them by the Oilers. That was a world class whooping as if they didn’t belong there in the first place. That’s how bad the WC is.

Anyway, I’ve gone on and on about the Stars for about a year now.

Just jerkin your chain. Interested to see what happens.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

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Just jerkin your chain. Interested to see what happens.

That’s funny. Kinda looks like that dude from The Office.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

I think the stars will improve dramatically next year: (in a friendly ordered list!)

1. Hieskanen is a legit difference maker.

2. Some of their young guys (like Hieskanen) are really good and will benefit a lot from each year they get. Wyatt Johnston should never -18 the playoffs again as an example.

3. Imo Matt Duschene changing teams is addition by subtraction. I think they need the roster churn to improve. They’re tax free; they’ll get their pick of the best available and every trade where the opposing teams player has a say will go in their favor.

4. Rantanen is a legit top 5 winger in prime age

5. If Benn signs to fill a part time role I think that’s a really big physicality advantage - and maybe he’d be modestly effective in the playoffs if he had reduced ice time. Seems like a guy who will take a team friendly deal and give everything he’s got. If that’s your extra guy that’s a really cool thing to have.

#5 is exactly what is wrong with them. Florida and Edmonton are rolling four lines. PDB effectively neutered his own team by icing only three lines with Benn being an absolute dud. He’s lost it. If they re-sign him, then great. That’s just one more gun firing blanks.

Nill must finally take the plunge and reshape the roster. Texas is an attractive location, so appealing to some of the best shouldn’t be a problem. He needs to shed salary and bring in age-appropriate guys. Having geezers with kids ain’t workin’.

 

[Xanadude]

Credible grumblings. Can’t really say anymore.

JRob will be shopped, Dumba is definitely out and Marchment showed next to nothing in the playoffs. JRob was one of the few Stars forwards to show up and play well in the WCF. Contract negotiations were very difficult last time with him and word is that Nill does not want to deal with again. Nill can restock the shelves a little with a good rostered player and some draft capital.

The only way I see them dramatically improving is if they get rid of a few players and sign more appropriate FAs cuz like Benninola posted, Texas is an attractive location. Dallas has at least that going for them.

They were massively exposed in the WCF.

Bichsel played well. He’s gonna be pretty good and will be a terror to the Blues for a while.

Benn needs to retire. Having him on that roster takes away from its overall effectiveness. Seguin needs to be a gentleman and retire. Won’t happen. Duchene can piss off already. Can they keep Daddy?

They definitely got their sights on a big D FA.

I wasn’t confident in the Stars last summer and I’m even less confident this summer. They got their asses handed to them by the Oilers. That was a world class whooping as if they didn’t belong there in the first place. That’s how bad the WC is.

Anyway, I’ve gone on and on about the Stars for about a year now.

Granlund will come back to play with the Finnish all-stars on a sweetheart deal--so will Benn and Duchene if they choose to come back.

If anyone has a good chance and rationale to get Dobson, it's Dallas. Robertson for him, close to a 1 to 1--they badly, badly need RHD and Dobson is probably the best they could reasonably get.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Granlund will come back to play with the Finnish all-stars on a sweetheart deal--so will Benn and Duchene if they choose to come back.

If anyone has a good chance and rationale to get Dobson, it's Dallas. Robertson for him, close to a 1 to 1--they badly, badly need RHD and Dobson is probably the best they could reasonably get.

Agree on all except Duchene and Benn. I know Benn wants to stay, but it’s not up to him. I think they bring him back for a 1x1 and then he will retire.

And Duchene, while being a solid regular season soldier, is soft af and needs to go. They did a 1x3, but this summer will be a 1x0.

But, yes, please keep these guys. The Stars will definitely stink it up again.