Don't have to worry about that if we end up playing the LeafsThe only thing that'll suck if a majority of the Canadian teams make the playoffs is that our first round games might get relegated to Sportsnet One.
Around the NHL — Episode XLXVII
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That's low-key the main reason I want to play TML in the first round.
I don't have to worry about how I'll see the games lol
What utter garbage compared to our signings Perron and Amadio.
Cousins played fairly well, but it was as low risk as you can get being only $800K which could have been buried in the AHL if it didn't work.
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Dec 16, 2024.
31 gm played, 44 points.
Jan 16, 2025
GM played 45. points 58
March 16, 2025
GM played 67, points 79
Can you say sinking like a stone.
with 15 more games to play, if they maintain that pace, they will add another 14 points. Be at 93 and there is a huge chance they miss the playoffs.
Nov. 16, 2024
17 gm played, 25 points
They are living off of, the first 17 games. THAT IS called; taking advantage of Gary's skewed schedule. They banked points early when their opponents were teams, who like them, who missed the playoffs last season. The schedule then got harder and they sank like a stone.
Gary, you genius!!!
How f***ing bad are Buffalo, Chicago, Anaheim, San Jose, Detroit and Pitt?
How embarrassed must the Sens be. They were at 0.500 only?
Dec 16, 2024.
31 gm played, 44 points.
Jan 16, 2025
GM played 45. points 58
March 16, 2025
GM played 67, points 79
Can you say sinking like a stone.
with 15 more games to play, if they maintain that pace, they will add another 14 points. Be at 93 and there is a huge chance they miss the playoffs.
Nov. 16, 2024
17 gm played, 25 points
They are living off of, the first 17 games. THAT IS called; taking advantage of Gary's skewed schedule. They banked points early when their opponents were teams, who like them, who missed the playoffs last season. The schedule then got harder and they sank like a stone.
Gary, you genius!!!
How f***ing bad are Buffalo, Chicago, Anaheim, San Jose, Detroit and Pitt?
How embarrassed must the Sens be. They were at 0.500 only?
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They have been missing thier #1C, #2D and a top 5 player in the league for the past 3 months, along with their #3D for 15 games and then Zuccerelo for another 15, of course their record is getting worse
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Here's an alternative explanation,
first 26 games, they had 40 pts with only 43 man games lost to injury, an average of 1.65 per game.
The next 40 games, 39 pts, but with 135 man games lost to injury, an average of 3.38 per game.
Funny how that works, healthy team does better than an unhealthy one. They started the year as one of the healthier in the league, and have been among the most impacted by injuries since.
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Perron and Amadio signings weren't really working out until very recently. Perron scored his first point on January 30th and Amadio only had 4 pts in his first 23 games and 2 goals in his first 41 games. Thankfully they have chosen a good timing to "arrive"
That said, Red Wings drafting has been very underwhelming during the first 2 years of their rebuild (2017 & 2018) with only Rasmussen, Lindstrom, Zadina, Veleno, Berggren and Regula playing, nothing to write home about. And even since 2019, only their very high first round picks have started to contribute with Seider (6th OA), Raymond (4th OA), Edvinsson (6th OA) and Kasper (8th OA). They have several young guys coming up but in the meantime, Yzerman had to sign/acquire a lot of vets, most of them didn't work out great. I think the Kane signing has been great, Copp and Compher not too bad but overpaid. The thing is it's hard to only strike Gold with UFAs, you gotta be a market like Vegas, Florida or New York for that, a place where most players want to go.
I'm hoping Staios continue to build on his magic and find us the next MacArthur.
Yeah not sure what Beech is talking about... I mean Kaprizov was a monster before going down. Eriksson EK is a Selke candidate every season and Brodin is literally one of the best defensive D-men in th league. Spurgeon and Zucc also missed games, they have been devastated by injuries. The first 3 I mentioned would be missing Stutzle, Tkachuk and Zub at the same time but even worse.
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Would suck to be Austin Matthews and be on pace for 40 goals, play injured all season and still be one of the best players and Captains in the league leading your team to the playoffs every year and be Captin of the 4 Nations and your fanbase still questions your work ethic and winning attitude.
Matthews completely surrounded by the wrong players. They are soft, they don’t play hard hockey and it falls on his shoulders to explain why he’s surrounded by a bunch of soft wingers and Morgan Reilly.
Matthews is in a bad situation in Toronto, like Carey Price in montreal it’s just about making the playoffs and keeping the boardroom happy
Matthews completely surrounded by the wrong players. They are soft, they don’t play hard hockey and it falls on his shoulders to explain why he’s surrounded by a bunch of soft wingers and Morgan Reilly.
Matthews is in a bad situation in Toronto, like Carey Price in montreal it’s just about making the playoffs and keeping the boardroom happy
I love that Perron and Amadio have stepped it up the last little while, but for the majority of their time here they've been non-factors. They can end up being dead weight for us going forward the same way Holl, Chiarot, Compher, and Copp have been. I'd still rather have Tarasenko for the price he signed for in Detroit than what we paid Perron and Kane is playing really well with Cat.
Having said that, I'm happy that the Wings draft picks just haven't emerged/stepped up to the same extent ours have. Kaspar seems like he could be a key piece going forward but they're missing elite scoring pieces right now.
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They have Seider , Raymond, Edvinsson, Johansson, Kasper, Soderblom in the lineup; In the wings ; Sandin Pellikka, Danielson, Cossa, Brannsegg-Nygard, Augustine, Wallinder
not too bad at all.
