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Tage Thompson is a beast. 5th of the night, still 23 minutes left to add.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
I like that the response to Hedman not being as amazing this year is "it's not fair he has to play hard minutes now"
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I feel like I've been seeing the opposite (as in people burying him and anointing Sergachev as the new #1D there).

It is pretty interesting given the loss of McDonagh. I bet Palat is a big hit to team defense as well, dude grinded.
 
per above - this guy got some shot accuracy short side post in little tiny window:
 
I was surprised to find out that despite the Sabres’ record, they actually have the most point-per-game scorers in the league this season, which is 5! (Thompson/Dahlin/Skinner/Tuch/Cozens, minimum 20 games or points)
 
All The Kings Men said:
I've been mulling over a thought in my head recently ...

I understand why players and coaches have and maybe even NEED to have a "win now" mentaltiy. Their careers are short and their success is predicated on capitalizing on any opportunity.

Maybe it's not more prevalent than it used to be but it FEELS to me like theres more and more players acting as GM/Pres. Hockey Ops in the league today and I'm not sure that "win now" mentality is helpful in that role and I wonder if the combination of that overall shift in approach combined with limiting factors like the salary cap and an ever expanding league is why we're seeing teams make inexplicable decisions.


Or maybe people have always made dumb mistakes and I'm just trying to find made up patterns in the noise
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Depends on the definition of inexplicable. Keeping Kaprizov despite way too much in dead cap to surround him with more talent isn't inexplicable. Moving on from Parise and Suter isn't inexplicable. Expensive, limiting, but it's not like the Wild are terrible as a result.

King'sPawn said:
What?

Sakic waited very patiently for a good trade to get rid of Duchene, who wanted out. He was raked over the coals for not dealing him sooner. When he finally did, he got 7 pieces back, which includes:
2019 first round pick (Bowen Byram)
Shane Bowers
Samuel Girard
Vladislav Kamenev
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Look back to when he started. Up and down every year. Seemingly no plan.

Easy to say he was mindfully patient now. We can also now say Buffalo didn't get completely screwed in the O'Reilly trade, whereas for quite a long time, the Sabres had gotten nothing for a 1C.

Good to talk about patience though, because we have none with the Kings.

GoldenBearHockey said:
Sakic lucked, Lombardi lucked.....

Is there anyone who did not just luck into a Cup?
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When I say luck, I mean things happen along the way regardless of your plan. The Avs could not have planned to be aa bad as they were 8 years, 6 years, and 4 years after drafting Duchene #3, Landeskog #2, and MacKinnon #1, for example. Then lose the lottery, and still get Makar.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Depends on the definition of inexplicable. Keeping Kaprizov despite way too much in dead cap to surround him with more talent isn't inexplicable. Moving on from Parise and Suter isn't inexplicable. Expensive, limiting, but it's not like the Wild are terrible as a result.



Look back to when he started. Up and down every year. Seemingly no plan.

Easy to say he was mindfully patient now. We can also now say Buffalo didn't get completely screwed in the O'Reilly trade, whereas for quite a long time, the Sabres had gotten nothing for a 1C.

Good to talk about patience though, because we have none with the Kings.



When I say luck, I mean things happen along the way regardless of your plan. The Avs could not have planned to be aa bad as they were 8 years, 6 years, and 4 years after drafting Duchene #3, Landeskog #2, and MacKinnon #1, for example. Then lose the lottery, and still get Makar.
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Thats not lucking into anything though, that's adapting as situation changes.....no one plans to be bad, f*** this years Kings are a prime example, last year, stalwart defensively, couldn't score, so they planned to fix the scoring (Fiala) worked like a charm, but now the defense is broke...how do plan on fixing something before it breaks?
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
Thats not lucking into anything though, that's adapting as situation changes.....no one plans to be bad, f*** this years Kings are a prime example, last year, stalwart defensively, couldn't score, so they planned to fix the scoring (Fiala) worked like a charm, but now the defense is broke...how do plan on fixing something before it breaks?
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But options have to be there to adapt to. If Gagne doesn't get hurt, I think DL is more than happy going into the playoffs with the 7D he had. If Carter doesn't want out, he's not even available to replace Gagne at a much lower price than what Clb paid for him.

There's a fine line between plan, adaptation, and happenstance.

That Muzzin ended up doing what Hickey was supposed to do, that's luck.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
But options have to be there to adapt to. If Gagne doesn't get hurt, I think DL is more than happy going into the playoffs with the 7D he had. If Carter doesn't want out, he's not even available to replace Gagne at a much lower price than what Clb paid for him.

There's a fine line between plan, adaptation, and happenstance.

That Muzzin ended up doing what Hickey was supposed to do, that's luck.
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So then.....tell me one team that didn't LUCK into winning a cup......
 
I think every cup team has a little luck. The grind of the playoffs is so much it is needed. That said luck can only go so far (2012 Coyotes come to mind), need blend of elite team make up and a bit of luck
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
Thats not lucking into anything though, that's adapting as situation changes.....no one plans to be bad, f*** this years Kings are a prime example, last year, stalwart defensively, couldn't score, so they planned to fix the scoring (Fiala) worked like a charm, but now the defense is broke...how do plan on fixing something before it breaks?
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Maybe not going into the season with one sure-thing LHD and a gamble with Edler while playing Durzi of all people on his wrong side would have been a start.

