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Still pretty mind boggling that someone broke Gretzky’s record. Simply because of the longevity required, on top of the insane ability. Think about it. It took 9 50 goal seasons, plus another 5 of 40+ to do it.

The only current player that I think would even have a remote chance would be Matthews. And even then, I think he’s already missed too much time to do it.
 
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Vladys Gumption said:
Still pretty mind boggling that someone broke Gretzky’s record. Simply because of the longevity required, on top of the insane ability. Think about it. It took 9 50 goal seasons, plus another 5 of 40+ to do it.

The only current player that I think would even have a remote chance would be Matthews. And even then, I think he’s already missed too much time to do it.
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They said Gordie Howe held the record for 31 years, Gretzky then took the record and held it 31 years. If that stands the guy that breaks Ovi's record if any isn't even in high school yet.
 
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Vladys Gumption said:
Still pretty mind boggling that someone broke Gretzky’s record. Simply because of the longevity required, on top of the insane ability. Think about it. It took 9 50 goal seasons, plus another 5 of 40+ to do it.

The only current player that I think would even have a remote chance would be Matthews. And even then, I think he’s already missed too much time to do it.
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It's insane. Not only the consistency but the durability not to miss significant time with injury. There may be other players that are capable of doing it in theory, but just the sheer number of games is hard to reach let alone averaging 50 goals per year.
 
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I read something on the main boards that had he been born two days earlier, he would’ve been in the 03 draft instead of 04.

So theoretically between the Covid/lockout seasons, and had he been born earlier and played in the 03-04 season, he could be at 1000 damn near lol
 
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It's so f***ing awesome and emotional to be an adult and witness history and actually understand hard it is for someone to break a record, let alone one of Gretzky's record. Your entire life you're told that Gretzky is the best player we have seen in the game of hockey (I know it's an ongoing debate), and you look at the records, the longevity, the consistency, the sheer offensive power Gretzky was during the time he was playing, and then you fast forward to the game today where it has drastically changed, and you realize how much more talented you have to be as a player to come close to that record and then see it be broken in nearly perfect fashion for a guy like Ovechkin. On the powerplay, in his office, short side cheese, and then you factor in that he is 39 god damn years old, broke his leg, endured multiple lockout seasons and multiple covid shortened seasons, and you just take in the greatness of a player like him.

We have been so fortunate to have players like Crosby and Ovechkin come into a league that was suffocated for offensive talent and then they completely nuke the changes the league and goalies have made to become difficult to beat. To see Crosby continue to climb the points leaders and have a real chance to be 2nd all time in points and then to watch Ovechkin break the goals record and have an opportunity if he plays long enough to get 1000 is just unbelievably difficult to rationalize but is inspiring on so many different levels. So happy to be able to live and witness history for a sport I love.
 
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ezcreepin said:
It's so f***ing awesome and emotional to be an adult and witness history and actually understand for hard it is for someone to break a record, let alone one of Gretzky's record. Your entire life you're told that Gretzky is the best player we have seen in the game of hockey (I know it's an ongoing debate), and you look at the records, the longevity, the consistency, the sheer offensive power Gretzky was during the time he was playing, and then you fast forward to the game today where it has drastically changed, and you realize how much more talented you have to be as a player to come close to that record and then see it be broken in nearly perfect fashion for a guy like Ovechkin. On the powerplay, in his office, short side cheese, and then you factor in that he is 39 god damn years old, broke his leg, endured multiple lockout seasons and multiple covid shortened seasons, and you just take in the greatness of a player like him.

We have been so fortunate to have players like Crosby and Ovechkin come into a league that was suffocated for offensive talent and then they completely nuke the changes the league and goalies have made to become difficult to beat. To see Crosby continue to climb the points leaders and have a real chance to be 2nd all time in points and then to watch Ovechkin break the goals record and have an opportunity if he plays long enough to get 1000 is just unbelievably difficult to rationalize but is inspiring on so many different levels. So happy to be able to live and witness history for a sport I love.
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Ovechkin has stated he plans to retire after his contract, which ends after the 2025-2026 season, and play in the KHL so might be tough to see him get to 1000. Also Crosby has 240 points to get past Jagr and has 2 seasons left on his deal. Might be a tall order to even get into the top 5.
 