I wouldn't lump in the Perron signing with the Amadio signing.
Amadio has 21 points in 56 games playing in the bottom 6 with no PP time, and brings value to the team every night when he's not scoring with his intelligent two-way game, great stick and tenacious forechecking. He's easily worth 2.6M and was a fantastic signing, and I said so at the time.
Perron has been great the past two weeks but was invisible the rest of the season. 10 points in 28 games playing in the top 6 and getting PP time isn't worth 4M.
Not bad at all, but my point is that their prospects' development hasn't been fast enough for them to have made an impact. They've had some misses (like us) with Veleno, Zadina, Bergren, etc., but I'd say more of our prospects have been making an impact from draft/acquisition to graduating onto the roster than the Wings.
Hoping each of the names you mentioned bust as long as their in detroit
They’re sort of just behind us since Yzerman got hired in 2019 and that’s when they started drafting properly. So our range of collecting prospects was more 2017-2021, theirs was more 2019-2023.
We’ll probably start getting a real feel for Detroit’s rebuild next season as they add a few more of their prospects to the roster. They don’t have a true franchise 1C but other than that they seem to have a bunch of good pieces.
Agree. I do hope that Yzerman has some more Walman moments where he pays high draft capital to get rid of players.
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Patrick Kane won't be around for ever ,, he is still very instrumental especially on the PP; Such a smart , skilled playmaker
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There's some pretty significant context around Perron
New born child with serious health concerns through training camp resulted in him missing significant time, not that his head was in the game those first 6 games. When he gets back he almost immediate gets injured and is out for another significant stretch; 12 games and none of them really had him on even footing with the rest of the league. He's been playing catch-up since game one of the season in terms of conditioning and getting up to game speed.
But, in his last 16 games, he's been great. 10 pts, a ~52 pts pace.
The question is what's a better predictor, the last 16 games, or the first dozen. Either way you're dealing with a fairly small sample.
He's certainly not as bad as his first 12 games production would suggest, and he may not be as good as his last 16 games (though that level of production is almost identical to his production last year). He's got flaws to his game to be sure, but I do think if he keeps up the current production, he's absolutely worth the 4 mil he's getting.
He's definitely in between the first 12 and last 16, but even a healthy Perron, who isn't dealing with personal life issues, isn't the most productive forward given his last year in Detroit and PP production. He's declining the way Giroux is, but there's things Giroux still excels at (faceoffs) that Perron can't do. If he can score at a 40 point pace next year, he'll be 'worth' his contract imo.
Wouldn't mind seeing him more on the PP as we go forward. He's playing with some momentum and he might make the most out of some crunch time hockey that has a lot of pressure on the team.
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Perron has turned it around. Mike Johnson talked about him this morning. He had personal problems, injuries contributing to less than top conditioning and now he his game is just where the team needs it .. As the wide open hockey of the regular season tightens up .. Perron's game and value gets better. I think its the same for Greig and Amadio .. they all thrive in it. I say throw away the stats for at least half the season in Perron's case.
Off ice issues played somewhat of a role in his early struggles. Don't think it completely wipes them away though.
I find HFSens has an extremely short memory and can take a "what have you done for me lately" mentality to the extreme.
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Ok, lets extend the sample, he has 57 pts in his last 104 games, a 45 pts pace.
Just like I didn't write off Pinto for 3 pts in his first 20 games, I never wrote off Perron. Difference being there was actually some pretty valid reasons Perron might struggle.
Heck, people were down on Amadio and Greig to start the season too, now all of them are playing really well, and it seems like it's pick and choose as to whether you were right to be down on them or you always knew they'd bounce back. Seems like there's some confirmation bias, people who didn't like the Perron signing say the total seasons' numbers are what he is, but say Amadio turning around, Pinto playing well or Greig turning it around is just proof that their faith was well placed.
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I pointed out at time of signing that Perron only put up 47 points last year because he played with Larkin and got over 3 minutes of top unit PP time all season, and that he wasn't going to produce those numbers here without getting that kind of opportunity.
My expectation for him in a 2nd line 2nd PP role was about 30-40 points, which is looking optimistic at this stage, but given his off-ice issues to start the year I'll give him a break. Still I don't think he's worth 4M at his age if he's only putting up those kind of numbers.
The difference between Perron and Amadio is that the latter helps the team all over the ice even when he's not scoring. Due to Perron's lack of athleticism, largely due to the fact he's about to turn 37, he's not doing much to help the team if he's not producing. He's just too slow at this stage in his career. Amadio, on the other hand, is a beast on the forecheck and wins battles all over the ice.
Amadio doesn't need to produce 40 points to earn his salary. He's a positive asset at 20 points a year because of everything else he brings to the table. I never understood the hate he was getting before he started producing for that reason.
Perron is currently getting like 2 minutes of PP time. His overall ice time is decreasing either because Green is easing him in or he's not the best option for PP1. He's playing down in the depth chart which is good for our overall depth, but he's likely to peak out as 30-40 pt winger for us. I won't be surprised if his ice time decreases even more as depth guys like Zetterlund get a chance to show what they've to.
Where would we have been earlier this year when Gaudette was playing up the lineup and scoring if we had Kastelic instead of Gaudette?
We're on our way to the playoffs. Kastelic is on his way to the off season for his second team in the 4C role.
Those guys are contributing. One of our problems the past few years was bottom of the roster players that couldn't score or play higher up for stretches. We currently have guys able to do that and it's helping us be successful
