Around the League - 2024-2025 Part II

[Nineteen67]

Certain teams and players just continue to get a pass from the media. We witnessed the slobberfest towards Ott and the habs for losing in the 1st rd

“The Avalanche have now lost seven Game 7s in a row since 2002, the last four with coach Jared Bednar. They are the only NHL, NBA or MLB team to lose seven consecutive Game 7s, according to OptaSTATS.”

Prior to the game I knew DeBoer had won seven or eight games 7 in a row, but I hadn’t heard that Colorado lost six games 7 in a row?

 

[Zybalto]

Certain teams and players just continue to get a pass from the media. We witnessed the slobberfest towards Ott and the habs for losing in the 1st rd

“The Avalanche have now lost seven Game 7s in a row since 2002, the last four with coach Jared Bednar. They are the only NHL, NBA or MLB team to lose seven consecutive Game 7s, according to OptaSTATS.”

.. all while Dallas coach Peter Deboer is now 9-0 in his career for game 7s.

Damn, I should have put money on Dallas to win. The signs were all there.

 

[Zybalto]

Prior to the game I knew DeBoer had won seven or eight games 7 in a row, but I hadn’t heard that Colorado lost six games 7 in a row?

Just beat me to it lol

 

[Nineteen67]

Just beat me to it lol

At least 3 or 4 of those would have been to Dallas.

 

[Nineteen67]

Minny also just set a record for losing in the first round 8 times in the last 10 years. Theyve gone 0-8 in series.

It couldn’t happen to two better US based teams.

 

[SprDaVE]

Losing that game/series with your best player scoring a goal a game is pretty crazy. Dallas also were missing 2 of their top players the entire series, meanwhile Colorado basically had everyone healthy including the guy that missed 3 years. They also traded a top prospect and picks to load up with the cap space they got by trading the guy that killed them in game 7. Wild.

 

[DarkKnight]

Rantenan’s performance last makes me miss the Dougie and Matt’s eras even more.

It did make me think of our Captain.

 

[Zybalto]

MacKinnon now 0-5 in game 7s for his career.

Sounds odd to say.

 

[Jojalu]

MacKinnon now 0-5 in game 7s for his career.

Sounds odd to say.

I think it is 0-8 no?

I am pretty sure they said he was 0-7 and that was his first goal ever in a game 7.

 

[Zybalto]

I think it is 0-8 no?

I am pretty sure they said he was 0-7 and that was his first goal ever in a game 7.

I think it's the Avs team that has lost 7 straight since 2002.

 

[Jojalu]

I think it's the Avs team that has lost 7 straight since 2002.

You are correct.

I just went over his playoff series. He is 0-5.

Avs have lost 8 in a row, but he was not on the first 3

 

[stats1]

This was a worse collapse than the 2013 Leafs. Colorado had cup aspirations and totally implode with 12 mins left. Rantanen is an animal! 11 points in 3 games with a hat trick in game 7! Omg we could’ve had this guy! Leafs we’re already willing to give him 100 million+ and Marner says no…

 

[Nineteen67]

It did make me think of our Captain.

I was thinking about that Easter Sunday game 6 at home against Boston when I thought it would be his time to shine. Primetime Sunday afternoon, the US network was promoting him, all the hockey eyes were watching, and he laid an egg.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Fine, ill eat the crow....

and then I'll say again that up until game 5 of this series, his numbers since the trade were that of a 5 million dollar player and then he clutched out for his team in an epic way.

Oh no, I said it again lol.

You didn't say "his numbers since the trade", you said he's at best, a 5 million dollar player.

Keep trying to spin this if you like, you're only showing that not only are you incredibly bad at evaluating players, you're also not capable of admitting your mistakes. Thanks for the entertainment though.

 

[SprDaVE]

This was a worse collapse than the 2013 Leafs. Colorado had cup aspirations and totally implode with 12 mins left. Rantanen is an animal! 11 points in 3 games with a hat trick in game 7! Omg we could’ve had this guy! Leafs we’re already willing to give him 100 million+ and Marner says no…

They got a cup so MacKinnon can lose out in the first round for the rest of his career, or collapse in a game 7, and never get attacked in the media like the Leafs, Marner and Matthews.

 

[IPS]

They got a cup so MacKinnon can lose out in the first round for the rest of his career and never get attacked in the media like Marner and Matthews.

Winning really does solve everything.

 

[stats1]

They got a cup so MacKinnon can lose out in the first round for the rest of his career and never get attacked in the media like Marner and Matthews.

