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You don't get it.

And you're strawmaning the original argument as usual.

Not at all, I said we can't be comparing Rantanen to Roy, that's f***ing moronic.

The point you are trying to make is, at least they got something for Rantanen....I'm saying, if LA could have had the same type of deal (getting something back that would help them for the playoffs, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A POINT) but show me the last UFA Dman that was traded from a playoff team....to ANY team....that returned an immediate piece that would help in the playoffs...

Feel free to search.....hint...it's not there.
 
Not at all, I said we can't be comparing Rantanen to Roy, that's f***ing moronic.

The point you are trying to make is, at least they got something for Rantanen....I'm saying, if LA could have had the same type of deal (getting something back that would help them for the playoffs, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A POINT) but show me the last UFA Dman that was traded from a playoff team....to ANY team....that returned an immediate piece that would help in the playoffs...

Feel free to search.....hint...it's not there.
Did Roy even help them for the playoffs?
Also I think just last year Toronto got Edmundson from Washington.
 
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Did Roy even help them for the playoffs?
Also I think just last year Toronto got Edmundson from Washington.

Washington was out of the playoffs when they made that trade....

As far as helping them in the playoffs....that's not really the point....Edmonson was traded for futures....by a non-playoff team.....doesn't really matter if Roy helped LA, can't predict the future.
 
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I was out for a while today so I missed the trade that went down. Briefly saw the Taylor Hall was a healthy scratch and figured he's getting traded and didn't think much of it. I get home and my dad asks me if I heard about the trade. I was like yeah Taylor Hall to Carolina seems like a good fit. And then he's like and Rantanen too, and I nearly spat out my drink. Thought for sure he was either pulling my leg or mixing Rantanen up with someone else.
 
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Chicago got back their own third round pick, they now have all of their picks in the first four rounds. Getting ready to offer sheet someone in the off season?
 

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The idea that you can't trade Roy because you are fighting for a playoff spot or even in a playoff spot is just such a simpleton concept. But we have the Majors of Simpleton as GM and President in Blake & Luc.

You can trade a guy like Roy, get assets and use those assets (among others) to acquire player(s) who are not URFA to help you currently & beyond. It's not an either or thing. Roy wasn't some guy who was single-handedly carrying the team last year and they'd fall apart without him. I just can't stand having a GM who gets confused playing paper/scissors/rock.
 
Keeping roy was never going to work and everyone but Blake and GBH knew it, and then they kept him, and then it didn't work.

The smart path was trading roy, which opens up cap and returns a player or pick that could shore up other team weaknesses, and then promoting the white-hot Clarke. That way even if it doesn't work you are in a better place. It's so simple
 
Keeping roy was never going to work and everyone but Blake and GBH knew it, and then they kept him, and then it didn't work.

The smart path was trading roy, which opens up cap and returns a player or pick that could shore up other team weaknesses, and then promoting the white-hot Clarke. That way even if it doesn't work you are in a better place. It's so simple

Absolutely, SHOW me a team in playoff contention, trade a UFA...for FUTURES.....

But yes, it's so simple, that EVERYONE does it....except for the REALITY of it all, that NO ONE DOES IT....

If it's so simple, why doesn't everyone do it?
 
Even in win-now mode you can do a hockey trade for someone with more term, or you can flip any futures gained in another deal to shore up weaknesses. You absorb it by promoting Clarke, who gets rewarded with a playoff taste after an incredible showing. There's no downside except maybe you lose to EDM anyway -- which was going to happen (and did happen) regardless
 
Even in win-now mode you can do a hockey trade for someone with more term, or you can flip any futures gained in another deal to shore up weaknesses. You absorb it by promoting Clarke, who gets rewarded with a playoff taste after an incredible showing. There's no downside except maybe you lose to EDM anyway -- which was going to happen (and did happen) regardless

Clarke wasn't ready last year, and he's showing you why this year, he's a good young player who has to adapt....he will get there etc...

Just made another post in another thread, you CAN trade Gavrikov this year if the right deal comes along, because you have Doughty able to slot in and replace him, because you aren't getting a 22-23 year old Bowen Byram for Gavrikov, it will be a 1st etc.....
 
As critical as I am of the organization, and I know I'll get a lot of angry responses (not necessarily from you, but maybe)... but I think the perception of organization ineptitude is overstated.

