GDT: Around the League - 2021/22 - Playoffs edition

[OVO16]

For an "all skill" model like the Avs, you cannot point me to one single player on that team that does a fly by. Not one. Total buy in from every player sacrificing themselves.

Yeah, I find it hilarious that the Media and certain sections of this fanbase continue to compare the Avs to the Leafs like they're so similar.

Avs not only had the speed and skill....they played the body more than Tampa did and straight up outworked them. They weren't afraid to use the body and finish checks.

They had 40+ hits in every single Stanley cup game. Their defenseman weren't afraid to knock people down. Their 4th line played such a robust series (Helm, Cogliano, Sturm)

Leafs dont have the personnel for that. They dont got warriors

 

[Gabriel426]

I am not saying the Kadri trade was a good trade for the Leafs, but I am a bit annoyed by the medias playing it like the dumbest deal in the history of NHL. Look Kadri played a big part in Avs winning the Cup but so did Toews and I don't see any articles about Lou and Islanders making a bad deal.....

Yeah, I find it hilarious that the Media and certain sections of this fanbase continue to compare the Avs to the Leafs like they're so similar.

Avs not only had the speed and skill....they played the body more than Tampa did and straight up outworked them. They weren't afraid to use the body and finish checks.

They had 40+ hits in every single Stanley cup game. Their defenseman weren't afraid to knock people down. Their 4th line played such a robust series (Helm, Cogliano, Sturm)

Leafs dont have the personnel for that. They dont got warriors

Also, they skill guys actually drove to the net with and without the puck.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

You can have all the skill you want but if they are not committed to win, then you lose in the first rd.
TB has a brick wall in goal but the commitment of ALL the TB players is impressive . We don't have this level of commitment and never will .
Colorado has a tone of skill but ALL of there players are committed to win , no one says away from contact , WE do.

All of them have had their star players waiver in their output and effectiveness at different times during these playoffs, and other playoffs. Is that due to a lack of commitment? Maybe. Is it just having a bad game or stretch of games? Also maybe. At least you are good enough to win when you are committed and playing to your capabilities, and a lot of those things (especially in terms of commitment) are things the players themselves need to figure out.

Something neither team did was put in guys who were flat out incapable of providing some kind of value outside of grit, even when they tried hard. That is something you, as a coach or manager, can directly impact. In these past few years, if we focused on adding more skill to certain spots over chasing grit or killer instinct, we probably get enough from our depth to win a (if not multiple) series.

Yet we still have fans who think that continuing to do the very things which has been Dubas' largest miscues (sacrificing skill for grit; which I actually imagine is more of a Shanny mandate considering Dubas has come out saying that he would not do that) is what we need to do to win, when the winning teams are doing the opposite.

 

[Antropovsky]

I am not saying the Kadri trade was a good trade for the Leafs, but I am a bit annoyed by the medias playing it like the dumbest deal in the history of NHL. Look Kadri played a big part in Avs winning the Cup but so did Toews and I don't see any articles about Lou and Islanders making a bad deal.....


Also, they skill guys actually drove to the net with and without the puck.

Always found it strange that Kadri was never moved into the top 6 when this team was actually talented. Didn't he play great with Marner for a short period. He never seemed to get a fair shake here.... and obviously his maturity was called into question on more than one occasion. Even more weird that we traded him for Barrie who was the North American Nylander on Defense. Who happened to be a player the head coach didn't even want.

A bit of a reflection of the incompetence of the Leafs Management.

 

[Gabriel426]

Always found it strange that Kadri was never moved into the top 6 when this team was actually talented. Didn't he play great with Marner for a short period. He never seemed to get a fair shake here.... and obviously his maturity was called into question on more than one occasion. Even more weird that we traded him for Barrie who was the North American Nylander on Defense. Who happened to be a player the head coach didn't even want.

A bit of a reflection of the incompetence of the Leafs Management.

