Around the League 47: Vancouver Collects All The Petterssons

[Blueline Bomber]

Think you are missing the big picture: If you are a visiting player and the visiting locker is first class it leaves you with a very positive impression of that organization. That comes in handy when those players are on the market and you call them expressing interest in their services.

Except if they were interested in anything like that and base their decision off of that, they’d do it off the home locker room, since that’s what they’d be using. And to my understanding, the home locker room is miles better than the away, probably intentionally so.

 

[tarheelhockey]

So, like the 1973-2008 Bruins?

But really just the Ray Bourque Bruins teams.

I might be off base here, but aren’t the Bruins the likely choice for best regular season team over the past 50 years? I know they’ve only missed the playoffs seven times and had a slew of 100-point teams during that span.

For that all to amount to only 1 Cup, and that one only by the skin of their teeth, is pretty wild. Nobody really talks about it, but one game in 2011 kept them from being a Leafs-like punching bag. Guys like Bergeron and Chara have a completely different legacy because of that game.

 

[Joe McGrath]

I might be off base here, but aren’t the Bruins the likely choice for best regular season team over the past 50 years? I know they’ve only missed the playoffs seven times and had a slew of 100-point teams during that span.

For that all to amount to only 1 Cup, and that one only by the skin of their teeth, is pretty wild. Nobody really talks about it, but one game in 2011 kept them from being a Leafs-like punching bag. Guys like Bergeron and Chara have a completely different legacy because of that game.

Going back to the WHA expansion - the Bruins have almost 200 more points in the standings than the closest team. Only Vegas has a better points % but obviously they don’t count for something like this.

The story is pretty similar if you go back to their last Cup with Orr.

Funny side note - despite the Canes recent success, they are 20th among the 21 teams that were in that first post WHA season. Only Winnipeg/Arizona is worse and that franchise ended, technically.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Going back to the WHA expansion - the Bruins have almost 200 more points in the standings than the closest team. Only Vegas has a better points % but obviously they don’t count for something like this.

The story is pretty similar if you go back to their last Cup with Orr.

Damn, that’s an even bigger gap than expected.

Even if we take it all the way back to the Orr era, granted they won 2 Cups but that involved some serious choking in years when they really ought to have won more. Especially in ‘71.

And before that you have to go all the way back to WWII.

Which really puts into perspective that Game 7 in 2011 was the only thing keeping them from having only those two Orr-led Cups to show for the past eighty four years. That’s Rangers-level postseason futility from a franchise that has Vegas-level winning history.

Funny side note - despite the Canes recent success, they are 20th among the 21 teams that were in that first post WHA season. Only Winnipeg/Arizona is worse and that franchise ended, technically.

The idea of the Winnipeg/Arizona franchise just ending is still something that I have a hard time registering.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Damn, that’s an even bigger gap than expected.

Even if we take it all the way back to the Orr era, granted they won 2 Cups but that involved some serious choking in years when they really ought to have won more. Especially in ‘71.

And before that you have to go all the way back to WWII.

Which really puts into perspective that Game 7 in 2011 was the only thing keeping them from having only those two Orr-led Cups to show for the past eighty four years. That’s Rangers-level postseason futility from a franchise that has Vegas-level winning history.

Interestingly, only the Oilers/Penguins/Red Wings have been to more finals than the Bruins since the merger. Red Wings and Penguins only 1 more with 6. They just won most of theirs.

The Rangers have been to 2. Chicago has only been to 4 (but won 3). And of course the Leafs have never won 3 rounds in the playoffs.

 

[AD Skinner]

I feel like it doesn’t get talked about enough but those stats really drive home how impressive 2 finals in 5 years (really 4 since there was no 05 season) was for the canes. We saw a lot of mini dynasties since then with Chicago and LA and Tampa but that doesn’t diminish how wild that was

 

[chaz4hockey]

Damn, that’s an even bigger gap than expected.

Even if we take it all the way back to the Orr era, granted they won 2 Cups but that involved some serious choking in years when they really ought to have won more. Especially in ‘71.

And before that you have to go all the way back to WWII.

