Around the League 2024-25 season

[King'sPawn]

FWIW my comment had nothing to do with the Kings.

Forgot where I heard it, but PLD said recently he wasn't used to the reduced amount of shifts we has getting in LA. Felt like it was hard to get anything going because of it. That I can kind of understand, but that doesn't excuse his shit effort.

Currently he's averaging 18.2 shifts per game at 5on5. Last year with LA we was getting 16.3.

I know it's not the point you're making. It just sounds like more excuses from PLD.

He's doing better this season for sure. But the recent game against the Kings just shone a light again on how freakin lazy and disinterested he was every game with the Kings.

 

[bland]

Kaliyev is out for the year with an upper body injury. Dude was healthy scratched for 7 straight, finally gets in then got crunched by Luke Schenn last week. Not announced if it's related to the collarbone that cost him 4 months.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Kaliyev is out for the year with an upper body injury. Dude was healthy scratched for 7 straight, finally gets in then got crunched by Luke Schenn last week. Not announced if it's related to the collarbone that cost him 4 months.

There goes his opportunity to magically transform into a 30 goal scorer, all by just playing for another team and no longer being ‘mismanaged’ by the evil Kings org.

 

[chris kontos]

Kaliyev is out for the year with an upper body injury. Dude was healthy scratched for 7 straight, finally gets in then got crunched by Luke Schenn last week. Not announced if it's related to the collarbone that cost him 4 months.

Yeah its too bad because when he played he was showing some signs of the scorer he is. Laviolette in his comments was positive towards kaliyev and he seemed to fit. Really bad injury luck.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I know it's not the point you're making. It just sounds like more excuses from PLD.

He's doing better this season for sure. But the recent game against the Kings just shone a light again on how freakin lazy and disinterested he was every game with the Kings.

No, that 1.5 extra shift and 70ish seconds per game were the difference, he's just THAT sensitive to time and exposure, it has to be juuuust right

 

[Sol]

I don’t think anyone is making excuses for PLD. I think PLD feeds into the narrative that forwards come to die here. I think Foegele is just an outlier.

 

[King'sPawn]

I don’t think anyone is making excuses for PLD. I think PLD feeds into the narrative that forwards come to die here. I think Foegele is just an outlier.

Oh for certain. Johnjm shares a lot of interesting stuff (both Kings and non-Kings) that can spark discussions.

I was just pointing out that PLD keeps finding different ways to blame others the further removed from LA he is.

Which just makes his feigned self-accountability when he was in between situations all the more disingenuous.

 

[Sol]

Oh for certain. Johnjm shares a lot of interesting stuff (both Kings and non-Kings) that can spark discussions.

I was just pointing out that PLD keeps finding different ways to blame others the further removed from LA he is.

Which just makes his feigned self-accountability when he was in between situations all the more disingenuous.

PLD is 100 percent a dipshit for how he handled himself on the Kings. No doubt.

 

[johnjm22]

I was just pointing out that PLD keeps finding different ways to blame others the further removed from LA he is.

Which just makes his feigned self-accountability when he was in between situations all the more disingenuous.

Someone else around here called PLD "Passive aggressive". That's the feeling I get as well.

I know people roll their eyes when posters relate their rec league experience to the NHL, but I'm going to do it anyways. I've played team sports much of my life. There's been plenty of times I didn't like how the coach used me, yet I never would've considered not giving my 100% effort because of it. And I'm not even getting paid!

This management group, this organization, showed faith in him. Got him a big contract despite the question marks about him. He responded by putting in a half ass effort. Thus making the people who believed in him look stupid. I can't imagine doing something like that.

Maybe the trade finally woke him up and he's matured. Regardless, he's probably my all time most hated King.

 

[Vote4Lubo]

Oh for certain. Johnjm shares a lot of interesting stuff (both Kings and non-Kings) that can spark discussions.

I was just pointing out that PLD keeps finding different ways to blame others the further removed from LA he is.

Which just makes his feigned self-accountability when he was in between situations all the more disingenuous.

PLD just needed Tom Wilson and a 6'6 230lbs Protas to protect his fragile ego. No one will make fun of his butterfly tattoo now. Personally wish we would have given the vilardi package for Wilson to begin with..maybe would have gotten Kuemper for free with that ransom. I'm just glad PLD is off this team.

 

[Schrute farms]

It's the 2020's, not the 1990's, 100 points is basically the cut-off for a top 10 team, it's not elite top 5 contender level like it was when we were growing up, . The Kings league finishes since ending the rebuild have been 14, 10, 12 and this season currently 11, and you are acting like this is something other teams and fans would be envious of. The last time the Kings went down this similar roster construction was the late 90's/early 2000's.

97-98 (11th in league, 87 points)
99-00 (11th in league, 94 points)*
00-01 (13tth in league, 92 points)*
01-02 (12th in league, 94 points)*

loser point added, no shootout

Do you think people around the league were envious of those Kings teams. Do you think teams that were rebuilding at that time would have traded places with the Kings? It's the same type of roster and the same type of team, except one of those Kings teams was able to beat a team that was missing 2 Hall of Fame players.