I think Kadri was our 2C after AM started playing. The Bozak line was always playing shelter mins with Ozone starts. Kadri's line was a bit of a matchup shut down line. If anything, it was really Babs overplaying Leo that caused Leo to breakdown quite a bit.

 

[deprw]

100%. Tim Peel literally tweeted out “Karma” or some shit when Kadri got injured. Guaranteed the refs had it out for him and let the Bruins abuse the shit out of him until he couldn’t take anymore. And Parros that rat f*** was only too eager to go overboard with his suspensions.

That second game in 2019 series against Boston was sorry excuse for hockey game. Full disgrace towards game, league and us. Can't forget and never forgive. We lost Kadri for suspension and Hyman busted his knee in that shit fest. Referees and league stole that game from us and with Kadri's suspension basicly took our advantage away and put us in to bad spot regarding whole series.

I'm still angry when I think about that game and series. It is one thing to let teams play hard and other thing push boundaries to point where you can bodycheck almost one second late in every play.

You can have all the skill you want but if they are not committed to win, then you lose in the first rd.
TB has a brick wall in goal but the commitment of ALL the TB players is impressive . We don't have this level of commitment and never will .
Colorado has a tone of skill but ALL of there players are committed to win , no one says away from contact , WE do.

They weren't always that way, it is learning curve and saying that our players can't get into that point is stupid. We said that same thing about Kessel, about Bozak, about Kadri etc.

Spin the wheel over and over and over again with different players and eventually you see, that you just have to build it, endure the pain and get through it.

It just takes time that our star players are in the point where MacKinnon is. It isn't given talent or virtue, it's process of learning the demands of the game and situation.

 

[ACC1224]

For an "all skill" model like the Avs, you cannot point me to one single player on that team that does a fly by. Not one. Total buy in from every player sacrificing themselves.

It’s amazing to me how many don’t understand this important aspect of the game.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Yeah, I find it hilarious that the Media and certain sections of this fanbase continue to compare the Avs to the Leafs like they're so similar.

Avs not only had the speed and skill....they played the body more than Tampa did and straight up outworked them. They weren't afraid to use the body and finish checks.

They had 40+ hits in every single Stanley cup game. Their defenseman weren't afraid to knock people down. Their 4th line played such a robust series (Helm, Cogliano, Sturm)

Leafs dont have the personnel for that. They dont got warriors

They've said we're similar to the dominating Blackhawks, the Lightning and the Avalanche. Hahaha

I am not saying the Kadri trade was a good trade for the Leafs, but I am a bit annoyed by the medias playing it like the dumbest deal in the history of NHL. Look Kadri played a big part in Avs winning the Cup but so did Toews and I don't see any articles about Lou and Islanders making a bad deal.....


Also, they skill guys actually drove to the net with and without the puck.

It's because Lou is respected and Kyle isn't.

 

[Nineteen67]

Well it would be odd for him to mention fringe NHLers on other random teams in his Cup winning speech.

Not really the point though is it?

What he said was, you can’t win with guys like Nylander being selfish and soft and that they have to pull the rope the same direction as everyone else.

 

[yubbers]

Probably more directed at the media.

Dubas did him dirty.

That was meant for him. Good on ya Naz

 

[kb]

They've said we're similar to the dominating Blackhawks, the Lightning and the Avalanche. Hahaha


It's because Lou is respected and Kyle isn't.

Lou is rightfully laughed at and mocked.

 

[DarkKnight]

Lou is rightfully laughed at and mocked.

Ya, that’s why he’s a Hall of Famer. And our guy said he routinely calls him for advice. I mean….

 

[Mess]

Lou is rightfully laughed at and mocked.

Lou Lam was named 2 X consecutive years to the Jim Gregory award as NHL GM executive of the year by his peers (fellow GM and management) which is the Hart equivalent NHL award as MVP for general managers in 2020 and 2021. Perhaps you misspoke and meant to say Lou is rightfully cheered and praised.

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Lamoriello named General Manager of Year again ... - NHL.com​

Lou Lamoriello of the New York Islanders was named the winner of the Jim Gregory General Manager of the Year Award for the second straight season on Tuesday.

