Around the League Thread | Holiday Season!

[VanJack]

Sucks Trotz will tarnish his otherwise good reputation as a coach to being probably one of the worst GM’s of this decade when it’s all said and done.

I'll never understand why, when things go totally south like they have in Nashville, that the franchise owner is off the hook.

I mean Trotz didn't go out and sign fading stars to ridiculous, untradeable contacts, without the support or at least acquiescence of ownership.

But it was the same in Vancouver. For eight years, Benning basically ran the team into the ground. But the Aquilini's were meddling behind the scenes and giving him a 'vote of confidence' after every failed season.

 

[StreetHawk]

I'll never understand why, when things go totally south like they have in Nashville, that the franchise owner is off the hook.

I mean Trotz didn't go out and sign fading stars to ridiculous, untradeable contacts, without the support or at least acquiescence of ownership.

But it was the same in Vancouver. For eight years, Benning basically ran the team into the ground. But the Aquilini's were meddling behind the scenes and giving him a 'vote of confidence' after every failed season.

Nash has never been a terrible team especially not since the lockout and salary cap era of nearly 20 years now.

Whether these signings were at the behest of ownership or he got the ok from the owners to make these moves, I do think Nash like Carolina don’t want to endure 7-8 years of suffering like clubs in Ana/Ott/Det have endured. 2018/2017/2016 are the last times those clubs made the PO.

 

[Hodgy]

So Boston clearly let go of the wrong goalie, right?

What Boston should have been thinking last off season is whether:

1. They just by chance were able to acquire two Vezina caliber goalies and have them play on the same team at the same time (wow, what a coincidence!); or

2. They had an incredible team top to bottom that played an incredible defensive game thereby artificially increase their goalies SVP, GAA and wins.

 

[valkynax]

Leafs giving Sabres a beating.

And Stars scored on Rangers within 2 minutes of puck drop.

Business as usual, it appears.

 

[RobertKron]

I've heard that the Predators ownership is going to fire the Predators ownership

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

 

[PG Canuck]

 

[bandwagonesque]

There should be a means of punishing guys like Matt Rempe in a meaningful way, especially as they are starting out. He's played 22 games and in that span this is his second major suspension and he's thrown dirty hits to the head on maybe 3-4 players. The league basically just watches this happen.

 

[Jerry the great]

There should be a means of punishing guys like Matt Rempe in a meaningful way, especially as they are starting out. He's played 22 games and in that span this is his second major suspension and he's thrown dirty hits to the head on maybe 3-4 players. The league basically just watches this happen.

give him 25 games. he makes almost no money, it might have the desired effect.

 

[vancityluongo]

People here probably know I’m about the biggest anti-tanking guy there is.

Nashville is cooked. They’re done. There is no way to fix things there. They have literally zero average-or-better position players between the age of 20 and 30. They have no choice but a full teardown.


I made a post a few years ago showing the most money owed to age 30+ players 3+ years out and they were screwed then - I think they had more owing than the 2nd and 3rd place teams combined.

Poile in his last year made a few prudent moves and Trotz’ first year wasn’t bad and they managed to extend their ‘playoff team’ window a bit, but this past offseason took a flamethrower to that. They’re done. They’re the 2016 Canucks. Their main priority should be trading Saros/Josi/Forsberg for maximum returns.

trotz' worst transaction is going to be moving askarov

the kid is legit. going to be the next perennial vezina candidate. putting on a clinic today against the oilers

crazy that they had an elite bluechip rebuild piece in-house, and just went all-in on the absolute wrong direction

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Laine finding all the holes atm.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Brodin with one of the fattest pizzas this season hahahahahahaha

Laine finding all the holes atm.

@SopelFanThe3rd

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Buffalo has lost 11 straight since beating the Canucks in ot.

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

Brodin with one of the fattest pizzas this season hahahahahahaha



@SopelFanThe3rd

I'd like to find all your holes

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

I'd like to find all your holes

No atm reference fail

 

[Jerry the great]

Buffalo has lost 11 straight since beating the Canucks in ot.

???? We won that game in OT and they’ve lost 12 now.