Being patient means we didn't have to leverage everything right away but Edler clearly doesn't 'replace' Maatta at this stage in that he can't play up the lineup at all and a lot of what is broken is simply pairing chemistry with 4-5 of the same 5'11" ish RHD in play every night.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Maybe not going into the season with one sure-thing LHD and a gamble with Edler while playing Durzi of all people on his wrong side would have been a start.

Being patient means we didn't have to leverage everything right away but Edler clearly doesn't 'replace' Maatta at this stage in that he can't play up the lineup at all and a lot of what is broken is simply pairing chemistry with 4-5 of the same 5'11" ish RHD in play every night.
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Did they though? Or did they break camp that way, are you saying Bjornfoot didnt attend training camp? Or was he not sure thing after playing 70+ games last year?
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
Did they though? Or did they break camp that way, are you saying Bjornfoot didnt attend training camp? Or was he not sure thing after playing 70+ games last year?
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Bjornfot is just this year's victim of the great Blake waiver games.

I just said in another thread your roster qualifications are age and waiver status alone.

Him and Roy looked stellar that ONE game they played together before TM had seen enough and broke it up again.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
Bjornfot is just this year's victim of the great Blake waiver games.

I just said in another thread your roster qualifications are age and waiver status alone.

Him and Roy looked stellar that ONE game they played together before TM had seen enough and broke it up again.
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Unsure of your answer, did they go into camp that way? Or did Bjornfoot get outplayed? Or did they want him to work on his offensive game etc?

I've said before and I will keep saying it.....handedness of D is a relatively new thing, and you should be playing your best 6.......now it's a valid argument that says they aren't doing that....but Clarke isn't quite there, he has the potential to get there absolutely, and he has to play, same with Bjornfoot....but are they absolutely there? With the rebuttal being...can't be much worse...I get that...
 
started getting texts from leaf fans last night...god i hope LA's ramshackle D and goalie can keep this close.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
Unsure of your answer, did they go into camp that way? Or did Bjornfoot get outplayed? Or did they want him to work on his offensive game etc?

I've said before and I will keep saying it.....handedness of D is a relatively new thing, and you should be playing your best 6.......now it's a valid argument that says they aren't doing that....but Clarke isn't quite there, he has the potential to get there absolutely, and he has to play, same with Bjornfoot....but are they absolutely there? With the rebuttal being...can't be much worse...I get that...
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It sounded like they wanted him to get big minutes, which I don't disagree with, but which could happen on our current NHL roster too given his play with Roy after the meltdown game. But then TM went back to insanity.

The problem then is if you want Bjornfot to get big minutes, you have to address the roster having a giant gap between Anderson and Edler, especially given Edler's age/injuries/needing nights off. God forbid Anderson get banged up for a few games....why not Moverare?

I agree that handedness is a relatively new thing but it's pretty clear most of our guys cannot function on the left...so the clock is ticking on Blake. I dont' really fault him for trying this way in the name of asset management, but it's actively getting worse not better. Durzi is a tire fire there. Walker acquitted himself well in the past even next to Doughty, but he's clearly not up to speed. Roy sucks on the left. Spence would be a waste. I don't think we had a choice in letting Maatta go, nor would I even advocate bringing him back at that price, but I also figured that would leave something like Moverare on the left or a healthier/better version of Edler. Right now, they're surviving (barely) but not thriving.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
It sounded like they wanted him to get big minutes, which I don't disagree with, but which could happen on our current NHL roster too given his play with Roy after the meltdown game. But then TM went back to insanity.

The problem then is if you want Bjornfot to get big minutes, you have to address the roster having a giant gap between Anderson and Edler, especially given Edler's age/injuries/needing nights off. God forbid Anderson get banged up for a few games....why not Moverare?

I agree that handedness is a relatively new thing but it's pretty clear most of our guys cannot function on the left...so the clock is ticking on Blake. I dont' really fault him for trying this way in the name of asset management, but it's actively getting worse not better. Durzi is a tire fire there. Walker acquitted himself well in the past even next to Doughty, but he's clearly not up to speed. Roy sucks on the left. Spence would be a waste. I don't think we had a choice in letting Maatta go, nor would I even advocate bringing him back at that price, but I also figured that would leave something like Moverare on the left or a healthier/better version of Edler. Right now, they're surviving (barely) but not thriving.
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Moverare issue is skating, right? From what I remember, always in the right position, but he has to get there about 5 seconds ahead of everyone to make it work.....I don't know if he is an NHL defenseman......30 years ago, sure.....today.....I don't know...

Bjornfoot wouldn't be playing big minutes on the NHL, so if they want him to play those big minutes, there's only one way for him to do that.....

So does the argument now shift, to development vs deployment etc? Do we WANT LA to develop Bjornfoot, or do we just want to stop watching Durzi f*** a turkey on the left side?
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
Moverare issue is skating, right? From what I remember, always in the right position, but he has to get there about 5 seconds ahead of everyone to make it work.....I don't know if he is an NHL defenseman......30 years ago, sure.....today.....I don't know...

Bjornfoot wouldn't be playing big minutes on the NHL, so if they want him to play those big minutes, there's only one way for him to do that.....

So does the argument now shift, to development vs deployment etc? Do we WANT LA to develop Bjornfoot, or do we just want to stop watching Durzi f*** a turkey on the left side?
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That's always been the argument, why can't we have both? It shouldn't need to be an either/or proposition.
 
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