Around the League Part XIII: The season's here, and so still is this thread!

[Benjamin]

HF may as well just be a live update of every ones twitter from TSN and Sportsnet with no discussion allowed. No matter what I say, im wrong because im not getting paid by an NHL team or broadcaster.

 

[aragorn]

HF may as well just be a live update of every ones twitter from TSN and Sportsnet with no discussion allowed. No matter what I say, im wrong because im not getting paid by an NHL team or broadcaster.

I'm saying to have a little respect for the people who have made it to the highest level of their sport. We all have opinions but they aren't always right & they have opinions which we don't always agree with. It's disrespectful to call other human beings garbage as some do with players they don't like, it's disrespectful to call analysts idiots if you disagree with their opinion or say they are not knowledgeable when they clearly are. They have a different opinion than maybe we do & that is okay to point out without demeaning another person. We can disagree with their opinion with class but we don't have to be so ignorant, rude or disrespectful about it, do we? They deserve some respect IMO.

 

[Knave]

I'm saying to have a little respect for the people who have made it to the highest level of their sport. We all have opinions but they aren't always right & they have opinions which we don't always agree with. It's disrespectful to call other human beings garbage as some do with players they don't like, it's disrespectful to call analysts idiots if you disagree with their opinion or say they are not knowledgeable when they clearly are. They have a different opinion than maybe we do & that is okay to point out without demeaning another person. We can disagree with their opinion with class but we don't have to be so ignorant, rude or disrespectful about it, do we? They deserve some respect IMO.

Not if they're always wrong and have big mouths on them.

 

[Benjamin]

I'm saying to have a little respect for the people who have made it to the highest level of their sport. We all have opinions but they aren't always right & they have opinions which we don't always agree with. It's disrespectful to call other human beings garbage as some do with players they don't like, it's disrespectful to call analysts idiots if you disagree with their opinion or say they are not knowledgeable when they clearly are. They have a different opinion than maybe we do & that is okay to point out without demeaning another person. We can disagree with their opinion with class but we don't have to be so ignorant, rude or disrespectful about it, do we? They deserve some respect IMO.

People at the highest level aren't always right, as well. Fans call GM's mistakes all the time. http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1394645

Dont forget you're on the internet. The internet is majority hyperbole. Dont take obvious hyperbole serious.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=garbage

 

[HavlatMach9]

it's about weighing the odds and justifying trades. that is more important than results which wary

 

[Qward]

I have to respect Kypreos because he played the game? He was a bone head on the ice and is one off the ice. He is the guy that couldn't understand why Ottawa put "O's" on their thirds. He thought we put zeros on them.

Mike Milbury played the game. He was also a GM that continuously made his team worse. Do we have to respect the guy that beat a guy with his own shoe?

Doug MacLean was a GM too. Horrible at drafting and trading. Do we have to respect him?

Simmers reminds us every show that he was a scout for Washington. Do we have to respect him because he was in the league?


Respect is earned. Not given.

I respect Bob MacKenzie, Paul Lebron and even Dreger to a degree.

 

[Cosmix]

I'm saying to have a little respect for the people who have made it to the highest level of their sport. We all have opinions but they aren't always right & they have opinions which we don't always agree with. It's disrespectful to call other human beings garbage as some do with players they don't like, it's disrespectful to call analysts idiots if you disagree with their opinion or say they are not knowledgeable when they clearly are. They have a different opinion than maybe we do & that is okay to point out without demeaning another person. We can disagree with their opinion with class but we don't have to be so ignorant, rude or disrespectful about it, do we? They deserve some respect IMO.

I agree with this. And add that we, as posters, should show respect for one another!

 

[Ice-Tray]

I have to respect Kypreos because he played the game? He was a bone head on the ice and is one off the ice. He is the guy that couldn't understand why Ottawa put "O's" on their thirds. He thought we put zeros on them.

Mike Milbury played the game. He was also a GM that continuously made his team worse. Do we have to respect the guy that beat a guy with his own shoe?

Doug MacLean was a GM too. Horrible at drafting and trading. Do we have to respect him?

Simmers reminds us every show that he was a scout for Washington. Do we have to respect him because he was in the league?


Respect is earned. Not given.

I respect Bob MacKenzie, Paul Lebron and even Dreger to a degree.

There is a difference between liking and respecting achievements. You have to have SOME respect for these guys because they were obviously chosen for their various positions based on merit.