To put it in perspective the teams that finished 10-14 in the NFL this year were Tampa, LA Rams, Houston, Pittsburgh and Denver, all of those teams finished 10-7, and that perfectly sums it up, that is what the Kings are a 10-7 team for four straight seasons.

There dozens of teams across all of major sports who are rebuilding, because it's the most proven way to build a winner. I don't know how you two continue to say that rebuilding is something that nobody does and that everyone is looking to jump into the blackhole as quickly as they can, at the expense of building a true winner.

Indeed.

Then you add on how top heavy the Pacific Division has been the past 3-4 years. Basically two really good teams in Vegas & Oilers. Two teams that have been trying their best to lose each game in SJ & Ducks. Expansion team that had one surprising season and then back to reality. Two teams that have tried to contend for playoffs but failed miserably except for one random year for each (Van/Calgary). The Pacific division is where Mediocracy goes to finish 3rd.

 

[chris kontos]

PLD just needed Tom Wilson and a 6'6 230lbs Protas to protect his fragile ego. No one will make fun of his butterfly tattoo now. Personally wish we would have given the vilardi package for Wilson to begin with..maybe would have gotten Kuemper for free with that ransom. I'm just glad PLD is off this team.

I wish marc bergevin was off this team

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

I really don’t know if PLD was a coaching issue. He just didn’t try at all. I think the biggest mismanagement with PLD has to be that they didn’t have a real role for him to grow into. That’s my only criticism. I think they got a super expensive asset and didn’t know what to do with it. That being said, most of this falls on PLD who has to be the laziest player I’ve seen.

1. I think if we want to talk about the Kings issues then it’s just as simple as that the Kings have been deathly afraid to move away from Kopitar and Doughty. In a perfect world, Kopitar would be a low minute third liner who played less but had a bigger impact due to freshness. Doughty is just way too old to be on the team. Kind of like the Ducks when they had Lindholm/Vatanen, but traded them to keep Fowler. I’m not sold on Spence though but with how the Kings have been, Spence might just not have enough direction.

2. I do think Hiller is better than Todd because Todd despite having his back against the wall, was extremely stubborn and that got the Kings killed. I think Hiller to an extent seems to try things in desperate moments that should have been done a long time ago. Like benching Lewis after being abysmal. And then desperately putting Byfield in 3 on 3 after being 0-5.

The Kings probably do have a locker room problem but I would say it’s not gonna be a problem much longer. Once the Kings get swept in 3 vs Edmonton then Blake is gone.

The problem with PLD I think is what he came here to do. I think he came here to get paid and have a lifestyle. In DC if he wants to get paid he’s got to play hockey. Too many distractions for him in LA. His fragile mind was not on hockey. Not too mention our team is 100% devoid of leadership that will kick a player like him in the ass!

 

[tigermask48]

There's zero chance PLD has matured at all after the trade. If he had, he wouldn't be spending almost every interview making excuses for his time here.

PLD being gone certainly brightens the outlook of the impending rebuild this team does once Kopi and Drew retire...

That was my biggest fear, that albatross of a contract still being stuck on the books 5-7 years from now when the Kings are trying to find money to give George, Hammer, Greentree, etc...

 

[Herby]

Bergevin was the GM of the Montreal Canadiens when Blake and Robitaille made the decision to end the Kings rebuild in 2021, considering that was the fork in the road that changed everything and the reason all the subsequent terrible moves were made, it's tough to blame much of this on him.

As for Kaliyev, he will be 24 next season, he is no longer a "kid" in terms of hockey development, he has played five seasons of pro hockey and has not been able to break through to a scoring line for multiple organizations. His contract is up after this season, he has ties to Eastern Europe, I wonder if he doesn't consider signing with a KHL team for more financial security, he is still young enough where if he kills it there for a season that he may get NHL bites again (and he regains some lost confidence).

What a total disaster the 2019 draft was for the Kings.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

NPD rolling hard this morning....

 

[chris kontos]

Probably exactly whats in kaliyev's future is the khl. Hopefully his family didnt cross the wrong people while livng in the uzbek ssr. And he goesto a location that features electricity and is not highly radioactive

 

[tigermask48]

Bergevin was the GM of the Montreal Canadiens when Blake and Robitaille made the decision to end the Kings rebuild in 2021, considering that was the fork in the road that changed everything and the reason all the subsequent terrible moves were made, it's tough to blame much of this on him.

I don't know that anyone is solely blaming Bergevin for everything, at least not that I've seen.

But it's also easy to look at the moves made since he joined the Kings and see his fingerprints all over them.

He isn't solely the root cause, but he IS part of the problem.

 

[Herby]

It will be interesting to see how much the playoff odds swing with the result of the Islanders-Canadiens game tonight.

