Around the League 2024-25 season

[King'sPawn]

Colorado traded one of the best players in the league, while being a contender. Kings didn't even have the courage to trade a 2nd pairing Dman when they weren't a real contender.

Now one is comparing the two players. That's a strawman you made up to argue against. You pointing how different the players are, just makes the Kings look even more irresponsible.

As for playoff teams trading pending UFA's for futures, it's rare, but it does happen. Speaking of Dmen, off the top of my head the Blues traded pending UFA Shattenkirk for a 1st round pick and proceeded to win a playoff round.

On the other hand, wasn't it more imperative for Colorado to make a move though? The loss of Rantanen walking away with nothing to show for it much bigger than the Kings missing out on trading Roy for a 2nd at best?

 

[johnjm22]

If Rantanen makes it to free agency, he'll be one of the biggest UFA's in recent memory. Bigger than Tavares IMO.

There's lots of teams who have the cap space to make a run at him (including LA). He's going to get a huge payday.

 

[Bandit]

Pittsburgh is getting rinsed by Seattle too. And of course Edmonton scores a late goal to take the lead against Buffalo. The Kings are allergic to success.

 

[johnjm22]

On the other hand, wasn't it more imperative for Colorado to make a move though? The loss of Rantanen walking away with nothing to show for it much bigger than the Kings missing out on trading Roy for a 2nd at best?

Isn't it more imperative they try and win a cup now while their window is open?

Makar+Mackinnon+Rantanen is what makes you a contender. Necas doesn't fill that void.

Personally, I don't love the move for Colorado. If they had to do 8x14M I probably would've just done it.

I wonder if Landeskog potentially coming back has something to do with this.

 

[Bandit]

Doesn’t everyone here get tired of arguing about the past? It just tells me how old we all are on here.

I mean it’s not like we’re talking about McSorely’s curve. This shit happened less than a year ago.

 

[Bandit]

Isn't it more imperative they try and win a cup now while their window is open?

Makar+Mackinnon+Rantanen is what makes you a contender. Necas doesn't fill that void.

Personally, I don't love the move for Colorado. If they had to do 8x14M I probably would've just done it.

I wonder if Landeskog potentially coming back has something to do with this.

Trading Rantanen because Landeskog’s corpse might be coming back is a Blake level fireable offense. I hope it’s true.

 

[King'sPawn]

Isn't it more imperative they try and win a cup now while their window is open?

Makar+Mackinnon+Rantanen is what makes you a contender. Necas doesn't fill that void.

Personally, I don't love the move for Colorado. If they had to do 8x14M I probably would've just done it.

I wonder if Landeskog potentially coming back has something to do with this.

They received two players capable of playing now to complement a core of Makar and MacKinnon.

I don't know if I love the move either. But I'm just saying while we can lament losing Roy for nothing, it's an unfair comparison to making a move to avoid losing Rantanen for notbing.

I just think, by and large, moving vets when you're gunning for the playoffs is a very unusual move. Blake deserves criticism for many things, including exiting the rebuild too soon. Holding onto Roy is certainly in the "death by a thousand cuts" territory of how this regime has handled the organization in that regard. But it was a decision begotten from worse bigger decisions.

 

[johnjm22]

They received two players capable of playing now to complement a core of Makar and MacKinnon.

I don't know if I love the move either. But I'm just saying while we can lament losing Roy for nothing, it's an unfair comparison to making a move to avoid losing Rantanen for notbing.

I just think, by and large, moving vets when you're gunning for the playoffs is a very unusual move. Blake deserves criticism for many things, including exiting the rebuild too soon. Holding onto Roy is certainly in the "death by a thousand cuts" territory of how this regime has handled the organization in that regard. But it was a decision begotten from worse bigger decisions.

They didn't have to lose him for nothing though. By most accounts they just didn't want to give him the contract.

Kings knew they couldn't re-sign Roy. They knew they were going to lose him for nothing.

There's not a direct comparison between the two situations, only that Colorado was willing downgrade their current roster to do what they thought was right for the future. LA trading Roy and replacing him with Clarke would also have been a downgrade, but for the betterment of the future. LA wouldn't have had to sacrifice contention to do so like Colorado probably did.

 

[Kingfan1967]

Re: Roy , there was never any rumors about what LA was asking or what other teams were offering, what would a #4 D UFA have returned? Or has returned in the past, When they are traded it's usually from a Non Play Off team. Play Off teams rarely trade low value UFA's because the return doesn't make the team better, Last year for example Edmonton didn't trade Warren Foegele or Sam Carrick and lost them for nothing, if they had traded them would they have made the Finals?

 

[johnjm22]

I can't help but think of Kempe now.

He's become one of the best wingers in the league. Will be a pending UFA next season. He's been underpaid. This will be his chance to cash out.

Do you want to pay him 10M+ or trade him? He'll be 30 in the first year of his next contract.

 

[funky]

They received two players capable of playing now to complement a core of Makar and MacKinnon.

I don't know if I love the move either. But I'm just saying while we can lament losing Roy for nothing, it's an unfair comparison to making a move to avoid losing Rantanen for notbing.

I just think, by and large, moving vets when you're gunning for the playoffs is a very unusual move. Blake deserves criticism for many things, including exiting the rebuild too soon. Holding onto Roy is certainly in the "death by a thousand cuts" territory of how this regime has handled the organization in that regard. But it was a decision begotten from worse bigger decisions.

It reminds me when we traded for Stoll and Greene. We lost the most talented guy but gained two pieces that helped complete our Stanley Cup puzzle.

 

[Statto]

I can't help but think of Kempe now.