Which really puts into perspective that Game 7 in 2011 was the only thing keeping them from having only those two Orr-led Cups to show for the past eighty four years. That’s Rangers-level postseason futility from a franchise that has Vegas-level winning history.



The idea of the Winnipeg/Arizona franchise just ending is still something that I have a hard time registering.

Those late 60's through early 70's Bruins teams were great and with Orr/Espo and the rest of the squad also very entertaining to watch (they weren't mid 70's Philly but they were also very tough).

btw: agree on '71...I remember listening to that game on my transistor radio (lol, I'm old)

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Mark Stone to LTIR as soon as the tournament is over.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Friedman reporting that Rangers will move heaven and earth to get Mikko (if he doesn't sign with the Canes). I always look at this as a form of tampering using him as a buffer to protect the team leaking the info.

 

[Chrispy]

Friedman reporting that Rangers will move heaven and earth to get Mikko (if he doesn't sign with the Canes). I always look at this as a form of tampering using him as a buffer to protect the team leaking the info.

That's all well and good, but they are going to need to move a lot more than heaven and earth to fit Rantanen in.

Right now they are looking at ~18.7M in cap space with a $95.5M cap ceiling. They have 2 UFA forwards, 2 UFA D, and a UFA backup goalie.

They also have RFAs to sign: Edstrom, Cuylle, Kaliyev (will walk), Rempe, Ke'Andre Miller, Vaakanainen, and Zac Jones.

If they are paying ~$15M to Mikko how do they fit any raises for RFAs and backfill those other openings?? No one is taking Zibanejad, who turns 32 this season, through 2030. Panarin has 1 year left, so I guess they could sell cheap on him if they wanted.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

That's all well and good, but they are going to need to move a lot more than heaven and earth to fit Rantanen in.

Right now they are looking at ~18.7M in cap space with a $95.5M cap ceiling. They have 2 UFA forwards, 2 UFA D, and a UFA backup goalie.

They also have RFAs to sign: Edstrom, Cuylle, Kaliyev (will walk), Rempe, Ke'Andre Miller, Vaakanainen, and Zac Jones.

If they are paying ~$15M to Mikko how do they fit any raises for RFAs and backfill those other openings?? No one is taking Zibanejad, who turns 32 this season, through 2030. Panarin has 1 year left, so I guess they could sell cheap on him if they wanted.

When it comes to GMs taking bad contracts (especially from the Rangers somehow) never assume they can't pull it off.

 

[chaz4hockey]

That's all well and good, but they are going to need to move a lot more than heaven and earth to fit Rantanen in.

Right now they are looking at ~18.7M in cap space with a $95.5M cap ceiling. They have 2 UFA forwards, 2 UFA D, and a UFA backup goalie.

They also have RFAs to sign: Edstrom, Cuylle, Kaliyev (will walk), Rempe, Ke'Andre Miller, Vaakanainen, and Zac Jones.

If they are paying ~$15M to Mikko how do they fit any raises for RFAs and backfill those other openings?? No one is taking Zibanejad, who turns 32 this season, through 2030. Panarin has 1 year left, so I guess they could sell cheap on him if they wanted.

I think Bread would be a logical move as he still plays at a good level. Drury has shown he can move crap contracts too.

Thus, I don’t underestimate the move here. Now, we’ve heard that MR prefers a non-city environment so perhaps NYC is not his preferred place but…..

 

[A Star is Burns]

It's kind of interesting that we've heard both that Mikko is a bit of a (elite) passenger that was propped up to an extent by MacKinnon but also that we clearly value him much higher than that, as do at least New York and Chicago, reportedly (and I'm sure others to be reported). Always an agenda.

 

[Daeavorn]

If Mikko doesnt sign with us and the Rags somehow get him, I will be very upset.

I am still unsure about the signing. I don't like to be a cynic so I am hoping for the best here.

 

[WreckingCrew]

If Mikko doesnt sign with us and the Rags somehow get him, I will be very upset.

I am still unsure about the signing. I don't like to be a cynic so I am hoping for the best here.