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AVictoryDive said:
Ovechkin has stated he plans to retire after his contract, which ends after the 2025-2026 season, and play in the KHL so might be tough to see him get to 1000. Also Crosby has 240 points to get past Jagr and has 2 seasons left on his deal. Might be a tall order to even get into the top 5.
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Regarding Ovechkin, yea I know that was the plan, and I expect that to be the case, but he could end up changing his mind if he has another insane year scoring 40 goals while remaining healthy. I don't expect his decision to change, but it could.

Crosby though I think will easily hit top 5 all time barring any unfortunate circumstances. For the purposes of this conversation and with generous rounding (although I think is completely fair), Crosby has never, not once, been under a 90 point pace in his career, even the past few years of the twilight of his career. He has also been such a consistent player, that if he scored 80 points for 3 more years, he would be 2nd all time in points. He would only need 60 points for the next two seasons to break into 5th all time. I think for him, it's such a massive possibility, it's fair to believe he can pass Jagr. Will he play one final season after his contract is up? I don't know, I'm not sure how much Sid cares about records, but there is a pretty significant chance he can achieve it.
 
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ezcreepin said:
Regarding Ovechkin, yea I know that was the plan, and I expect that to be the case, but he could end up changing his mind if he has another insane year scoring 40 goals while remaining healthy. I don't expect his decision to change, but it could.

Crosby though I think will easily hit top 5 all time barring any unfortunate circumstances. For the purposes of this conversation and with generous rounding (although I think is completely fair), Crosby has never, not once, been under a 90 point pace in his career, even the past few years of the twilight of his career. He has also been such a consistent player, that if he scored 80 points for 3 more years, he would be 2nd all time in points. He would only need 60 points for the next two seasons to break into 5th all time. I think for him, it's such a massive possibility, it's fair to believe he can pass Jagr. Will he play one final season after his contract is up? I don't know, I'm not sure how much Sid cares about records, but there is a pretty significant chance he can achieve it.
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Crosby needs 217 points to get past Ron Francis. Could happen I just don’t see him playing after his contract is up in 2026-2027. Definitely one of the best to play the game along with Ovechkin.
 
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Crosby needs 217 points to get past Ron Francis. Could happen I just don’t see him playing after his contract is up in 2026-2027. Definitely one of the best to play the game along with Ovechkin.
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Just curious, but where are you getting your information from? Francis has a career points total of 1798 per NHL's website and Crosby is at 1682.

Edit: I think you might have accidentally typed in 1898 instead of 1798
 
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I’d like to see Brian or someone put together a spreadsheet of how the daily cap is calculated to be compliant and maybe an example of how a team could or couldn’t call up someone from the AHL bc of cap considerations. I don’t really understand it without a visual.
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The broad, short version is that there are 192 days in this year's NHL season. The cap is calculated on a daily basis and a player's daily cap hit is 1/192 of his AAV. Let's use a $1M AAV as the example. Every day a $1M player is on your NHL roster, he counts for $5,208.33 against the cap.

The $88M cap means that you can spend $88M of cap hits throughout the 192 day season. 1/192 of $88M is $458,333.33. On day 1, you are not allowed to to ice a roster with a combined daily cap hit more than $458,333.33 (excluding LTIR, which I am ignoring for this purpose). However, if you spend less than that amount on day 1, then you 'bank' cap space to use later. Let's say that you have exactly $408,333.33 in daily cap hits on day 1. That means that you have an 'extra' $50k to spend across the remaining 191 days of the season. If you have exactly $408,333.33 in daily cap hits for the first 60 games of the season, then you have 'banked' $50k per day, for a total of $3M of cap space to use in the future.

Ultimately, tracking this daily is a ton of work. Capwages has an (IMO imperfect) daily tracker. I don't think they do a great job fully tracking/explaining how LTIR actually impacts the daily calculation and a team fully relying on it wouldn't maximize how well they could maneuver the cap. But for our purposes, it is plenty accurate.

However you slice it though, the Blues have the ability to call anyone up. We have a cushion of a few hundred grand of daily cap hits before we would even start to utilize the relief from putting Krug on LTIR and those AHL call ups only count for about $5k a day.
 
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