Habs win in regulation they are up 5 points on NYI, NYI win in regulation and it's 1 point.

I don't know that anyone is solely blaming Bergevin for everything, at least not that I've seen.

But it's also easy to look at the moves made since he joined the Kings and see his fingerprints all over them.

He isn't solely the root cause, but he IS part of the problem.

Wasn't it rumored that the Kings had been interested in PLD for years, when he had been moved before? Seems like that was Blake's poor read, not realizing a player like that wasnt going to fit in culturally with his room and the type of style Blake preaches.

 

[bland]

It will be interesting to see how much the playoff odds swing with the result of the Islanders-Canadiens game tonight.

Habs win in regulation they are up 5 points on NYI, NYI win in regulation and it's 1 point.



Wasn't it rumored that the Kings had been interested in PLD for years, when he had been moved before? Seems like that was Blake's poor read, not realizing a player like that wasnt going to fit in culturally with his room and the type of style Blake preaches.

So hard to believe that it would still be another year and a half before Byfield would have been moved back to center if they hadn't moved Dubois.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

It's the 2020's, not the 1990's, 100 points is basically the cut-off for a top 10 team, it's not elite top 5 contender level like it was when we were growing up, . The Kings league finishes since ending the rebuild have been 14, 10, 12 and this season currently 11, and you are acting like this is something other teams and fans would be envious of. The last time the Kings went down this similar roster construction was the late 90's/early 2000's.

97-98 (11th in league, 87 points)
99-00 (11th in league, 94 points)*
00-01 (13tth in league, 92 points)*
01-02 (12th in league, 94 points)*

loser point added, no shootout

Do you think people around the league were envious of those Kings teams. Do you think teams that were rebuilding at that time would have traded places with the Kings? It's the same type of roster and the same type of team, except one of those Kings teams was able to beat a team that was missing 2 Hall of Fame players.

To put it in perspective the teams that finished 10-14 in the NFL this year were Tampa, LA Rams, Houston, Pittsburgh and Denver, all of those teams finished 10-7, and that perfectly sums it up, that is what the Kings are a 10-7 team for four straight seasons.

There dozens of teams across all of major sports who are rebuilding, because it's the most proven way to build a winner. I don't know how you two continue to say that rebuilding is something that nobody does and that everyone is looking to jump into the blackhole as quickly as they can, at the expense of building a true winner.

No one is saying no one rebuilds, that's just you now putting words in people's mouths.

I said at the time, yes, Montreal fans would 100% take a competitive team over a rebuilding team, that's their market, always has been, why do you think Montreal put off rebuilding for so long after Price/Koivu etc?

Yes, teams across all 4 bigs rebuild....all the time, only a percentage of them actually hit on them, your question wasn't do teams do it, or should teams do it, or should all teams do it, it was, do you think the fans would want to change position,

Hindsight, of course not,

In the moment, absolutely,

 

[tigermask48]

Wasn't it rumored that the Kings had been interested in PLD for years, when he had been moved before? Seems like that was Blake's poor read, not realizing a player like that wasnt going to fit in culturally with his room and the type of style Blake preaches.

Not sure I remember hearing that ever... Although maybe the timeline adds up to something, as January 2021 was around when LA was acquiring younger NHL ready players, but before they made the trade for Arvidson.

 

[lumbergh]

Probably exactly whats in kaliyev's future is the khl. Hopefully his family didnt cross the wrong people while livng in the uzbek ssr. And he goesto a location that features electricity and is not highly radioactive

The guy moved to the US when he was 2. Probably has no memory of Uzbekistan. Not sure why he would even want to go to the KHL.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

There's zero chance PLD has matured at all after the trade. If he had, he wouldn't be spending almost every interview making excuses for his time here.

PLD being gone certainly brightens the outlook of the impending rebuild this team does once Kopi and Drew retire...

That was my biggest fear, that albatross of a contract still being stuck on the books 5-7 years from now when the Kings are trying to find money to give George, Hammer, Greentree, etc...

Exactly

No matter WHAT comes next, the idea of a lifetime contract diva just sipping mai tais, making excuses, and being a fashionista while gathering gold stars for his fridge with his low on ice work rate affecting the next 7 years of Kings hockey would have been the icing on the shit sandwich.

I was as pissed or more than anyone with Vilardi leaving and now the final results of the trade but PLD being GONE is better than PLD being here under ANY circumstance.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

It will be interesting to see how much the playoff odds swing with the result of the Islanders-Canadiens game tonight.

Habs win in regulation they are up 5 points on NYI, NYI win in regulation and it's 1 point.



Wasn't it rumored that the Kings had been interested in PLD for years, when he had been moved before? Seems like that was Blake's poor read, not realizing a player like that wasnt going to fit in culturally with his room and the type of style Blake preaches.

I believe that is true. Pretty sure the Kings were in the mix when he was traded to WPG.