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[a79krgm]

Denis Savard used to smoke between shifts DURING a period!

 

[TaLoN]

Training camp starts Jan 3rd

 

[TaLoN]

 

[keppel146]

Lightning sign Cirelli

 

[grN1g]

I find the tactic TB used shady as hell and less than pleased the league allowed them to get away with it.

 

[AKL]

I find the tactic TB used shady as hell and less than pleased the league allowed them to get away with it.

The reckoning is still coming. They're like 2.3M over the cap after signing Cirelli, with Kucherov's hit already factored out. Which means they need to shed at least 3M in 3 weeks. That still means getting rid of a Johnson, Killorn, Palat.

Next summer, the only guys coming off the books are worth 1.8M or less (6 players in total, I believe), and Kucherov's cap hit comes back. Which means they're just delaying the inevitable.

In 2022, Palat will need a raise from his 6.75M, and even though Palat's contract expires that summer, they'll still need to move another expensive piece to make room for him.

They can't keep paying Kucherov and Vasilevski 9.5, Stamkos 8.5, Hedman 7.9, McDonCirelli, Sergachev in the high 4's. Push will come to shove and they'll move a big name.

 

[2Pair]

I find the tactic TB used shady as hell and less than pleased the league allowed them to get away with it.

The league wasn't smart enough to fix this rule 5 years ago after the Hawks won a cup because of it. hard to blame the Lightning for taking advantage of their incompetence.

 

[keppel146]

The reckoning is still coming. They're like 2.3M over the cap after signing Cirelli, with Kucherov's hit already factored out. Which means they need to shed at least 3M in 3 weeks. That still means getting rid of a Johnson, Killorn, Palat.

Next summer, the only guys coming off the books are worth 1.8M or less (6 players in total, I believe), and Kucherov's cap hit comes back. Which means they're just delaying the inevitable.

In 2022, Palat will need a raise from his 6.75M, and even though Palat's contract expires that summer, they'll still need to move another expensive piece to make room for him.

They can't keep paying Kucherov and Vasilevski 9.5, Stamkos 8.5, Hedman 7.9, McDonCirelli, Sergachev in the high 4's. Push will come to shove and they'll move a big name.

(Side note: I’m sorry, but no goalie is worth that much imo. Kinda like RBs in football. Good luck.)

 

[P10p]

Anyone who thinks the Lightning buried Kuch on IR for cap relief is borderline mental..

 

[AKL]

Anyone who thinks the Lightning buried Kuch on IR for cap relief is borderline mental..

There's no doubt that he has a valid reason to be on IR to start the season, but anyone that thinks the Lightning have already declared their best player out for the entire season without waiting to see if he'll be good to go later on is even more mental.

My money says he'll be playing round one of the playoffs, which is exactly what Chicago did when Kane got injured several years back. He could have returned during the regular season, but Chicago had already overspent due to his cap hit not counting. They shut him down for the rest of the regular season "to be safe", and he was magically good to go game 1 of the playoffs.

 

[2Pair]

Anyone who thinks the Lightning buried Kuch on IR for cap relief is borderline mental..

Anyone with this take on the situation doesn't really understand the situation.

 

[TaLoN]

There's no doubt that he has a valid reason to be on IR to start the season, but anyone that thinks the Lightning have already declared their best player out for the entire season without waiting to see if he'll be good to go later on is even more mental.

My money says he'll be playing round one of the playoffs, which is exactly what Chicago did when Kane got injured several years back. He could have returned during the regular season, but Chicago had already overspent due to his cap hit not counting. They shut him down for the rest of the regular season "to be safe", and he was magically good to go game 1 of the playoffs.

Out for the regular season is out for the regular season. Cap has no impact on post season.

 

[57special]

You don't concoct an injury for your best player(arguably)that will make him miss the entire regular season so you can a middle six C or a second pairing Dman.

Looking forward to the day that we can LTIR Parise, though, and the more that we see the LTIR being used, the less likely it will be that it is challenged when we finally get around to using it on ZP without penalty.

 

[AKL]

Out for the regular season is out for the regular season. Cap has no impact on post season.

Yes I know, that's exactly the point.

 

[TaLoN]

Yes I know, that's exactly the point.

They're not declaring their best player out for the year to bypass cap problems.

It happens, it's legit, I see no "loophole" that needs closing.

