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Around the NHL — Episode XLXVII

BondraTime said:
That's my fault, I still use wins as a barometer rather than loser points

5 teams, all battling for essentially 1 spot, and not 1 of them can win 5 games in a 10 game stretch where they need to pick up wins
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I've switched to W minus loses, and ignore the loser points. 5-5-0 is a worse record than 2-1-7 even if it feels counterintuitive.
 
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frightenedinmatenum2 said:
It makes sense. Players don't get paid for the playoffs. Why would they put themselves in a position to do more work for nothing!
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New idea. Incentive making the playoffs by making it part of their salary. X for regular season, X for making the playoffs. Even the ones more concerned about counting their beans would have to buy in for that type of reward.

That stupid in season tournament the NBA did had some parallels and all that the players seemed to acknowledge was their eyes on the prize money.
 
BonHoonLayneCornell said:
New idea. Incentive making the playoffs by making it part of their salary. X for regular season, X for making the playoffs. Even the ones more concerned about counting their beans would have to buy in for that type of reward.

That stupid in season tournament the NBA did had some parallels and all that the players seemed to acknowledge was their eyes on the prize money.
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They get a per diem and they get a cash incentive for winning. I forget how exactly it's structured, whether it's just for the cup or per game.

It's ironic that if we are talking about cash incentives, players would job to the Leafs or other big market teams, because those teams going on long runs raised HRR and can result in players being paid more than expected. (Escrow works both ways, player can lose money but they can also gain money.)
 
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frightenedinmatenum2 said:
They get a per diem and they get a cash incentive for winning. I forget how exactly it's structured, whether it's just for the cup or per game.

It's ironic that if we are talking about cash incentives, players would job to the Leafs or other big market teams, because those teams going on long runs raised HRR and can result in players being paid more than expected. (Escrow works both ways, player can lose money but they can also gain money.)
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There's a playoff bonus pool - this year it will be approximately 23M total - and the payouts are per-round. Last season each team that lost in the opening round received ~430k which is about 19k per player assuming they divided it equally among the 23. Pretty paltry stuff, really.

What's interesting is that teams get to vote on how the shares of the bonus money are chopped up, so it's possible that it isn't an equal split.
 
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Micklebot said:
I've switched to W minus loses, and ignore the loser points. 5-5-0 is a worse record than 2-1-7 even if it feels counterintuitive.
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I do the baseball method when looking at the standings. Don't care about points or percentage, we're 3.5 games above 9th place with 11 to go. Bonus points have zero effect so the 9th place team has to get 2 more wins AND 2 less losses then us, or a different combination like 3 more wins and 1 less loss.

Ok, maybe that's more confusing now that I tried to explain, but if you know baseball you know what I'm talking about. A loser point is great when you escape a full on loss. But those head to head matchups (4 point games), can be looked at like we're only 3 games up now by losing in OT, but a regulation loss would turn that into 1.5 games up.

Forgive me, I'm drunk in the Dominican
 
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PatrickEaves said:
Habs are OT loser point merchants.
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They just aren't a good team in general.

-25 goal differential actually understates how bad they've been this season.

They are 4th worst in the league in expected goal differential. Have gotten bailed out by uncharacteristically good goaltending and unsustainable finishing.
 
frightenedinmatenum2 said:
They get a per diem and they get a cash incentive for winning. I forget how exactly it's structured, whether it's just for the cup or per game.

It's ironic that if we are talking about cash incentives, players would job to the Leafs or other big market teams, because those teams going on long runs raised HRR and can result in players being paid more than expected. (Escrow works both ways, player can lose money but they can also gain money.)
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Ouroboros said:
There's a playoff bonus pool - this year it will be approximately 23M total - and the payouts are per-round. Last season each team that lost in the opening round received ~430k which is about 19k per player assuming they divided it equally among the 23. Pretty paltry stuff, really.

What's interesting is that teams get to vote on how the shares of the bonus money are chopped up, so it's possible that it isn't an equal split.
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Interesting. I never knew any of this. Pretty small pittance for these guys, but something nonetheless. I wonder if they typically vote for it to go to the little guys that might actually need it, or to the high paid horses for leading the team. NBAers all talked about the little guys needing that In Season Tourney cash more than themselves and winning it for them.
 
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BonHoonLayneCornell said:
Interesting. I never knew any of this. Pretty small pittance for these guys, but something nonetheless. I wonder if they typically vote for it to go to the little guys that might actually need it, or to the high paid horses for leading the team. NBAers all talked about the little guys needing that In Season Tourney cash more than themselves and winning it for them.
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thehockeywriters.com

How Much Do Players Get Paid in the Playoffs? - The Hockey Writers The Business of Hockey Latest News, Analysis & More

Do players get paid in the playoffs? The NHL and NHLPA agree to set aside a bonus pool to be distributed based on how far they advance.
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Here is an article that goes over it. Info might be outdated.

It seems like the prize pools are similar to league minimum salary. Not exact, but if you take what the player get for winning each round and divide it over the length of playoffs it seems close.

So for lesser players it's a pretty good deal, along with the fringe benefit of raising their profile by playing in the playoffs, which could lead to a bigger extension. For top players it seems like a love of the game type thing.

If you're a lazy guy who doesn't like playing, and you already make big money, your probably don't want your team to get in. But with how hard it is to make the NHL, I can't imagine there are a lot of players with that mindset.
 
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BonHoonLayneCornell said:
Interesting. I never knew any of this. Pretty small pittance for these guys, but something nonetheless. I wonder if they typically vote for it to go to the little guys that might actually need it, or to the high paid horses for leading the team. NBAers all talked about the little guys needing that In Season Tourney cash more than themselves and winning it for them.
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I thought I had read somewhere that they may give a decent portion to the training and support staff? I guess the probably happens, in general, even without the playoffs, but that seems like a good way to divy it up a bit.
 
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OD99 said:
I thought I had read somewhere that they may give a decent portion to the training and support staff? I guess the probably happens, in general, even without the playoffs, but that seems like a good way to divy it up a bit.
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There was an article or Twitter rant by Chris Pronger a few years ago that discussed all the hidden costs played have, and it includes tipping or taking care of training staff.

It was an informative article, but a lot of people took it as being a bit tone deaf because your average person makes 50k and league minimum, even if careers are short, is more than ten times that.
 
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frightenedinmatenum2 said:
There was an article or Twitter rant by Chris Pronger a few years ago that discussed all the hidden costs played have, and it includes tipping or taking care of training staff.

It was an informative article, but a lot of people took it as being a bit tone deaf because your average person makes 50k and league minimum, even if careers are short, is more than ten times that.
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Lol, boo hoo Mr. Pronger
 
frightenedinmatenum2 said:
There was an article or Twitter rant by Chris Pronger a few years ago that discussed all the hidden costs played have, and it includes tipping or taking care of training staff.

It was an informative article, but a lot of people took it as being a bit tone deaf because your average person makes 50k and league minimum, even if careers are short, is more than ten times that.
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Iirc, Sean Avery had an article like that, as well.
 
Anyone have Ryan Donato as the goal and points leader on the Blackhawks this year?

He went from 12 g in 78 last year to 28 g in 71 so far this year

previous career high in goals was 16 , points 31

He'll be 29 in April
 
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