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Actually if they hire Bergevin it will be even better for every GM in the league
Listen Rob you're fired but given your service to the organization which started with a hall of fame career on the ice we will say it's a mutual agreement....
I assume Hiller will be gone when the next GM takes over.
Bubbles
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You know you suck when you are on the losing side of a Benning trade....twice.
Dowd for Subban.
Toffoli for Schaller, Madden, 2nd round pick.
Blake did have some moments but giving away Walker and Durzi for peanuts along with that insane PLD trade where he gave up a haul for him are fireable offenses.
BenningHurtsMySoul
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You're a canuck fan...better make it a 4 goal lead with a minute left. 5 if McDrai are the opposition.
Depending on how teams defend (with icings and shift changes), you may not get your best 5 defenders on the ice. So, it's your best 10 defensive skaters that have to be ready to be out there. Late minute or so, you're running those guys vs any of the other 8.
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Fiala is a good player (and maybe this is hindsight) but trading away Faber + 1st for him seems pretty bad as well.
To me that was a perfectly sensible deal that ended up turning out bad because Faber had a 99th percentile result in terms of his development.
That a guy scoring 14 points as an NCAA D would score 47 points as a 1D in the NHL two years later is just an absolutely insane result that couldn't have been predicted.
It would be like if we traded Kudryatsev in a Barzal deal or something (which literally everyone here would do in a heartbeat) and then 2 years from now KK was playing 25 minutes/game and scoring 40 points.
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That's just a decently calculated trade that didn't hit a homerun. LA was in desperate need of scoring,, trying to make the next step, and Fiala was a top target at that point and is still a heck of a player.
Exactly.
BenningHurtsMySoul
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Dude is a complete sociopath. God only knows how he was raised to turn out the way he has.
I hope the trial doesn't set him up as the fall guy, though. Even "I don't remember anything" Raddysh turned out to be the one who told McLeod about Hockey Canada stepping in to tamper and cover their asses ahead of the first investigation. All the guys charged absolutely know what they did and need to face justice.
Mr. Canucklehead
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Definitely everyone who had knowledge of/participated in what went on that night are not right in the head. Just some really, really awful stuff that I have no idea how anyone with a heart, brain or conscience could attempt to justify.
But Michael McLeod is definitely coming off as a worst-of-the-worst A-grade psycho. Heinous stuff to read.
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This is going to be a long read but some major updates regarding the trial:
Part 1:
The complainant is recounting what happened after she arrived at the hotel with McLeod. She said she and McLeod had consensual sex before the player got up and began using his phone. After a while, a pair of players walked into the room. "I was shocked by that. I wasn't expecting that. So I just remember feeling really surprised when that happened," she said.
The complainant said that after she came out of the bathroom, more men were inside the room. A sheet was on the floor, and she was asked to lie down there. She described the men making comments and jokes about whether she could fit golf balls or a golf club "inside of her." I "just felt kind of like I was being bullied. They were laughing at me. They were spitting on me at one point," she said.
At one point, the complainant said she was surrounded by several of the players, some of them with their pants down and who wanted her to give them oral sex.
It "seemed like the only kind of safe thing to do was just to give them what they were wanting," she said. "That was my body's way of just kind of automatically protecting me from that situation."
After a while, the complainant said some of the players began making comments that someone should have sex with her. The complainant said that, at one point, she got up to go to the bathroom and she was followed by one of the men. I'm "not sure if it was decided that this man was going to come with me to the bathroom. I just know I got up kind of expecting 'This is just another thing I had to kind of do.' So I got up and he followed me to the bathroom."
The complainant was asked by assistant Crown attorney Meaghan Cunningham what was going through her mind at the moment everything was unfolding. She described still being drunk, feeling separated from her body, on auto-pilot and just going through the motions and "just feeling separated from what was happening, not really feeling anything, just really numb," she said. I was "feeling like I didn't have control over it."
The complainant also described several attemps to leave the room.
"I remember that I was at certain points getting up, getting my clothes on to try and leave, and then anytime I was, they would notice, and (someone) would come over and convince me that 'We're having fun. It's fine. We want you to stay," she said. "I was really drunk, you know. I wasn't having fun. I know I didn't want to stay, but . . . I felt like I didn't have an option."
Part 1:
The complainant is recounting what happened after she arrived at the hotel with McLeod. She said she and McLeod had consensual sex before the player got up and began using his phone. After a while, a pair of players walked into the room. "I was shocked by that. I wasn't expecting that. So I just remember feeling really surprised when that happened," she said.