Presented annually to the general manager who best excelled at his role during the regular season, the award is voted on by NHL GMs and a panel of NHL executives and print and broadcast media after the second round of the Stanley Cup Playoffs.

Lamoriello is the first person to win it twice; he also won last season when New York reached the third round for the first time since 1993.

"Winning an award such as this is very humbling," Lamoriello said. "It's very difficult because it shouldn't be one person being recognized. It's an award that really embraces what the organization has accomplished throughout the year".

Lamoriello guided the Islanders to the Eastern Conference Final this season and at least the second round of the playoffs in consecutive seasons after they had advanced there once since 1993. He joined the Islanders as president of hockey operations on May 22, 2018, and became the GM on June 5. Two weeks later, on June 21, Barry Trotz was hired as coach. Trotz, who had won the Stanley Cup with the Washington Capitals the previous season, won the Jack Adams Award as the top coach in the NHL last season after New York had a 23-point improvement.

 

[kb]

Ya, that’s why he’s a Hall of Famer. And our guy said he routinely calls him for advice. I mean….

Fletcher is too.

 

[kb]

Lou Lam was named 2 X consecutive years to the Jim Gregory award as NHL GM executive of the year by his peers (fellow GM and management) which is the Hart equivalent NHL award MVP for general managers in 2020 and 2021.

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Lamoriello named General Manager of Year again ... - NHL.com​

Lou Lamoriello of the New York Islanders was named the winner of the Jim Gregory General Manager of the Year Award for the second straight season on Tuesday.

Presented annually to the general manager who best excelled at his role during the regular season, the award is voted on by NHL GMs and a panel of NHL executives and print and broadcast media after the second round of the Stanley Cup Playoffs.

Lamoriello is the first person to win it twice; he also won last season when New York reached the third round for the first time since 1993.

"Winning an award such as this is very humbling," Lamoriello said. "It's very difficult because it shouldn't be one person being recognized. It's an award that really embraces what the organization has accomplished throughout the year".

So the Islanders got back to the level they were at a season before the one year went off the rails.

He's set them up well for the future, by burning them to the ground with horrifically unwarranted and unprecedented overpayments to 3rd liners, and has set them up with zero prospects of note outside of Raty perhaps.

If I had lost this argument this many times, I would be appealing to authority to cover up the fact I had nothing useful to say too.

 

[Mess]

Worthy reminder that Kadri was suspended last year on the Av's .. so there is no doubt some spotlight on him after putting his team at a disadvantage for the 3rd time in 4 years.

It's misleading to think this is solely directed as Dubas, it's just fitting a narrative.

Well as far as accountability goes there is only 1 sole person in Dubas as Leafs GM the reason he is no longer a Leaf, as the one who traded him.

Leafs GM believed Alex Kerfoot ($3.5 mil) gave him a better chance for Cup success than ($4.5 mil) did for Kadri. Looks like Naz is getting the last laugh on this issue.

Hard to imagine Kadri is giving a shout out to message board posters, and media types, but I suppose if there are some out there that support and endorse the dealing by Dubas of Kadri away for the reasons he provided and feel slighted, then I suppose they can assume Kadri remarks are directed at them as well.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Well as far as accountability goes there is only 1 sole person in Dubas as Leafs GM the reason he is no longer a Leaf, as the one who traded him.

Leafs GM believed Alex Kerfoot ($3.5 mil) gave him a better chance for Cup success than ($4.5 mil) did for Kadri. Looks like Naz is getting the last laugh on this issue.

Hard to imagine Kadri is giving a shout out to message board posters, and media types, but I suppose if there are some out there that support and endorse the dealing by Dubas of Kadri away for the reasons he provided and feel slighted, then I suppose they can assume Kadri remarks are directed at them as well.

Missing a piece Mess.. Dubas also thought Barrie could provide needed pick moving ability on the right side and help boost the defense.

