Around the League - 2024-2025 Part II

[Nineteen67]

Does Brind’Amour hate his team? He really must.

 

[Fogelhund]

Since the 2021-2022 Hyman has 35 goals in the playoffs. Since 2021-2022, Marner, Matthews and Nylander have combined for 37 goals total.

Hyman's story is pretty incredible really. This is a guy with a ton of heart, incredible worth ethic, and great hockey IQ. He isn't blessed with elite talents, but he sure is a guy who finds a way to succeed. That he's become a better and better player as he gets older, is also something special.

Recall, at 28 years old, after missing time with knee issues, and having put up 1 point in 7 games in the playoffs, two of the previous three years... the contract the Oilers gave him was pretty rich. a) it looked like an overpayment at the time b) we really couldn't afford it anyway, as we overpaid the core 4. It's not often, that a player under such circumstances goes on to be so successful.

It goes to show you, that sometimes a players success, is dictated by being in the right circumstances for them. He was good, but not great with us. He was an absolute ghost in the playoffs for us.... but, it wasn't him, it was the circumstances, and the players and likely locker room mentality.

I hope he wins his cup.

 

[Nineteen67]

Hyman's story is pretty incredible really. This is a guy with a ton of heart, incredible worth ethic, and great hockey IQ. He isn't blessed with elite talents, but he sure is a guy who finds a way to succeed. That he's become a better and better player as he gets older, is also something special.

Recall, at 28 years old, after missing time with knee issues, and having put up 1 point in 7 games in the playoffs, two of the previous three years... the contract the Oilers gave him was pretty rich. a) it looked like an overpayment at the time b) we really couldn't afford it anyway, as we overpaid the core 4. It's not often, that a player under such circumstances goes on to be so successful.

It goes to show you, that sometimes a players success, is dictated by being in the right circumstances for them. He was good, but not great with us. He was an absolute ghost in the playoffs for us.... but, it wasn't him, it was the circumstances, and the players and likely locker room mentality.

I hope he wins his cup.

He has speed, size, and tenacity, which is what the Leafs desperately need. The circumstances that caused him to leave were mostly self-inflicted.

 

[ToneDog]

Crazy stat. Heard on First Up this morning. Hyman had 54 hits for the season. 10 last night and over 100 in the playoffs so far. Clearly guys like Hyman and Bennett do not and cannot play as physical for 82 games but at playoff time, they ramp it up. Kind of explains why Marner is super, elite during the regular season.

 

[ULF_55]

Is that Nylander?

Funny I was thinking


? - McDavid - Nylander

 

[ToneDog]

Does Brind’Amour hate his team? He really must.

What's to like? About to be swept once again.

 

[fahad203]

Must be nice for Oilers to get the most out of their superstars. I would like to know what feels like again
Last time we had a star player take over a playoff was probably Doug Gilmour

Between 92-93. Dougie played 39 playoff games. Had 63 points.
92 alone. 21 games. 35 points

Dougie also did everything beside drive the team bus. We were so spoiled

I am absolutely disgusted by our so called core4 especially Auston Matthews

 

[Da Mash]

Canes may well get swept but the mediots and their fans won’t be screaming from the roof tops to blow it all up

How is their core?

Lose to Florida in the 1st rd or 3rd rd is all the same.

But to some here winning a series or two is some kind of success.

4 teams left and seems like two of them are no better then the leafs IMHO and in all honesty the Leafs would have a easier time against Edmonton then Florida

 

[fahad203]

Canes may well get swept but the mediots and their fans won’t be screaming from the roof tops to blow it all up

How is their core?

Lose to Florida in the 1st rd or 3rd rd is all the same.

But to some here winning a series or two is some kind of success.

4 teams left and seems like two of them are no better then the leafs IMHO and in all honesty the Leafs would have a easier time against Edmonton then Florida

Canes reminds me of that speed skater in Olympics who always stays behind everyone else and waits for other best skaters to knock each other out

They are the most vanilla team and really doesn't have much of a threat of scoring. Forechecking was their game but without the puck means nothing. They are not physical enough to sway momentum. Reminds me of team Findland. They can only play the game one way

 

[Da Mash]

Canes reminds me of that speed skater in Olympics who always stays behind everyone else and waits for other best skaters to knock each other out

They are the most vanilla team and really doesn't have much of a threat of scoring. Forechecking was their game but without the puck means nothing. They are not physical enough to sway momentum. Reminds me of team Findland. They can only play the game one way

Yet they are in the conference finals

What does that say about the other 28 teams?