He's become one of the best wingers in the league. Will be a pending UFA next season. He's been underpaid. This will be his chance to cash out.

Do you want to pay him 10M+ or trade him? He'll be 30 in the first year of his next contract.

Evaluate the team at the end of the season and decide. It’s entirely possible it’d make sense to trade him in the summer depending on his contract ask. Let’s be clear, I want him to stay but the price matters.

They must decide this summer though. Extend him or move him.

 

[tigermask48]

Being critical of the team really does seem to rustle some jimmies around here.

Really fires up the guys with grade school reading comprehension.

Look at when the people who like to complain about about all the negativity joined. I do wonder if they ever knew the frustration of seeing the Kings be a black hole team under Taylor. Do they know the Kings traded a 1st round pick that became Ray Bourque and got Ron Grahme in return?
Do they know the Kings have been mostly bad their entire existence and understand the futility of that.
Did they have to sit there and watch Erik Ersberg, Roman Cechmanek, and Dan Cloutier attempt to be the guy in the Kings net?
Do they even know the names Yanick Lehoux, Jared Aulin, John Zeiler, or Jeff Guiliano?

TLDR: They are aware that the Kings have never been a great team outside of 1993 and 2011-2015 right?

Some of us have been through some shit.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Colorado traded one of the best players in the league, while being a contender. Kings didn't even have the courage to trade a 2nd pairing Dman when they weren't a real contender.

No one is comparing the two players. That's a strawman you made up to argue against. You pointing how different the players are, just makes the Kings look even more irresponsible.

As for playoff teams trading pending UFA's for futures, it's rare, but it does happen. Speaking of Dmen, off the top of my head the Blues traded pending UFA Shattenkirk for a 1st round pick and proceeded to win a playoff round.

Blues did not make the playoffs the year they traded Shattenkirk, nor were they in playoff contention.

Colorado traded one of the best players in the NHL, and GOT NHL PLAYERS BACK. That doesn't happen with Roy.

Look at when the people who like to complain about about all the negativity joined. I do wonder if they ever knew the frustration of seeing the Kings be a black hole team under Taylor. Do they know the Kings traded a 1st round pick that became Ray Bourque and got Ron Grahme in return?
Do they know the Kings have been mostly bad their entire existence and understand the futility of that.
Did they have to sit there and watch Erik Ersberg, Roman Cechmanek, and Dan Cloutier attempt to be the guy in the Kings net?
Do they even know the names Yanick Lehoux, Jared Aulin, John Zeiler, or Jeff Guiliano?

TLDR: They are aware that the Kings have never been a great team outside of 1993 and 2011-2015 right?

Some of us have been through some shit.

Lol, you never went to the Fabulous Forum did you?

 

[tigermask48]

It reminds me when we traded for Stoll and Greene. We lost the most talented guy but gained two pieces that helped complete our Stanley Cup puzzle.

Better comparison may be when LA traded Jack Minus Forever Johnson to get Carter and let Voinov step up?

 

[johnjm22]

Blues did not make the playoffs the year they traded Shattenkirk, nor were they in playoff contention.

They were in playoff contention and made the playoffs.

Colorado traded one of the best players in the NHL, and GOT NHL PLAYERS BACK. That doesn't happen with Roy.

They downgraded their roster to do what they thought was best for the future.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

They were in playoff contention and made the playoffs.


They downgraded their roster to do what they thought was best for the future.

Was just coming to say that I pulled up the following season.

As far as COL, they spread the wealth, Necas is a downgrade from Rantanen but who isn't, they didn't go from Rantanen to Ryan Reaves though...

 

[All The Kings Men]

Do they know the Kings traded a 1st round pick that became Ray Bourque and got Ron Grahme in return?

COHEN’S KINGS CATASTROPHES – CHAPTER 5 | The Royal Half

On the 35th Anniversary of the trade, Jesse Cohen breaks down what could have been if the LA Kings had kept the draft pick that became Ray Bourque.

theroyalhalf.com

 

[Trash Panda]

I can't help but think of Kempe now.

He's become one of the best wingers in the league. Will be a pending UFA next season. He's been underpaid. This will be his chance to cash out.

Do you want to pay him 10M+ or trade him? He'll be 30 in the first year of his next contract.

The Kings realistically need to trade him to recoup assets to start (and hopefully properly finish) a rebuild.

Scoring wingers fall off a cliff in their 30’s, and having that much money tied up in one is a fools errand.

He also would return quite the haul.

 

[johnjm22]

The Kings realistically need to trade him to recoup assets to start (and hopefully properly finish) a rebuild.

Scoring wingers fall off a cliff in their 30’s, and having that much money tied up in one is a fools errand.

He also would return quite the haul.

I think he'll age relatively well, but a max deal takes him to 37 years old.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Isn't it more imperative they try and win a cup now while their window is open?

Makar+Mackinnon+Rantanen is what makes you a contender. Necas doesn't fill that void.

Personally, I don't love the move for Colorado. If they had to do 8x14M I probably would've just done it.

I wonder if Landeskog potentially coming back has something to do with this.

Was wondering the same thing. I had assumed he retired then noticed he is still on the roster.

 

[johnjm22]

Edmonton has passed Vegas for 1st place in the Pacific.

Oilers have been the best team in the league since their slow start.

So maybe we'll be playing VGK in round 1.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Edmonton has passed Vegas for 1st place in the Pacific.

Oilers have been the best team in the league since their slow start.

So maybe we'll be playing VGK in round 1.

We will fall to W2 and play Edmonton.

 

[Omni Owl]

We will fall to W2 and play Edmonton.

 

[kingsholygrail]

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