I mean if they want to offer us something like Cuylle, Perreault, & Schneider at TDL I probably wouldn't say no

 

[Bunch of Jurcos]

I mean if they want to offer us something like Cuylle, Perreault, & Schneider at TDL I probably wouldn't say no probably

I really want Mikko here as it's amazing to have a franchise level player in Carolina, but for those three pieces and an unprotected first, I'll drive him to the airport myself.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

The only way giving away Necas winds up not being a big mistake is if we re-sign Rants long term. So hopefully we can do that or I'll forever wonder what if. Drury and the picks, whatever, but Necas was a core piece here that we only moved because we had an opportunity to get a superstar player, the likes of which extremely rarely come available. If we can't re-sign Rants, the trade was a failure.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

The only way giving away Necas winds up not being a big mistake is if we re-sign Rants long term. So hopefully we can do that or I'll forever wonder what if. Drury and the picks, whatever, but Necas was a core piece here that we only moved because we had an opportunity to get a superstar player, the likes of which extremely rarely come available. If we can't re-sign Rants, the trade was a failure.

I mean, we only had Necas for maybe another year, so calling him a core piece is a little generous

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

I might be off base here, but aren’t the Bruins the likely choice for best regular season team over the past 50 years? I know they’ve only missed the playoffs seven times and had a slew of 100-point teams during that span.

For that all to amount to only 1 Cup, and that one only by the skin of their teeth, is pretty wild. Nobody really talks about it, but one game in 2011 kept them from being a Leafs-like punching bag. Guys like Bergeron and Chara have a completely different legacy because of that game.

And you factor in the talent they dumped in the last two decades for pennies on the dollar. Joe Thornton, Phil Kessel, Tyler Seguin, Dougie Hamilton, Blake Wheeler. It's shocking they've been so successful in the post-lockout era while chasing away talent like that with a pointy stick

 

[A Star is Burns]

The only way giving away Necas winds up not being a big mistake is if we re-sign Rants long term. So hopefully we can do that or I'll forever wonder what if. Drury and the picks, whatever, but Necas was a core piece here that we only moved because we had an opportunity to get a superstar player, the likes of which extremely rarely come available. If we can't re-sign Rants, the trade was a failure.

I, on the other hand, think Necas was gone after another year and was never going to consistently put it all together here. I think our front office does not lack for imagination on how to keep this team a winner if they end up with like $40 million of cap space if Rantanen leaves.

 

[tarheelhockey]

The only way giving away Necas winds up not being a big mistake is if we re-sign Rants long term.

I mean, not to speak evil into the world but it would be an even bigger mistake if we DID sign Rantanen long term to be the kind of player he’s been for us so far.

 

[hblueridgegal]

I mean, not to speak evil into the world but it would be an even bigger mistake if we DID sign Rantanen long term to be the kind of player he’s been for us so far.

I have seen where Avs fans think Necas could have been Rantanen's ideal linemate for the Canes...Nate lite, if you will. I guess there was no way to pull that off.

Plus, Aho, gets all the new shiny objects.

 

[WreckingCrew]

I mean, not to speak evil into the world but it would be an even bigger mistake if we DID sign Rantanen long term to be the kind of player he’s been for us so far.

It's hard to judge though because there's been like 1 game where everyone was healthy

 

[tarheelhockey]

It's hard to judge though because there's been like 1 game where everyone was healthy

I think he’ll be fine, but I’m not getting KK’ed again. He needs to pick it up, otherwise failing to keep him will be the second worst outcome.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

I mean, we only had Necas for maybe another year, so calling him a core piece is a little generous

I, on the other hand, think Necas was gone after another year and was never going to consistently put it all together here. I think our front office does not lack for imagination on how to keep this team a winner if they end up with like $40 million of cap space if Rantanen leaves.

We may never know for sure but the way the borg talked about him it seemed apparent to me he was either getting kept long term or moved for a big upgrade. If we don't trade him for Rantanen or EP and no other big upgrade came available, then I highly doubt we would've let him walk for nothing or traded him for future scraps. Hence, "core piece."

Don't get me wrong, even if the trade winds up being a failure and we did give up Necas for pretty much nothing I still think this front office and current core will keep this team contending year in and year out pretty much indefinitely (at least until we see any hint otherwise, this year pre-Rants was probably the worst our roster will be for the next 3-5+ years is my guess). But I would consider that trade a failure if we can't keep Rants around.