 

[Nineteen67]

What's to like? About to be swept once again.

And they’re soft

 

[Mess]

Heard it all now. ‘Stonehands” Hyman was just described as having a goal scorer’s hands. So Leafy.

You want to know how wrong they once were about old "Stonehands" Hyman?

In the 4 years since Dubas let Hyman walk claiming $5 mil was too much cap hit, Zach has recorded 35 playoff goals (2nd best in the entire NHL) with only Draisaitl ahead with 36 goals (+1).

Lets compare them to Leafs 3 Amigo's Auston, Willy and Mitch in those same last 4 playoff years COMBINED.

Leafs 3 so called star "goal scorers' have recorded 37 playoff goals combined compared to Zach Hyman 35 (and still counting), which is +2 total goals difference as of today.

You can see why Leafs struggle and change is needed when 3 players all making $11 mil or more struggle to keep up with MY Boy Zach Hyman who makes $5 mil. By the end of these playoffs Hyman likely will have outscored them.

"Stonehands" is a better label suited for Mitch Marner than Zach Hyman comparing 8 goals to 35.

 

[ACC1224]

You want to know how wrong they once were about old "Stonehands" Hyman?

In the 4 years since Dubas let Hyman walk claiming $5 mil was too much cap hit, Zach has recorded 35 playoff goals (2nd best in the entire NHL) with only Draisaitl ahead with 36 goals (+1).

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Lets compare them to Leafs 3 Amigo's Auston, Willy and Mitch in those same last 4 playoff years COMBINED.

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Leafs 3 so called star "goal scorers' have recorded 37 playoff goals combined compared to Zach Hyman 35 (and still counting), which is +2 total goals difference as of today.

You can see why Leafs struggle and change is needed when 3 players all making $11 mil or more struggle to keep up with MY Boy Zach Hyman who makes $5 mil. By the end of these playoffs Hyman likely will have outscored them.

"Stonehands" is a better label suited for Mitch Marner than Zach Hyman comparing 8 goals to 35.

Do you have a link where Dubas made that claim or are you making stuff up again?

 

[ToneDog]

And they’re soft

They have battled but clearly the cannot keep up with the bigger bullies.

 

[ToneDog]

You want to know how wrong they once were about old "Stonehands" Hyman?

In the 4 years since Dubas let Hyman walk claiming $5 mil was too much cap hit, Zach has recorded 35 playoff goals (2nd best in the entire NHL) with only Draisaitl ahead with 36 goals (+1).

View attachment 1042230

Lets compare them to Leafs 3 Amigo's Auston, Willy and Mitch in those same last 4 playoff years COMBINED.

View attachment 1042231

Leafs 3 so called star "goal scorers' have recorded 37 playoff goals combined compared to Zach Hyman 35 (and still counting), which is +2 total goals difference as of today.

You can see why Leafs struggle and change is needed when 3 players all making $11 mil or more struggle to keep up with MY Boy Zach Hyman who makes $5 mil. By the end of these playoffs Hyman likely will have outscored them.

"Stonehands" is a better label suited for Mitch Marner than Zach Hyman comparing 8 goals to 35.

Hyman was willing to take a hometown discount but the galaxy brained Dubas and Shanny thought the money could be better spent. Not surprised Hyman has morphed into a solid playoff performer playing with 29 and 97 but if you think he would have been the same player playing with 16 and 34, you are dreaming. Hyman probably gets no PP1 time here because the core 4 has to get all the PP1 time whether they are producing or not. Imagine a LW of Hyman, Knies, Cowan and McMann/Lorentz. Instead they keep running it back hopping 3 chihuahua turn into 3 bull dogs. Hyman is another one of the many Shanahan mistakes. Like Kadri said, you do not let your dogs go. I'm guessing he did not mean chihuahuas.

 

[Fogelhund]

You want to know how wrong they once were about old "Stonehands" Hyman?