 

[Kryten]

Some more interesting insight into the tire fire in New York. If I'm reading this right, the team does not permit their Social Media/PR group to travel with the team anymore (or at least not in the same hotels) after an "incident" where a player and an employee went for dinner last spring?

(there's more screenshots from the article in the replies)

Social media dept likely all young 20s women, and an incident involving a player and “went to dinner”. Pretty easy to read between the lines and not really a tire fire moment. More likely pissed off wives and an employer trying to prevent it from happening again. Players will do what they do on the road but employers can protect themselves by making sure it isnt two employees

 

[timw33]

Laine finding all the holes atm.

He's one off the lead for first in PPGs this season in only like 10 games. Surely this will keep up and be sustainable.

 

[wetcoast]

What’s next for the Predators? Despite disappointment, GM Barry Trotz says: ‘We’re not selling off’

“It’s not a rebuild,” Preds general manager Barry Trotz told The Athletic on Thursday. “I’m not in the business of not winning. I’m in the business of trying to win. We’re not selling off. We are resetting. We know where we are. It’s not where we thought we would be."


“I had tried to get Justin from the Canadiens last year,” Trotz said. “I just felt that we needed a right-shot who was age-appropriate."

“I want to set myself up for the summer,” Trotz said. “We will look at the free-agent market.


Shades of Benning.

Complete Denial.

Even their pipeline is a bunch of "Ya they could become good complementary pieces types"

 

[valkynax]

Complete Denial.

Even their pipeline is a bunch of "Ya they could become good complementary pieces types"

It's OK, when I look at NSH, I can confidently say that I like this team - I like the core players. This is a team we can turn around in a hurry.

 

[MS]

Complete Denial.

Even their pipeline is a bunch of "Ya they could become good complementary pieces types"

It literally reads like Benning quotes from 2016 except with better grammar/English.

 

[valkynax]

It literally reads like Benning quotes from 2016 except with better grammar/English.

I feel like I'm travelling back in time.

 

[VanJack]

I guess the vultures who sometimes pass as rival GM's are circling the Sebres these days. So many talented young players, who've just died on the vine in Buffalo......just waiting for a fresh start somewhere else.

But I guess Buffalo offers a cautionary tale on the notion that a total tear-down, and rebuild with high draft picks, will inevitably bring success on the ice.

Looking back, in the 2015 entry draft, the Sabres lost out to the Oilers, who plucked McDavid and the Sabres settled for Eichel. Would McDavid have replicated the success he's had in Edmonton, if he'd been drafted by the Sabres?

I suspect he might have transformed that sad-sack Buffalo franchise. Sometimes you need 'luck' as much as 'good drafting'.

 

[Ernie]

I guess the vultures who sometimes pass as rival GM's are circling the Sebres these days. So many talented young players, who've just died on the vine in Buffalo......just waiting for a fresh start somewhere else.

But I guess Buffalo offers a cautionary tale on the notion that a total tear-down, and rebuild with high draft picks, will inevitably bring success on the ice.

Looking back, in the 2015 entry draft, the Sabres lost out to the Oilers, who plucked McDavid and the Sabres settled for Eichel. Would McDavid have replicated the success he's had in Edmonton, if he'd been drafted by the Sabres?

I suspect he might have transformed that sad-sack Buffalo franchise. Sometimes you need 'luck' as much as 'good drafting'.

Your need a competent management team regardless of what path you take. Nothing more to it than that.

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

It literally reads like Benning quotes from 2016 except with better grammar/English.

To be fair to Trotz, he was put into a position where he was pretty much guaranteed to fail. No prior management experience and like Linden being given too big a job right away on an aging team that has never really done a rebuild in its history. He was basically given the job because of his relationship with Poile. He needed at least another year to learn the management side of the job. The biggest being learning the cap and that you can’t just spend a bunch of money on players you wanted to coach.

At least with Trotz learning on the job is somewhat justified as Benning had years of AGM experience, while this is Trotz’s first management experience. That teams even hire managers with no experience is crazy though. This doesn’t really happen in the real world. Starbucks Managers were Assistant Managers first.

Other GMs should have Trotz on speed dial