The complainant said that after she came out of the bathroom, more men were inside the room. A sheet was on the floor, and she was asked to lie down there. She described the men making comments and jokes about whether she could fit golf balls or a golf club "inside of her." I "just felt kind of like I was being bullied. They were laughing at me. They were spitting on me at one point," she said.
At one point, the complainant said she was surrounded by several of the players, some of them with their pants down and who wanted her to give them oral sex.
It "seemed like the only kind of safe thing to do was just to give them what they were wanting," she said. "That was my body's way of just kind of automatically protecting me from that situation."
After a while, the complainant said some of the players began making comments that someone should have sex with her. The complainant said that, at one point, she got up to go to the bathroom and she was followed by one of the men. I'm "not sure if it was decided that this man was going to come with me to the bathroom. I just know I got up kind of expecting 'This is just another thing I had to kind of do.' So I got up and he followed me to the bathroom."
The complainant was asked by assistant Crown attorney Meaghan Cunningham what was going through her mind at the moment everything was unfolding. She described still being drunk, feeling separated from her body, on auto-pilot and just going through the motions and "just feeling separated from what was happening, not really feeling anything, just really numb," she said. I was "feeling like I didn't have control over it."
The complainant also described several attemps to leave the room.
"I remember that I was at certain points getting up, getting my clothes on to try and leave, and then anytime I was, they would notice, and (someone) would come over and convince me that 'We're having fun. It's fine. We want you to stay," she said. "I was really drunk, you know. I wasn't having fun. I know I didn't want to stay, but . . . I felt like I didn't have an option."
Part 2:
Assistant Crown attorney Meaghan Cunningham asked the complainant:
“Did anyone in the room check in with you while the sexual acts you described were taking place?”
The complainant, who said that at one point she was crying and recalled hearing the players say to each other not to let her leave the room while she was crying, replied:
“I feel like I only recall near the very end — that’s when they were asking, ‘Oh, you’re okay with this?’ That was only at the end that anything like that was brought up.”
Assistant Crown attorney Meaghan Cunningham has now shown the jury a short, five-second video clip in which the complainant is seen while someone asks her:
"Hey, you're okay with this, all right?"
"Yes, I'm okay with this," she replies. The complainant also described how the video shows her wiping one of her eyes.
"It may have been one of the points I was crying," she said to the jury.
The Crown has now shown the jury a second video in which the complainant is seen covering herself with a towel and saying, "Totally, I enjoyed it. It was fine. It's all consensual."
The Crown then asked the complainant: "In the video, you say it was all consensual. Is that a true reflection of how you felt at the time you were saying that?"
She replied: "No, it definitely wasn't," she said. I "knew what I needed to say to just get out of there."
When she finally left the hotel, on an Uber ride shortly after 4:45 a.m. on June 19, the complainant described feeling shame and embarrassment:
"I feel like everything I had been blocking out throughout the night just kind of came back and hit me . . . just a lot of shame and embarrassment, . . . it was just a lot, and I didn't know how to handle it. And I just know I couldn't stop crying the entire way home," she said. "I think I was putting a lot of blame on myself for having even gone to the hotel in the first place . . . feeling I wish I could have reacted in a different way."
The Crown has now moved to some text messages between Michael McLeod and the complainant the day after she left the hotel.
From McLeod:
- "Did you go to the police after Sunday?"
- "?"
- "?"
- "Hello?"
From the complainant:
- "I talked to my mom about it, and she called I think but I told her not to. I don't want anything bad to come with it so I told her to stop."
- "I'm sorry, didn't mean for that to happen."
From McLeod:
- "You said you were having fun??"
From the complainant:
- "I was really drunk, didn't feel good about it at all after. But I'm not trying to get anyone in trouble, I know I was in the wrong too"
- "I was ok with going home with you, it was everyone else afterwards that I wasn't expecting. I just felt like I was being made fun of and taken advantage of."
The Crown asked the complainant what she meant when she said "she was in the wrong too."
She said: "I think that comes back to just feeling like I was blaming myself a lot, again, for just being at the hotel in the first place . . . I was very much thinking that was all my fault and trying to take some responsibility for that."
From McLeod:
- "I understand that you're embarrassed about what happened, but you need to talk to your mother right now and straighten things out with the police before this goes too far. This is a serious matter that she is misrepresenting and could have significant implications for a lot of people, including you."