The Kings, like all orgs, have some strengths and weaknesses. They are very good at churning out blue-collar players. It's why players like Laferriere, Turcotte, Anderson, etc grow to have successful and long NHL careers.

But the Kings also realize they need skill players. In wars of attrition, you're more likely to win with both will AND skill. So, they target players with raw talent. They interview the prospects, but kids also get coached for everything. They sound like they either have drive (or acknowledge they need to imptove effort). Teams only get limited exposure to these kids. And Yannetti emphasizes how important it is to get to know them.

Where the Kings fall short, in my opinion, is the rigidity of their process. Not everyone learns and grows the same. But we saw them give Laferriere regular time after putting in the effort, and they didn't paste him on the fourth line for three years. Maybe they're learning? Or adapting? I'm not sure.

I just think, in my heart of hearts, Kaliyev's struggles can't be prescribed to organization incompetence all on its own. And each incident SHOULD be looked at a case by case basis. Otherwise, we just assume everything will suck without identifying benchmarks for improvement.

It's like if we were to look at a goalie in net. The team lost 6-2. Three goals were because the goalie couldn't stop a beachball and three goals because the opposing team had multiple 3-on-0 breakaways. Sure, the goalie sucked, but it's dangerous to blame the other three goals on the goalie. Even if you think you solve one issue, you still probably lose the game 3-2 if you don't take an honest look at other aspects that went wrong.

You know, I do see the logic in some of what you are saying. Not enough to agree 100% but I do see it. I think this falls under the agree to disagree as I know we both think we are more correct.
 
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Clarke wasn't ready last year, and he's showing you why this year, he's a good young player who has to adapt....he will get there etc...

Just made another post in another thread, you CAN trade Gavrikov this year if the right deal comes along, because you have Doughty able to slot in and replace him, because you aren't getting a 22-23 year old Bowen Byram for Gavrikov, it will be a 1st etc.....
What's the consequence of him not being ready? The stay at home suffers a little bit and they lose to EDM? They lost anyway.
 
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Lol. Just SHOW me he says, it never happens he says... in a thread where 1st place Colorado just traded a player for two picks and a prospect, plus two decent young players. Lol.

Yep, they got players back that will help them with their playoff run right now,

You really think Roy was going to get that back? Show me the last time a UFA D got a young top 4 D and picks....in a deadline deal....

It played out exactly how I and many others thought it would. I was right before the benefit of hindsight, while somehow you are wrong even with the benefit of hindsight

LOL and yet, you can't come up with another team, any team, doing the same.....trading a UFA for futures while competing for the playoffs.....why is that?
 
Not at all, I said we can't be comparing Rantanen to Roy, that's f***ing moronic.

The point you are trying to make is, at least they got something for Rantanen....I'm saying, if LA could have had the same type of deal (getting something back that would help them for the playoffs, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A POINT) but show me the last UFA Dman that was traded from a playoff team....to ANY team....that returned an immediate piece that would help in the playoffs...

Feel free to search.....hint...it's not there.
Colorado traded one of the best players in the league, while being a contender. Kings didn't even have the courage to trade a 2nd pairing Dman when they weren't a real contender.

No one is comparing the two players. That's a strawman you made up to argue against. You pointing how different the players are, just makes the Kings look even more irresponsible.

As for playoff teams trading pending UFA's for futures, it's rare, but it does happen. Speaking of Dmen, off the top of my head the Blues traded pending UFA Shattenkirk for a 1st round pick and proceeded to win a playoff round.
 
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Colorado traded one of the best players in the league, while being a contender. Kings didn't even have the courage to trade a 2nd pairing Dman when they weren't a real contender.

Now one is comparing the two players. That's a strawman you made up to argue against. You pointing how different the players are, just makes the Kings look even more irresponsible.

As for playoff teams trading pending UFA's for futures, it's rare, but it does happen. Speaking of Dmen, off the top of my head the Blues traded pending UFA Shattenkirk for a 1st round pick and proceeded to win a playoff round.
Washington traded Edmundson just last year while chasing a spot.

Its not common, but certainly not evidence enough to support a lazy crackpot opinion.

I'll start with a conversation about the future. For instance, next month is February. f*** February.
Brock Faber is a future Norris winner!

Yay future stuff!
 
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