That they didn't end up being great at it doesn't mean that they are all of a sudden devoid of talent. On an NHL hockey forum, there should be at least a base level of respect for guys who had careers in the league. Even if Kipper isn't breaking trades, he has a ton of insight into the game and the goings on behind the scenes. It always annoyed me when people trashed Potvin on here, as though their personal fan opinion was be even slightly interesting compared to a GOAT defenceman.

As for posters on here? Some good opinions, and discussion, but it should be remembered that folks on here make decisions based on hindsight, they spout theories with nothing on the line, and with no consequences when they're wrong (note how sore people get when posters bring up previous posted mistakes). The reality is that none of us could walk in and run a team, recognizing this simple fact would go a long way to helping posters respect others for their achievements, even if they failed in the end.

Aragorn makes some solid points in my mind, people are often rude around here in regards to players and management that they don't like, with little respect or loyalty. However, that is likely because this is an anonymous forum. None of the fans here would say any of their nasty opinions to a players face, or a team manager's. My opinion is that if you wouldn't have the courage to say it to someone's face and defend it, you shouldn't say it at all.

 

[God Says No]

Just because they are in the highest position at their current sport, it doesn't shield them from criticism. What is this North Korea? They will make mistakes, just like everyone else here, and we should have the right to call them out. Your whole spiel "we shouldn't question the powers that be" is such a cop out because you can't come up with a good counter argument. Remember this:

Think for yourself. Question authority.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Just because they are in the highest position at their current sport, it doesn't shield them from criticism. What is this North Korea? They will make mistakes, just like everyone else here, and we should have the right to call them out. Your whole spiel "we shouldn't question the powers that be" is such a cop out because you can't come up with a good counter argument. Remember this:

Think for yourself. Question authority.

Clearly his point was that we should be respectful of people while critiquing them. Reading comprehension first, then think for yourself

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I doubt Kypreos is as dumb as the part he plays on Sportsnet

However that's the only exposure I have to the man and therefore I think he's a tool

 

[God Says No]

Clearly his point was that we should be respectful of people while critiquing them. Reading comprehension first, then think for yourself

I'm not talking about that post directly, hence I did not quote it. I'm talking about his recent posts where he relies on the "X is a pro hence he knows best and he knows more than you or I and we should not question it" argument.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Just because they are in the highest position at their current sport, it doesn't shield them from criticism. What is this North Korea? They will make mistakes, just like everyone else here, and we should have the right to call them out. Your whole spiel "we shouldn't question the powers that be" is such a cop out because you can't come up with a good counter argument. Remember this:

Think for yourself. Question authority.

I'm with this guy. The idea that we should yield to any kind of anointed authority is a terrifying and dangerous mentality.

Lets face it, a lot of these older guys in the game made it through a high level of nepotism and general white frat boy preferential treatment. Doug Maclean is the poster boy for this. The reason why he has a job now, is because he can point to a NHL resume but be the biggest shill for Rogers imaginable. The man will constantly and shamelessly tow the company line as long as he's allowed to indulge in his own self promotion. Half his noon hour show is him telling us about how he drafted Rick Nash that one time (though, he's bringing that up less and less these days...) or him plugging a local car dealership that gave him a sweet deal.

Another thing I hate about him is how willing he is to talk on and on about subjects he clearly isn't informed on. Listening to him talk about the Sens is just painful and its amusing for him to pretend that he watched the game he's commenting on. Again, this is dangerous practice in the real world. Its not a big deal in sports but lets face it, its common practice in all media.

Never believe anyone at face value who is paid to have a microphone to their mouth, because someone is paying them.

There are plenty of old boys I do like and that's because they are just much better at articulating their knowledge of the game. Even Don Cherry makes good points and actually brings some substance to the table. Denis Potvin is great to listen to for stories about how it used to be since he's fully aware of how much things have changed, somethings guys like Maclean are not willing to admit.

Shawn Simpson is the worst. Again, just a man who is simply fortunate to be where he is and doesn't have the skills to be in his position. Very willing to spew ignorance and never willing to acknowledge he doesn't know something or was ever wrong in the past. The type of person who will never learn from a mistake and probably has his bookie on speed dial.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I'm with this guy. The idea that we should yield to any kind of anointed authority is a terrifying and dangerous mentality.

Lets face it, a lot of these older guys in the game made it through a high level of nepotism and general white frat boy preferential treatment. Doug Maclean is the poster boy for this. The reason why he has a job now, is because he can point to a NHL resume but be the biggest shill for Rogers imaginable. The man will constantly and shamelessly tow the company line as long as he's allowed to indulge in his own self promotion. Half his noon hour show is him telling us about how he drafted Rick Nash that one time (though, he's bringing that up less and less these days...) or him plugging a local car dealership that gave him a sweet deal.

