Around the League Thread | Stop f***ing crying, bro, this isn’t Junior.

[Just A Bit Outside]

I want to see it. PLD+ for Marner.

Just for the pure shits and gigs.

 

[Vector]

 

[Vector]

Kings had an absolute treasure-trove of picks, prospects, and young players to acquire whoever they wanted and absolutely blew it. I have no idea where Blake goes from here but he deserves all the criticism.

 

[StreetHawk]

Kings would eat over $27M in cash and also in cap hit. Some would be deferred for a number of years, but even factoring that into the account I think retaining up to $3M is an option even if they only got a bag of pucks for him.

The numbers go up and down. $1.6 mil approx for years 1-3. $3.8 mill for years 4-6. $2.8 mill for year 7, then it's like $1.4 mill for years 8-14. In years 8-14 the cap is going to be $100 mill plus. If the feel they can better utilize the $7 mill in cap room for someone better, for years 1-3 that probably is the deciding factor, unless they think he can rebound. $3.8 mill in dead cap for 3 years isn't ideal, but that's how the formula works when you have SB involved.

 

[RandV]

It was very different during the Luongo years and the Leafs were a sadsack team.

You had the TO media like Cox and Simmons taking potshots at the team, and locals would give you a bit of grief. Usually about the Sedins and how they were wusses or sissies or whatever.

To add to this, if you remember in the 2000's Calgary and Edmonton's Stanley Cup finals run the pompoms were full out to cheer 'Canada's Team' from the national media. Canucks get their run and they're the villains from day 1. I could never really understand it.

 

[Burt Macklin]

To add to this, if you remember in the 2000's Calgary and Edmonton's Stanley Cup finals run the pompoms were full out to cheer 'Canada's Team' from the national media. Canucks get their run and they're the villains from day 1. I could never really understand it.

I think it had a lot to do with Kesler being painted as the villain from recent olympics, and also the way Raffi Torres played the game.

 

[RandV]

Kings had an absolute treasure-trove of picks, prospects, and young players to acquire whoever they wanted and absolutely blew it. I have no idea where Blake goes from here but he deserves all the criticism.

This is not quite accurate and a good example of the challenge in rebuilding. It's not that they had the assets to "acquire whoever they wanted", but rather they had the assets to acquire whoever became available. What would have really put them over the top? Trading for a guy like say Alex Barkov. But who was available at the time they pulled the trigger? PL Dubois.

You see this a lot, it's typically 2-3 big name players that become available every summer and the real challenge if you have the assets is waiting to jump on the right guy. Brian Burke for example, when he went to Anaheim and made a big splash right away Chris Pronger was available. He tried to do the same thing in Toronto, but that summer the big name available was Phil Kessel.

 

[StreetHawk]

This is not quite accurate and a good example of the challenge in rebuilding. It's not that they had the assets to "acquire whoever they wanted", but rather they had the assets to acquire whoever became available. What would have really put them over the top? Trading for a guy like say Alex Barkov. But who was available at the time they pulled the trigger? PL Dubois.

You see this a lot, it's typically 2-3 big name players that become available every summer and the real challenge if you have the assets is waiting to jump on the right guy. Brian Burke for example, when he went to Anaheim and made a big splash right away Chris Pronger was available. He tried to do the same thing in Toronto, but that summer the big name available was Phil Kessel.

Very few true UFAs ever hit the market. Talking the few over the past decade or something like a Tavares, Panarin, Gaborik or so.
If you want someone, have to trade for them.

I mean, did LA have the package to send to Cal to get Tkachuck? And was LA somewhere Tkachuck wanted to go? It would have had to be younger package than what Calgary targeted from FLA.

Obviously, LA gave up Faber. Vilardi has done well since overcoming his back problems. Still a player who misses a lot of games. Only 63 and 47 played the past 2 seasons. Maybe he's just got Salo type luck with injuries and can't be relied upon for a 75 game season.

I think those are the 2 big prospects they gave up on. Kupari hasn't really done anything yet. And the CBS deal with GAvrikov, I think that was mostly draft picks.

Maybe I just need a fresher of this treasure trove of prospects the Kings had 2 or 3 years ago?

 

[theguardianII]

Kings would eat over $27M in cash and also in cap hit. Some would be deferred for a number of years, but even factoring that into the account I think retaining up to $3M is an option even if they only got a bag of pucks for him.

If they buy him out now they save over 32 million but have a cap hit until 2038, not huge but it counts as one.
They could save more in retention and even get something, anything in return.
They were patient with Byfield IMO they give him another year at least until the TDL.

 

[vancityluongo]

To add to this, if you remember in the 2000's Calgary and Edmonton's Stanley Cup finals run the pompoms were full out to cheer 'Canada's Team' from the national media. Canucks get their run and they're the villains from day 1. I could never really understand it.

mike gillis and the canucks under him had no ins to the old boys club that was even more dominant in canadian media than it is now. the few links we had (linden, steve tambellini, brian burke) were heavily alienated against the franchise at that time. and they were up against an O6 squad with alumni in prominent HNIC positions - don cherry and pj stock being the loudest of the group. finally, the canucks most prominent players were a pair of swedes, a pissy american, no household name defensemen, and a polarizing goalie that hadn't yet endeared himself broadly.

there was no conspiracy against the canucks, or some aligned nationwide hatred like many of you still seem to hold onto. things would've been different if we had played tampa, had jonathan toews instead of kesler, or had a more prominent national sports writer than gary mason, in the mould of cox, spector, or simmons covering the team

 

[mathonwy]

edit

 

[valkynax]

Alright, time to chill and watch Dallas Stars vs Vegas LTIRs

 

[Peen]

Huge miss by Stone wow

 

[valkynax]

Huge miss by Stone wow

The game should be 2-0 now, if not 3-0.

The Stars look off, they are behind every play.

 

[mossey3535]

It's wild how little Benn cares about defence lol. He blew the zone when it didn't even look like they were going to get the puck out, let alone with possession.

 

[mossey3535]

Did anyone catch this where Marchand shoved a linesman? I swear to god this rat-boy gets away with everything.

 

[valkynax]

If it was not for Ottinger the game would be completely out of control, with Vegas leading by half a dozen goals by now.

 

[ProviesGhost]

Dallas missing some primo chances, glad it isn’t just our team LOL.

 

[Soups On]

Did anyone catch this where Marchand shoved a linesman? I swear to god this rat-boy gets away with everything.

Wow... Need to retroactively punish Canucks for that shit.

 

[arttk]

Let’s go game 7

 

[Grip it N RYP it]

Dammit Vegas. 1-0.

Stone next year:

"Uh, I had buttapocalypse. It's a rupture of the right buttcheek. Look it up."

"Are you fine?"

"I'm fine."

 

[Vector]

Back when we had both the AHL and IHL Chicago could be independent. But now that we are up to 32 NHL clubs with likely another expansion in the horizon they really can’t be. Not in a league that has created rules limit teams of older players.
Chicago has to accept that otherwise there’s really no where else they can be a part of.

Probably the worst AHL organization to affiliate with since all they care about is winning, zero care about development so if a young player struggles with them they’re basically screwed and won’t see much ice time.

 

[arttk]

we had Chicago for like 1 season right?

 

[Vector]

we had Chicago for like 1 season right?

Two seasons, I believe.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

LTIR seals it!