Around the League Thread | Holiday Season!

[StreetHawk]

Depends on how the NMC is worded. You can have an NMC with partial trade protection, for instance. NMCs always protect against being sent to the AHL, though.

From what has been said, sounds like agents are going to start demanding NMCs from the Rangers but will be open to partial trade protection.

Waivers have been a way for teams to get rid of a player to a lower ranked team, if that lower ranked team will want them.

Those clubs have trouble finding vets to sign with them, so adding someone, even with a higher cap works for them. Issue is whether that vet goes in with the right mindset to help that team or not.

Trouba had a NMC for 5 out of 7 seasons. The max protection typically drops in the final year or 2. Blues and Isles Dmen have full NTC until the final 2 years of their deals for example.

Like on the Trade board with MacTavish. An Ana poster said PV tried to sign guys in 2024, but they wouldn't sign with them. Well, you can't have both a low 60 point season and top 3 pick and then expect free agents to want to sign with you when they have options. Your club is over 30 points away from making the PO. Going to be like year 3 of their contract before they make it with you. Unless you are going to pay guys like Guentzal an extra $5 mill over what he got to bring his cap hit to like $9.7 from $9 even. But, it's also not enjoyable to lose.

 

[vancityluongo]

krieder is down to a 15 team NTC - would assume he gets moved in pretty short order

drury is getting a lot of hate (and moving kakko might earn it), but this could be a short term implosion that puts them in a better spot long term, if he doesn't fully butcher it. cashing out on kreider now while the perception is "rift with management" means that some dummy GM (maybe even the benning trophy favorite in trotz) will still pay the asset return of a top line winger for a guy who could fall off of a cliff anytime.

meanwhile 22 year old will cuylle is just outplaying kreider in every sense of the word and has effectively already replaced him in the lineup. if they can get rid of lindgren and find a proper partner for fox as part of the kreider disposition, they're in a great spot.

 

[StreetHawk]

krieder is down to a 15 team NTC - would assume he gets moved in pretty short order

Kreider like Trouba has no NMC. Just a MNTC to half the league. NYR operating within the confines of the contract and CBA.
Player may not like it, but very few ever have a full NMC throughout their contract. You need to be good enough to have the leverage to get it. He wasn't.

 

[Hodgy]

krieder is down to a 15 team NTC - would assume he gets moved in pretty short order

drury is getting a lot of hate (and moving kakko might earn it), but this could be a short term implosion that puts them in a better spot long term, if he doesn't fully butcher it. cashing out on kreider now while the perception is "rift with management" means that some dummy GM (maybe even the benning trophy favorite in trotz) will still pay the asset return of a top line winger for a guy who could fall off of a cliff anytime.

meanwhile 22 year old will cuylle is just outplaying kreider in every sense of the word and has effectively already replaced him in the lineup. if they can get rid of lindgren and find a proper partner for fox as part of the kreider disposition, they're in a great spot.

Ya, its obviously bad for them that they are having such a poor year, but the contracts for Kreider and Trouba were going to hurt them in the long run, and its doubtful that they would trade either if they were playing well.

 

[StreetHawk]

Ya, its obviously bad for them that they are having such a poor year, but the contracts for Kreider and Trouba were going to hurt them in the long run, and its doubtful that they would trade either if they were playing well.

Hard cap so always going to evaluate player’s production to cap hit.

 

[F A N]

He can be a play driver to an extent and at his best he has been.

Let's not forget that his last two 'full' years he was almost a point a game on a terrible team while sorting through injury and mental health stuff.

Well that's the thing. His last full year was 6 years ago. It's like if we ignore what Boeser did last season then we'll be looking at his best years being 6 and 7 years ago.

And he did this as a winger on a team that lacked elite centers or D (since Werenski was hurt a ton) and without finding chemistry with Gaudreau (RIP).

Dictating play as a winger is the hardest position to try to impact a game from in hockey. For better and for worse.

I think he gets underrated.

But even if you believe he can't get back to that. I mean, he could basically be a slightly light version of late career (like the last 10 years lol) OV and notch 35-45 goals a year on the back of his absolute rocket of a shot.

I don't disagree with that. My point is that it's too early to tell given that he does get injured and is prone to bad stretches. If he stays healthy enough to put up 35-45 goals a season then ya we're talking about a star winger. If not, you're getting that ~24-26 goals over ~55-57 games and he'll be looking for Guentzel money in his next deal (he makes $8.7M currently).

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Well that's the thing. His last full year was 6 years ago. It's like if we ignore what Boeser did last season then we'll be looking at his best years being 6 and 7 years ago.



I don't disagree with that. My point is that it's too early to tell given that he does get injured and is prone to bad stretches. If he stays healthy enough to put up 35-45 goals a season then ya we're talking about a star winger. If not, you're getting that ~24-26 goals over ~55-57 games and he'll be looking for Guentzel money in his next deal (he makes $8.7M currently).

Right, but he put up basically a point a game (while only playing 50+ games, but still) on a bad team only like 2 and 3 years ago.

And there's reason to think that his mental and physical challenges have been mitigated since then.

He's come into the season late after injury and I wouldn't be shocked to see him hit a wall with fitness, etc.

But I think he was a really astute pick up for Montreal and I'm excited for their fans who really appreciate the artistry of hockey and have been almost completely starved of star offensive talents since like 1985 (Kovalev and...?).

 

[F A N]

Not sure I would target Chris Kreider. You sort of expect players like him to rapidly fall off once they reach their 30s...

I think Kreider is and will age well. It's not like he's useless right now. His 11 goals would tie for 2nd on the team. Plus he has a history of coming up big in the playoffs. But that's wearing a Rangers jersey. Unless he plays for the Bruins or something, he might not have the same drive playing for another team.

 

[StreetHawk]

I think Kreider is and will age well. It's not like he's useless right now. His 11 goals would tie for 2nd on the team. Plus he has a history of coming up big in the playoffs. But that's wearing a Rangers jersey. Unless he plays for the Bruins or something, he might not have the same drive playing for another team.

That would be the main risk of a team willing to claim him if he was waived. Does he have the desire to help a bad team in the "intangible" department or would he check out mentally because he's not on a good team like he's been on for most of his career in NYR.

 

[Nuckles]

Ouch. Tkachuk needed help off the ice and to the locker room

 

[Quinning]

God, I would do illegal things to draft Gavin McKenna. Kid looks better than Bedard.

 

[valkynax]

Ouch. Tkachuk needed help off the ice and to the locker room

Yikes.

Think Kucherov will get a hearing?

 

[Kryten]

Yikes.

Think Kucherov will get a hearing?

Yea he will get 5 games. That will line up with the first ever female forward player Nikki Kucherovas debut

 

[Jerry the great]

i had no idea Kucherov was such a f***ing C*&$

 

[VanJack]

The implosion of the Rangers is the story of the NHL season so far.