Around the NHL 2024-2025

[shpongle falls]

Toronto wtf is you doing?? Coming out flat and losing 6-1 on home ice when the series was tied at 2-2? Oof.

 

[The Note]

I’ll say this: I have no idea if Steen will be any good at the job, none of us do. He could be an outright disaster. But, I’d rather see the organization take a chance on someone like him rather than hiring Ken Holland.

 

[jjniner]

Marner …. Is he really worth 12 million per?

 

[The Note]

Marner …. Is he really worth 12 million per?

He’s a 100 point, play-driving winger that gets Selke consideration. He’s gonna get paid, regardless of the postseason questions. And he’s getting more than $12.

 

[MissouriMook]

Kappy with the winner

Bye bye Vegas

Shit town

 

[LogosBlue]

I think me and Ransku were the only Mikkola fans on here.

Nope. Add me to that list.

 

[LogosBlue]

Foote taking over in Vancouver is going to be a train wreck.

 

[Eldon Reid]

Bigger bust of the draft to score GWG OT series clincher goal????

Mangus Paajarvi 10th overall
Kaspari Kapanen 22nd overall

 

[TruBlueFan1970]

Me too. His scouting report coming in was great skater, big, and physical with some smarts. I was a fan of his right away.

I remember seeing him at prospect camp his first year and he was smacking his teammates into the boards. He had some real bite to his game. He used to get bashed pretty regularly on here though.

 

[Vladys Gumption]

I remember seeing him at prospect camp his first year and he was smacking his teammates into the boards. He had some real bite to his game. He used to get bashed pretty regularly on here though.

He has good defensive instincts and can skate himself out of trouble. But to my eye he was pretty poor with the puck. He fumbled so many clearing attempts/passes.

 

[TheOrganist]

Mitch Marner here with a terrible play in a pivotal game 5. You can dissect the statistics and metrics all day, but they give you very little insight into the qualitative aspect of the sport. This type of play - in this area of the ice - at this point in the game - when the series is tied 2-2 - simply cannot happen.

Mitch Marner will be a fine complimentary winger on a good team (see 4 Nations where he had some mild success) but that's not what you're going to be paying him for. He'll be the highest paid player on your team. He'll be paid to be the leader and bring your teammates into the fight in a playoff series when the going gets tough. He & Matthews have proven continuously over their playoff careers, particularly in Games 4-7 of a series, that they are just not those guys. I've wanted absolutely no part of MM when some other posters have been bullish on him (however unrealistic it may be) as a target for the Blues. Buyer beware.

 

[MissouriMook]

He has good defensive instincts and can skate himself out of trouble. But to my eye he was pretty poor with the puck. He fumbled so many clearing attempts/passes.

Sometimes those guys settle into their game and stop treating the puck like a grenade, and sometimes they don't. I don't know if he was a throw into the Tarasenko deal with the Rangers or if they wanted him for a specific reason, but at the time he wasn't nearly the player he's been for the Panthers the last two seasons. Sometimes you trade a guy too soon (Mikkola) but that is often better than to trade him too late (Perunovich).

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

“You’ve got Elvis freaking Stojko on the top line doing pirouettes and double axels!”


Things not going well in Leaf Land right now…

I really hope they find a way to get it back to game 7 for maximum drama.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Mitch Marner will be a fine complimentary winger on a good team (see 4 Nations where he had some mild success) but that's not what you're going to be paying him for. He'll be the highest paid player on your team. He'll be paid to be the leader and bring your teammates into the fight in a playoff series when the going gets tough. He & Matthews have proven continuously over their playoff careers, particularly in Games 4-7 of a series, that they are just not those guys. I've wanted absolutely no part of MM when some other posters have been bullish on him (however unrealistic it may be) as a target for the Blues. Buyer beware.

I thought Berube would be able to coach those guys into a lunch pail mentality you need to have to win in the postseason. There has to be more patience to make the simpler less flashy play. Low event hockey.

 

[TheOrganist]

I thought Berube would be able to coach those guys into a lunch pail mentality you need to have to win in the postseason. There has to be more patience to make the simpler less flashy play. Low event hockey.

I did too...but I think the fact that Berube has not been able to get it out of them...and a warrior like Tanev has not able to get it out of them pretty much provides all the evidence you need that changes need to be made. They have a core issue. Those guys are just not winners, I'm sorry. Let Marner go. Let Tavares go. Matthews isn't going anywhere but make changes. Marner is actually making it easier for the Leaf brass to move on. That was embarrassing last night.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

I have to give Edmonton credit. I thought they were going to get exposed against Vegas, but they’re playing better and better every game.

That team expects to win. If Dallas was at full strength, they’d probably win. But the Stars have never quite gelled since the trade deadline, and not they’re working through various injuries too.

I have no respect for the Oilers front office, but I wouldn’t mind seeing them win otherwise.