I never said anything about MacKinnon though. I just said this was a worse collapse than 2013. Just by looking at the teams on paper, 2013 Leafs were just happy being back in the playoffs while Colorado has now been able to get out of the 1st round once or twice in the last 8 years. They’re like 0-7 or 0-8 in game 7’s this is a cup contender. Everyone talks shit about the Leafs collapsing but Colorado has done a lot of it also. If they hadn’t won the cup in 2022 they’d be more futile than Toronto

 

[Peasy]

Winning really does solve everything.

Gives teams soooooo much leeway too.

Same shit with Tampa. People constantly going on how Tampa is better than the Leafs, so since Florida made quick work of Tampa, they will do the same to the Leafs. But like, if you look back since the last time Tampa made the finals, Leafs have both a better regular season record, and more playoff success. But people dont want to admit that.

 

[SprDaVE]

I never said anything about MacKinnon though. I just said this was a worse collapse than 2013. Just by looking at the trans on paper, 2013 Leafs were just happy being back in the playoffs while Colorado has now been able to get out of the 1st round once in the last 8 years

You didn't -- I did. I expanded on your point.

 

[Gary Nylund]

They got a cup so MacKinnon can lose out in the first round for the rest of his career, or collapse in a game 7, and never get attacked in the media like the Leafs, Marner and Matthews.

There's no reason for the media or anyone else to "attack" MacKinnon. He's not only consistently great during the regular season, but also playoffs.

Players deserve criticism when they don't perform to expectations. When they play well, they get credit for it even when the team loses, a good example is Morgan Rielly in the 2023 playoffs.

Marner sometimes gets criticized because historically he paces for 100 points for the first 86 games of the season, then his production goes down by more than 50% and to a lesser degree, same thing with Matthews. Mackinnon on the other hand simply does not falter in the playoffs. He has never been less than PPG in the playoffs, against Dallas he put up 11 points in 7 games, led his team in points (also +-) so only an idiot would "attack" him.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Gives teams soooooo much leeway too.

Same shit with Tampa. People constantly going on how Tampa is better than the Leafs, so since Florida made quick work of Tampa, they will do the same to the Leafs. But like, if you look back since the last time Tampa made the finals, Leafs have both a better regular season record, and more playoff success. But people dont want to admit that.

Winning gives leeway, agree 100%. I don't know about "admitting" anything when it comes to TB though, I don't even think about them because I don't care about being better than TB, I only care about going deep and if we don't play TB, then they don't even exist for me. If we've been better than them I'll admit it (why wouldn't I), but I also don't care. I care about Boston, TB or Florida depending on who we have to play so right now, my goal is to have a better playoff record than Florida.

GLG!!

 

[PromisedLand]

MacKinnon now 0-5 in game 7s for his career.

Sounds odd to say.

Avs have now set a record LMAO

 

[Zybalto]

You didn't say "his numbers since the trade", you said he's at best, a 5 million dollar player.

Keep trying to spin this if you like, you're only showing that not only are you incredibly bad at evaluating players, you're also not capable of admitting your mistakes. Thanks for the entertainment though.

OK,

I just said Rantanen in general is a 5 million dollar player, never brought up any numbers since the trade, never mentioned play away from Mac, never thought he was in a great location to turn it around, never praised him when he did look good and never mentioned his underlying numbers were still great.

Can we move on now?

 

[Jojalu]

There's no reason for the media or anyone else to "attack" MacKinnon. He's not only consistently great during the regular season, but also playoffs.

Players deserve criticism when they don't perform to expectations. When they play well, they get credit for it even when the team loses, a good example is Morgan Rielly in the 2023 playoffs.

Marner sometimes gets criticized because historically he paces for 100 points for the first 86 games of the season, then his production goes down by more than 50% and to a lesser degree, same thing with Matthews. Mackinnon on the other hand simply does not falter in the playoffs. He has never been less than PPG in the playoffs, against Dallas he put up 11 points in 7 games, led his team in points (also +-) so only an idiot would "attack" him.

The arguement would be he can't win a game 7 and doesn't produce in game 7's.

Marner routinely leads the Leafs in playoff points but scores most of his points game 1-4.

Mack leads his team in points and scores game 1-6.

Both no shows for Game 7. Both lose.

But it's crazy to blame either of them soley since it's a team game.

Col did go on that amazing run and win so Mack will get a pass. If that run had not happened, the narrative would be the same. Can't win when it matters.

 

[ToneDog]

The arguement would be he can't win a game 7 and doesn't produce in game 7's.

Marner routinely leads the Leafs in playoff points but scores most of his points game 1-4.

Mack leads his team in points and scores game 1-6.

Both no shows for Game 7. Both lose.

But it's crazy to blame either of them soley since it's a team game.

Col did go on that amazing run and win so Mack will get a pass. If that run had not happened, the narrative would be the same. Can't win when it matters.

Mack scored the goal that put them up 2 in the 3rd and it should have been enough to win that game if not for Rantanen stealing that game from him and his old team.