Unfortunately Barrie did gel with Babcock and that led him to walk in UFA and put up big numbers in Edmonton the next year.

Fortunately for the Leafs the intent of improving the defense worked out since they were able to sign Brodie who was the initial target in a Kadri deal.

 

[Leafs at Knight]

I mean good for Kadri, and I liked him here for the most part but he let the team and the fans down 2 years in a row at eh most important times with his selfishness.

 

[Gallagbi]

Hard to imagine Kadri is giving a shout out to message board posters, and media types, but I suppose if there are some out there that support and endorse the dealing by Dubas of Kadri away for the reasons he provided and feel slighted, then I suppose they can assume Kadri remarks are directed at them as well.

Not that hard to imagine at all, this is the guy who called our McKenzie on twitter.

f*** are your posts ever insufferable these days, how do you continue to get away with this shit?

 

[Mess]

Missing a piece Mess.. Dubas also thought Barrie could provide needed pick moving ability on the right side and help boost the defense.

Unfortunately Barrie did gel with Babcock and that led him to walk in UFA and put up big numbers in Edmonton the next year.

Fortunately for the Leafs the intent of improving the defense worked out since they were able to sign Brodie who was the initial target in a Kadri deal.

You're correct the full trade was Kadri, Calle Rosen and 3rd round pick in 2020, to Alex Kerfoot, Tyson Barrie (pending UFA) and 6th round pick.

Traded • Tyson Barrie • Alex Kerfoot • 2020 sixth round pick (#179-Joe Miller) to Maple Leafs for • Nazem Kadri • Calle Rosen • 2020 third round pick (#74-Jean-Luc Foudy) on 2019-07-01

Wasn't Keefe already the Leafs coach at the time of Barrie's departure as UFA, as I remember Barrie played under Sheldon in the playoffs against CBJ?

Seems like it was Dubas and Keefe that decided they would prefer Brodie a UFA for the cap space and replacement for Tyson Barrie on defense so they let him walk, although I'm not sure about the worked out part as Leafs didn't advance any further in the playoffs with Brodie as opposed to Barrie.. However Barrie made it to the final 4 with Edmonton this year, before losing to the eventual Cup champs and Kadri hoisted the Cup with Avs, so as for departing Leafs players it seems to have worked out for them once they left Toronto.

If the Leafs had traded Kadri for Brodie directly as initially intended, they would have even less to show for the deal today, as they still have Kerfoot now in addition to Brodie whom they simply signed as a UFA. Kerfoot/Barrie and/or Kerfoot/Brodie still have the same ending to the season for Toronto. Naz is the only one with a happy ending.

 

[TheShape]

Avs are going to lose a lot of those pending UFAs to free agency but won’t care about that right now.

All of Sakic’s acquisitions this year were spot on.

 

[yubbers]

Lou is rightfully laughed at and mocked.

This take...LOL

 

[Vaive50]

In the interview with Kadri on the ice after they won the cup, when he said...."those who thought I was a playoff Liability can kiss my ass", I'm sure he was referring to Dubas, maybe Shanahan.

 

[Fogelhund]

In the interview with Kadri on the ice after they won the cup, when he said...."those who thought I was a playoff Liability can kiss my ass", I'm sure he was referring to Dubas, maybe Shanahan.

That's the problem, most people seem to think he was moved due to the two playoff suspensions, when they were simply the last straws that broke the camel's back.

It's probably the press, or social media he's referring to...

and he's mostly been a playoff liability... that's true.

 

[Legion34]

In the interview with Kadri on the ice after they won the cup, when he said...."those who thought I was a playoff Liability can kiss my ass", I'm sure he was referring to Dubas, maybe Shanahan.

I mean he has accomplished way more in his life then I ever will. So it’s not like I can judge. But that seems to be his problem.

He can’t say “I went too far or I made mistakes and I learned”. I mean he parked in handicapped spots at MlSE and made excuses.

He can’t recognize growth and be proud of it. It’s “I was never a playoff liability. You were wrong”