 

[ScratchCatFever]

Every Leafs fan in Toronto this morning

 

[ChicagoBlues]

He has good defensive instincts and can skate himself out of trouble. But to my eye he was pretty poor with the puck. He fumbled so many clearing attempts/passes.

That was his major weakness.

 

[Majorityof1]

Mitch Marner will be a fine complimentary winger on a good team (see 4 Nations where he had some mild success) but that's not what you're going to be paying him for. He'll be the highest paid player on your team. He'll be paid to be the leader and bring your teammates into the fight in a playoff series when the going gets tough. He & Matthews have proven continuously over their playoff careers, particularly in Games 4-7 of a series, that they are just not those guys. I've wanted absolutely no part of MM when some other posters have been bullish on him (however unrealistic it may be) as a target for the Blues. Buyer beware.

Multi 90+ point, Selke nominated player is a FINE, complimentary player? I think we've lost the plot. You can argue he won't be worth the contract. But that description is utterly ridiculous for one of the 10 best wings in the game.

Things like this just show why some Blues fans will never respect a skilled, non-overtly-physicsl player. When Marner is fine and Brady Tkachuk, who has never put up 85, has only broken 70 twice and is awful defensively, is gods gift.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Multi 90+ point, Selke nominated player is a FINE, complimentary player? I think we've lost the plot. You can argue he won't be worth the contract. But that description is utterly ridiculous for one of the 10 best wings in the game.

Things like this just show why some Blues fans will never respect a skilled, non-overtly-physicsl player. When Marner is fine and Brady Tkachuk, who has never put up 85, has only broken 70 twice and is awful defensively, is gods gift.

Don’t conflate one loud obnoxious poster with the views of most of the fanbase. I’m not sure I’ve seen more than one guy harping about Brady.

 

[SirPaste]

Don’t conflate one loud obnoxious poster with the views of most of the fanbase. I’m not sure I’ve seen more than one guy harping about Brady.

Agreed but to be fair there are quite a few Blues fans not on HFB that are constantly beating that same Brady drum.

 

[Vladys Gumption]

Sometimes those guys settle into their game and stop treating the puck like a grenade, and sometimes they don't. I don't know if he was a throw into the Tarasenko deal with the Rangers or if they wanted him for a specific reason, but at the time he wasn't nearly the player he's been for the Panthers the last two seasons. Sometimes you trade a guy too soon (Mikkola) but that is often better than to trade him too late (Perunovich).

Totally agree on all accounts. He’s definitely taken a step forward in his development since we moved him. But most guys don’t at that age.

 

[TheOrganist]

Multi 90+ point, Selke nominated player is a FINE, complimentary player? I think we've lost the plot. You can argue he won't be worth the contract. But that description is utterly ridiculous for one of the 10 best wings in the game.

Things like this just show why some Blues fans will never respect a skilled, non-overtly-physicsl player. When Marner is fine and Brady Tkachuk, who has never put up 85, has only broken 70 twice and is awful defensively, is gods gift.

This isn't even worth a response....but Ryan O'Reilly is one of my favorite Blues of all time. Skilled & non-overtly physical. Henrik Zetterberg...one of my favorite non-Blues players of his generation. Skilled & non-overtly physical. It's about your compete level & will to win. Why you're bringing Brady Tkachuk into the conversation is a you issue. No one was talking about Brady Tkachuk in this discussion.

 

[Majorityof1]

Don’t conflate one loud obnoxious poster with the views of most of the fanbase. I’m not sure I’ve seen more than one guy harping about Brady.

Its not just one, but it's a fair point that I don't recall if the poster I quoted ever advocated for Tkachuk.

Set Brady aside though. If Marner is only a fine complimentary winger, who is a good one, much less a great one? Is Kucherov merely good and Jagr the only great winger in the history of the game? What is required of a great winger if 90 point Selke finalists are just meh,whatever?

 

[Majorityof1]

This isn't even worth a response....but Ryan O'Reilly is one of my favorite Blues of all time. Skilled & non-overtly physical. Henrik Zetterberg...one of my favorite non-Blues players of his generation. Skilled & non-overtly physical. It's about your compete level & will to win. Why you're bringing Brady Tkachuk into the conversation is a you issue. No one was talking about Brady Tkachuk in this discussion.

Ryan O'Reilly, for will to win? The guy who lost his love of the game? The guy who signed in Buffalo, a non-contender, over Colorado cause they offered more money? He's only been on one deep playoff run in his 16 year career He has worse playoff stats than Marner, 67 in 82 with Even +/- vs 62 in 68, +10. Only been to the 2nd round 4 times in 16 year career (one of which he was a rental carried by Marner). How do you judge will to win? Because Marner had a bad turnover? Or because ROR finally found playoff success at an older age than Marner is now