Another thing I hate about him is how willing he is to talk on and on about subjects he clearly isn't informed on. Listening to him talk about the Sens is just painful and its amusing for him to pretend that he watched the game he's commenting on. Again, this is dangerous practice in the real world. Its not a big deal in sports but lets face it, its common practice in all media.

Never believe anyone at face value who is paid to have a microphone to their mouth, because someone is paying them.

There are plenty of old boys I do like and that's because they are just much better at articulating their knowledge of the game. Even Don Cherry makes good points and actually brings some substance to the table. Denis Potvin is great to listen to for stories about how it used to be since he's fully aware of how much things have changed, somethings guys like Maclean are not willing to admit.

Shawn Simpson is the worst. Again, just a man who is simply fortunate to be where he is and doesn't have the skills to be in his position. Very willing to spew ignorance and never willing to acknowledge he doesn't know something or was ever wrong in the past. The type of person who will never learn from a mistake and probably has his bookie on speed dial.

Definitely agreed. Bolded part especially.

I definitely had my eyes opened about the media in general over the past few years. I was at an incident that made the news a few years back, and the difference between reality and what was reported was mind-blowing.

In hockey specifically, I've been a close follower of Tortorella since he left Tampa and did that little gig on TSN. It is amazing the difference in what that man says in a full press conference compared to the 5-second clips shown on TV or hyped about in the media. And it's scary how many people lap it up. (Just look at some Vancouver fans complain about blocked shots, when statistically, they blocked pretty much the same number as they did with Vigneault.)

It's scary to see the kind of crazy spin the media and talking heads can make by creative editing and using either overly-flattering or negative photos attached to an article. It's damned near close to brainwashing.

 

[Super Cake]

What the **** is going on this preseason?

Why is so many players getting injured?

 

[Caeldan]

What the **** is going on this preseason?

Why is so many players getting injured?

What happened now?

 

[Super Cake]

What happened now?

Rob Mixer ‏@RobMixer
Broken hand for Boone Jenner. Timetable will be known later this week, #CBJ says.

@Aportzline: ICYMI: #CBJ Boone Jenner suffers broken left hand; entire projected first line injured or unsigned http://t.co/B6mmbA96gC

 

[HavlatMach9]

kari lehtonen left the game because he was hurt

spezza/seguin beasting tonight on the PP

 

[Qward]

1g 2a 3pts and a -2.
Classic Spezza.

 

[Icelevel]

They like spezza

We absolutely robbed Ottawa. I can't get over how dynamic Spezza is and how little we gave up to get him

Spezza and Hemsky rule.

Spezza is awesome.

The ****ing hands on Spezza and Hemsky... Amazing.

I ****ing love Spezza. He's looking so much better in this pre-season than he was last year

Spezza is a constant menace out there in the offensive zone. The puck explodes off KConn's stick even if he doesn't wind up or try to kill it.

I'm going to fall in love with Jason Spezza omg

 

[God Says No]

****, that first post really irks me because it's true.

 

[Icelevel]

****, that first post really irks me because it's true.

unfortunately yeah it hurts if you think about it. best not to think about it.

 

[BonkTastic]

Rob Mixer ‏@RobMixer
Broken hand for Boone Jenner. Timetable will be known later this week, #CBJ says.

@Aportzline: ICYMI: #CBJ Boone Jenner suffers broken left hand; entire projected first line injured or unsigned http://t.co/B6mmbA96gC

Wait, Boone Jenner was on their 1st line?

Seriously?

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I'm a huge fan of Spezza but let's give it time

It's easy to fawn over his skill set at first. Besides, the Stars want to go deep in the playoffs so let's see if they reach their goal before clamouring we got robbed

It bears reminding that we got Chiasson who is looking good, Paul who seems like a solid prospect, Guptill who's a bit of an enigma (I have high hopes in terms of Richardson's ability to turn him into a better player) and a 2nd in a deep draft

Dallas got the better immediate return but, if we are lucky, all those pieces could provide us with NHL players and that's nothing to scoff at

 

[HavlatMach9]

well a preseason game with a 31-year old spezza is as good a time as any to realize how good he is

and dallas didn't rob the Sens, Spezza robbed the Sens , but at least he was good to let us know a year early

also wtf is up with the center depth in the West
Duchene/Mackinnon
Toews/Richards ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Getzlaf/Kesler
Segin/Spezza
Thornton/Couture
Kopitar/Carter

we have Turris/TBD, well luckily we're in the East