In the 4 years since Dubas let Hyman walk claiming $5 mil was too much cap hit, Zach has recorded 35 playoff goals (2nd best in the entire NHL) with only Draisaitl ahead with 36 goals (+1).

View attachment 1042230

Lets compare them to Leafs 3 Amigo's Auston, Willy and Mitch in those same last 4 playoff years COMBINED.

View attachment 1042231

Leafs 3 so called star "goal scorers' have recorded 37 playoff goals combined compared to Zach Hyman 35 (and still counting), which is +2 total goals difference as of today.

You can see why Leafs struggle and change is needed when 3 players all making $11 mil or more struggle to keep up with MY Boy Zach Hyman who makes $5 mil. By the end of these playoffs Hyman likely will have outscored them.

"Stonehands" is a better label suited for Mitch Marner than Zach Hyman comparing 8 goals to 35.

Even in your posts at the time, you acknowledged $5 million was too much... not for Hyman, but the cap space we had. You talked about Marner and Matthews taking less, and we'd have room for him.

In the end... we replaced him for cap minimum Bunting, who put up more points than Hyman ever did.

Then we replaced Bunting, with Knies, who is better than either.

Would I love to have kept Hyman... absolutely. Hyman has of course become a much better player in Edmonton, than he ever was with us, or likely would have been with us... hard to predict that, as good as he was. He'd had two playoffs in the prior three years, with one assist in seven games each. He had knee issues... so he wasn't the playoff performer with us, he became... though that probably is due to who he is, and was surrounded with.

 

[ACC1224]

Even in your posts at the time, you acknowledged $5 million was too much... not for Hyman, but the cap space we had. You talked about Marner and Matthews taking less, and we'd have room for him.

In the end... we replaced him for cap minimum Bunting, who put up more points than Hyman ever did.

Then we replaced Bunting, with Knies, who is better than either.

Would I love to have kept Hyman... absolutely. Hyman has of course become a much better player in Edmonton, than he ever was with us, or likely would have been with us... hard to predict that, as good as he was. He'd had two playoffs in the prior three years, with one assist in seven games each. He had knee issues... so he wasn't the playoff performer with us, he became... though that probably is due to who he is, and was surrounded with.

As I recall, at the time the issue wasn't the dollars but the amount of years Hyman wanted.

I do know that Dubas never made the claim that Mess imagined he did.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Thank you Kyle.

 

[Fogelhund]

As I recall, at the time the issue wasn't the dollars but the amount of years Hyman wanted.

I do know that Dubas never made the claim that Mess imagined he did.

We just didn't have the cap space to match that deal.

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs/cap/_/year/2021

In hindsight, we should have moved Kerfoot, and kept Hyman... that would have been the right move. Even then, making that cap work, would have been pretty difficult, if not impossible.

 

[Superstar]

Must be nice for Oilers to get the most out of their superstars. I would like to know what feels like again
Last time we had a star player take over a playoff was probably Doug Gilmour

Between 92-93. Dougie played 39 playoff games. Had 63 points.
92 alone. 21 games. 35 points

Dougie also did everything beside drive the team bus. We were so spoiled

I am absolutely disgusted by our so called core4 especially Auston Matthews

I recall hearing things like Dougie would lose a few pounds after every game, soaking wet...he gave sweat and blood every playoff game...can't say the same for these prima-donnas.

 

[ACC1224]

Some interesting thoughts on Hyman

Rumor: Thread 'Zach Hyman is signing in Edmonton - Done deal per James Mirtle'

Jul 22, 2021

• taurine330
• Replies: 1,013
• Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs

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[ULF_55]

What a difference a team makes.

 

[ULF_55]

Yet they are in the conference finals

What does that say about the other 28 teams?

Was not the opinion the Capitals just exceeded during the regular season?
They had one goal, beat Gretzky's record.

 

[fahad203]

I recall hearing things like Dougie would lose a few pounds after every game, soaking wet...he gave sweat and blood every playoff game...can't say the same for these prima-donnas.

He played a lot of games with a lot of broken stuff and in severe pain

 

[shaner8989]

Imagine the Lefas kept Hyman Verhaeghe and Marchment.

Managment f***ed up. Bad