- "What can you do to make this go away?"
One of the final messages from the complainant shows her saying to McLeod she had talked to the police and that she had said it was all a mistake.
"Just, again, telling him what he wants to hear so that he can leave me alone," she said to the Crown.
The Crown has ended her questioning of the complainant. We are now in a recess. The case is expected to resume at 2 p.m. for cross-examination of the complainant.
Assistant Crown attorney Meaghan Cunningham asked the complainant:
“Did anyone in the room check in with you while the sexual acts you described were taking place?”
The complainant, who said that at one point she was crying and recalled hearing the players say to each other not to let her leave the room while she was crying, replied:
“I feel like I only recall near the very end — that’s when they were asking, ‘Oh, you’re okay with this?’ That was only at the end that anything like that was brought up.”
Assistant Crown attorney Meaghan Cunningham has now shown the jury a short, five-second video clip in which the complainant is seen while someone asks her:
"Hey, you're okay with this, all right?"
"Yes, I'm okay with this," she replies. The complainant also described how the video shows her wiping one of her eyes.
"It may have been one of the points I was crying," she said to the jury.
The Crown has now shown the jury a second video in which the complainant is seen covering herself with a towel and saying, "Totally, I enjoyed it. It was fine. It's all consensual."
The Crown then asked the complainant: "In the video, you say it was all consensual. Is that a true reflection of how you felt at the time you were saying that?"
She replied: "No, it definitely wasn't," she said. I "knew what I needed to say to just get out of there."
When she finally left the hotel, on an Uber ride shortly after 4:45 a.m. on June 19, the complainant described feeling shame and embarrassment:
"I feel like everything I had been blocking out throughout the night just kind of came back and hit me . . . just a lot of shame and embarrassment, . . . it was just a lot, and I didn't know how to handle it. And I just know I couldn't stop crying the entire way home," she said. "I think I was putting a lot of blame on myself for having even gone to the hotel in the first place . . . feeling I wish I could have reacted in a different way."
The Crown has now moved to some text messages between Michael McLeod and the complainant the day after she left the hotel.
From McLeod:
- "Did you go to the police after Sunday?"
- "?"
- "?"
- "Hello?"
From the complainant:
- "I talked to my mom about it, and she called I think but I told her not to. I don't want anything bad to come with it so I told her to stop."
- "I'm sorry, didn't mean for that to happen."
From McLeod:
- "You said you were having fun??"
From the complainant:
- "I was really drunk, didn't feel good about it at all after. But I'm not trying to get anyone in trouble, I know I was in the wrong too"
- "I was ok with going home with you, it was everyone else afterwards that I wasn't expecting. I just felt like I was being made fun of and taken advantage of."
The Crown asked the complainant what she meant when she said "she was in the wrong too."
She said: "I think that comes back to just feeling like I was blaming myself a lot, again, for just being at the hotel in the first place . . . I was very much thinking that was all my fault and trying to take some responsibility for that."
From McLeod:
- "I understand that you're embarrassed about what happened, but you need to talk to your mother right now and straighten things out with the police before this goes too far. This is a serious matter that she is misrepresenting and could have significant implications for a lot of people, including you."
- "What can you do to make this go away?"
One of the final messages from the complainant shows her saying to McLeod she had talked to the police and that she had said it was all a mistake.
"Just, again, telling him what he wants to hear so that he can leave me alone," she said to the Crown.
The Crown has ended her questioning of the complainant. We are now in a recess. The case is expected to resume at 2 p.m. for cross-examination of the complainant.
Final part:
David Humphrey, who represents Michael McLeod, will start cross-examination of the complainant.
He started questioning the complainant about the first person she talked to after what happened at the hotel. That person was her best friend at the time, who she called while on her way home after leaving the hotel.
Humphrey questioned her if part of the reason why she was crying when talking to her friend was because she was feeling guilty about cheating on her boyfriend at the time.
"There was a part of me that definitely did feel like that because I was putting a lot of the blame on myself . . . I knew that I had someone I cared about, and that's not what I went out intending to do at all that night," she replied.
The complainant is testifying it was her mom who first contacted police about what had happened at the Delta Hotel after her mom found her crying in the shower.
When she first went to police on June 22, 2018, to report what had happened, the complainant said her intent was just to have her testimony formally recorded and have the involved players be spoken to by police.
"I thought that was maybe one way to hold some of the men accountable if they were at least spoken to, hoping that they would just think twice before ever putting anyone else in a situation like that," she said.