 

[AKL]

They're not declaring their best player out for the year to bypass cap problems.

It happens, it's legit, I see no "loophole" that needs closing.

I'll eat crow on this one if I'm wrong, but he will play in round one of the playoffs. And that is by design by the Lightning because of what you said.

 

[TaLoN]

I'll eat crow on this one if I'm wrong, but he will play in round one of the playoffs. And that is by design by the Lightning because of what you said.

He very well may play in the first round... if they even make it there... but imo that's not confirmation of anything. They're simply a MUCH better team with him, and they would gladly have him on the ice come regular season if they could.

Having a legit injury and being out that length of time, everyone would want to be cautious on his return.

 

[grN1g]

The "loophole" is the fact they made kuch wait until it was absolutely necessary to fix their cap problems.

If it was that serious why didn't he get surgery as soon as he could? Simple, they asked him to wait. They knew they could use the ltir loophole on a shorten season.

 

[P10p]

Anyone with this take on the situation doesn't really understand the situation.

Educate us please. I'm calling out people who think the lightning or any team would use Kucherov, arguably the best player in the league, as a ltir scapegoat.

The "loophole" is the fact they made kuch wait until it was absolutely necessary to fix their cap problems.

If it was that serious why didn't he get surgery as soon as he could? Simple, they asked him to wait. They knew they could use the ltir loophole on a shorten season.

You're making so many assumptions to draw your conclusion holy hell I hope you are drinking..

 

[TaLoN]

The "loophole" is the fact they made kuch wait until it was absolutely necessary to fix their cap problems.

If it was that serious why didn't he get surgery as soon as he could? Simple, they asked him to wait. They knew they could use the ltir loophole on a shorten season.

Teams can't force players to have surgery or wait on it. We saw that with Zach and his back problems before he finally chose to go under the knife.

Surgery is 100% in player control, not at all under team control.

 

[2Pair]

Educate us please. I'm calling out people who think the lightning or any team would use Kucherov, arguably the best player in the league, as a ltir scapegoat.



You're making so many assumptions to draw your conclusion holy hell I hope you are drinking..

Is it really that hard to understand? Kucherov has an injury that requires a surgery and likely 3+ month recovery. Kucherov and the lightning are left with two options-
1. Have the surgery as soon as possible after the Cup finals, go through the rehab and get back into the lineup as soon as possible. Probably looking at best case play 25-ish regular season games? this option also requires that the Lightning dump at least 2 of McDonaugh, Killorn, Palat, Cirelli to be cap compliant for this season.

2. Hold off on having the surgery until you at least know what the season will look like, go through with the rehab with the goal to be ready by the 1st game of the playoffs. You really think that Kucherov is going to object to missing 20 regular season games if it means his chances of winning another cup can be improved that much? You think the Lightning wouldn't prefer this route?

 

[2Pair]

They're not declaring their best player out for the year to bypass cap problems.

It happens, it's legit, I see no "loophole" that needs closing.

The loophole that needs closing is really painfully obvious. Make it a rule that a player can't finish the season on LTIR and be eligible for the playoffs. Any chance of trying to manipulate the salary cap instantly disappears.

 

[TaLoN]

Is it really that hard to understand? Kucherov has an injury that requires a surgery and likely 3+ month recovery. Kucherov and the lightning are left with two options-
1. Have the surgery as soon as possible after the Cup finals, go through the rehab and get back into the lineup as soon as possible. Probably looking at best case play 25-ish regular season games? this option also requires that the Lightning dump at least 2 of McDonaugh, Killorn, Palat, Cirelli to be cap compliant for this season.

2. Hold off on having the surgery until you at least know what the season will look like, go through with the rehab with the goal to be ready by the 1st game of the playoffs. You really think that Kucherov is going to object to missing 20 regular season games if it means his chances of winning another cup can be improved that much? You think the Lightning wouldn't prefer this route?

I'm sure Kucherov and the lightning would prefer he's in top form come playoffs, something he's not likely to be in just coming out of rehab with zero games.

 

[2Pair]

I'm sure Kucherov and the lightning would prefer he's in top form come playoffs, something he's not likely to be in just coming out of rehab with zero games.

Not at the expense of two or more of his teammates.

 

[TaLoN]

Not at the expense of two or more of his teammates.

You and I aren't going to agree here.

You can't force people to have surgery.