She only changed her mind about possibly pursuing charges after learning the players didn't have to talk to police if they didn't want to, the complainant said.
"That's when I went with the decision to have it fully investigated and criminal charges if that was an option," she said.
But Humphrey seems to be suggesting her decision to do so was influenced by and made after she was pressured by her family, particularly the complainant's mother.
Humphrey also pointed out that during one of the complainant's interviews with the police, the detective talking to her said he had reviewed videos of her arriving at the hotel and told her that she didn't seem to be "overly inebriated when arriving."
"I thought that was a little disappointing to hear that because I didn't feel like what he was seeing on the video footage really reflected my mental state and how I was feeling, but I understood where he was coming from and accepted that," the complainant replied.
Humphrey is now questioning the complainant about a written statement she and her lawyers sent to Hockey Canada after the organization reopened the investigation when the story of the settlement broke. They haven't gotten into the details of the statement, but Humphrey seems to be hinting there were some inaccuracies in it, asking her about a subsequent interview with Hockey Canada investigators.
"Did you tell them during that interview, 'Hey, some of what I said might be mistaken or inaccurate in that typed statement?'"
"No, because I didn't know it to be inaccurate . . . I still hadn't seen my initial interviews . . . so at that point, I still felt it was accurate and true," the complainant said.
Humphrey has gone back to trying to determine the amount of alcohol the complainant consumed on the night of June 18 and its impacts on her, noting the complainant accepted having a tendency to throw up when she got drunk.
"The bottom line is you did not throw up from however much alcohol you consumed on the 18th and 19th, although you have in the past from the overconsumption of alcohol," he said.
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David Humphrey, who represents Michael McLeod, will start cross-examination of the complainant.
He started questioning the complainant about the first person she talked to after what happened at the hotel. That person was her best friend at the time, who she called while on her way home after leaving the hotel.
Humphrey questioned her if part of the reason why she was crying when talking to her friend was because she was feeling guilty about cheating on her boyfriend at the time.
"There was a part of me that definitely did feel like that because I was putting a lot of the blame on myself . . . I knew that I had someone I cared about, and that's not what I went out intending to do at all that night," she replied.
The complainant is testifying it was her mom who first contacted police about what had happened at the Delta Hotel after her mom found her crying in the shower.
When she first went to police on June 22, 2018, to report what had happened, the complainant said her intent was just to have her testimony formally recorded and have the involved players be spoken to by police.
"I thought that was maybe one way to hold some of the men accountable if they were at least spoken to, hoping that they would just think twice before ever putting anyone else in a situation like that," she said.
She only changed her mind about possibly pursuing charges after learning the players didn't have to talk to police if they didn't want to, the complainant said.
"That's when I went with the decision to have it fully investigated and criminal charges if that was an option," she said.
But Humphrey seems to be suggesting her decision to do so was influenced by and made after she was pressured by her family, particularly the complainant's mother.
Humphrey also pointed out that during one of the complainant's interviews with the police, the detective talking to her said he had reviewed videos of her arriving at the hotel and told her that she didn't seem to be "overly inebriated when arriving."
"I thought that was a little disappointing to hear that because I didn't feel like what he was seeing on the video footage really reflected my mental state and how I was feeling, but I understood where he was coming from and accepted that," the complainant replied.
Humphrey is now questioning the complainant about a written statement she and her lawyers sent to Hockey Canada after the organization reopened the investigation when the story of the settlement broke. They haven't gotten into the details of the statement, but Humphrey seems to be hinting there were some inaccuracies in it, asking her about a subsequent interview with Hockey Canada investigators.
"Did you tell them during that interview, 'Hey, some of what I said might be mistaken or inaccurate in that typed statement?'"
"No, because I didn't know it to be inaccurate . . . I still hadn't seen my initial interviews . . . so at that point, I still felt it was accurate and true," the complainant said.
Humphrey has gone back to trying to determine the amount of alcohol the complainant consumed on the night of June 18 and its impacts on her, noting the complainant accepted having a tendency to throw up when she got drunk.
"The bottom line is you did not throw up from however much alcohol you consumed on the 18th and 19th, although you have in the past from the overconsumption of alcohol," he said.
RECAP: Defence questions complainant in Hockey Canada trial
The complainant, now 27, whose allegations are at the heart of the sexual assault case involving five players from Canada's 2018 world junior hockey team resumed her testimony Monday
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