GDT: Around the League - 2021/22 - Playoffs edition

[Gabriel426]

Well, it means that the posters who want to blow it all up are not thinking clearly. One goal away is not half a world away.

Unless you really want to hammer home the whole first round thing, even if each time was with a different team and even though past performance has absolutely no bearing on todays performance. But people keep harping stupidly on it.

My point is not about blowing it all up but more to do with can’t be happy for what the team accomplished which is being a playoff team, where half the league makes the playoffs every season.

Some view winning the first round is the be all and end all but the goal is to Win the Cup and not a round.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

My point is not about blowing it all up but more to do with can’t be happy for what the team accomplished which is being a playoff team, where half the league makes the playoffs every season.

Some view winning the first round is the be all and end all but the goal is to Win the Cup and not a round.

I’ll take a round for now but they can’t even do that.

 

[Gabriel426]

I’ll take a round for now but they can’t even do that.

That’s the thing, we(fans, MGt, players) should not be happy or satisfy for making it past the first round. Quite frankly, I believe the Leafs is better than that.

 

[Dekes For Days]

How does his xgf/60 look?

Goaltenders don't generate xgf.

 

[Bomber0104]

That’s the thing, we(fans, MGt, players) should not be happy or satisfy for making it past the first round. Quite frankly, I believe the Leafs is better than that.

The bar has never been lower for Toronto, it's almost comedic at this point..

Dubas/Shanny up at the post-season press conference each year sounding like they just suffered a Conference Final / Cup defeat, and not just the first round of the playoffs / play-in round

 

[Nineteen67]

NHL teams do not "mail in" playoff games.

Some days you just don’t have it and some days you don’t do what youre capable of doing. Tampa didn’t play right a couple of games early in the playoffs and we’re rusty last round.

 

[Nineteen67]

Disappointing grind-fest. Game 7 was the worst when Bruins stupidly tried to go all-physical in the 1st, tired themselves out, and then had nothing left for the rest of the game.

How does his xgf/60 look?

If we get another playoff dud, I expect that Apr-Jun next year will be one of the most interesting and eventful periods in Leafs history.

You didn't show up in this post.

The whole series was physical. One of my favourite all-time hits was Krug’s

 

[deprw]

But why should Leafs players care when they're getting paid based on regular season stats and performance and not being rewarded for winning championship?

Every time you compare contracts with Florida team you have to remember that they have no state tax. Steven Stamkos takes home same amount of real dollars as Mitch Marner does. It is bit more convenient to give home town discount when you actually make same amount than the other player. It was easier from them to bridge Point because of that.

 

[socko]

Goaltenders don't generate xgf.

and that's why we don't need them. I get it now. The spreadsheet has spoken.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I am getting abit annoyed that some think taking TB to game 7 is some sort of accomplishment and getting past the first round is some sort of achievement. Half the teams in the playoffs=8 teams make it past the first round every year.
Yes, the boys played better this playoffs, they also almost beating TB….but the fact is TB is playing in the Finals for the third straight year while our Leafs didn’t make it to the second round at the same period.

This seems like a straw man argument. I haven't anyone call this an "accomplishment" myself but I have seen people do what you're doing now - berate these phantom people for calling it an "accomplishment". I've actually seen this many, many times and it's really tedious.

We accomplished nothing. We did play well though and we didn't roll over and die at crunch time like we did the previous 4 years so why can't people say so without being beaten over the head with these straw men? Obviously winning is the goal and we didn't do that. But if we're discussing how close we are or aren't to finally winning, it's important to look at things a bit deeper than to just say "we lost".

 

[Bomber0104]

This seems like a straw man argument. I haven't anyone call this an "accomplishment" myself but I have seen people do what you're doing now - berate these phantom people for calling it an "accomplishment". I've actually seen this many, many times and it's really tedious.

We accomplished nothing. We did play well though and we didn't roll over and die at crunch time like we did the previous 4 years so why can't people say so without being beaten over the head with these straw men? Obviously winning is the goal and we didn't do that. But if we're discussing how close we are or aren't to finally winning, it's important to look at things a bit deeper than to just say "we lost".

You're right, we can get a lot deeper than "we lost" :

"We lost" in the first round for 6th year in a row.

 

[Gabriel426]

This seems like a straw man argument. I haven't anyone call this an "accomplishment" myself but I have seen people do what you're doing now - berate these phantom people for calling it an "accomplishment". I've actually seen this many, many times and it's really tedious.

We accomplished nothing. We did play well though and we didn't roll over and die at crunch time like we did the previous 4 years so why can't people say so without being beaten over the head with these straw men? Obviously winning is the goal and we didn't do that. But if we're discussing how close we are or aren't to finally winning, it's important to look at things a bit deeper than to just say "we lost".

They did lost. There is no doubt they played better than years past b/c they didn't just roll over and die. But they should never just give up to begin with.

What I want and I hope is that Dubas, AM, Keefe and the rest of them be piss that TB made it to the Finals and if only they score ONE more goal in Game 6 or 7, they would be in the Finals instead of thinking, we are the only team to play TB in Game 7, and we almost beat them, any other teams, we would be in the 2nd round or ECF....we were just unlucky to play TB in the first round.

 

[ULF_55]

That’s the thing, we(fans, MGt, players) should not be happy or satisfy for making it past the first round. Quite frankly, I believe the Leafs is better than that.

You can't win the Cup without winning the first round.

So if you aren't happy about winning the first round ...

I don't know perhaps you're trying to say you won't be satisfied without the Cup?

 

[Bomber0104]

You can't win the Cup without winning the first round.

So if you aren't happy about winning the first round ...

I don't know perhaps you're trying to say you won't be satisfied without the Cup?

And yet the Leafs haven't even done that, so following that logic, no one should be happy right now.

They've failed, to even round first base each and every year since Dubas, Shanahan, and Keefe have been here.

There's no amount of sugar-coating that can be done to avoid that fact.

 

[Gabriel426]

You can't win the Cup without winning the first round.

So if you aren't happy about winning the first round ...

I don't know perhaps you're trying to say you won't be satisfied without the Cup?

They have not even win a round yet.

 

[ULF_55]

And yet the Leafs haven't even done that, so following that logic, no one should be happy right now.

They've failed, to even round first base each and every year since Dubas, Shanahan, and Keefe have been here.

There's no amount of sugar-coating that can be done to avoid that fact.

Sorry, isn't it every year since ... I was middle age?

 

[ULF_55]

They have not even win a round yet.

So you won't be happy if they win the first round towards winning the Cup?

So you will be unhappy after they win the first three rounds next year?

 

[Bomber0104]

Sorry, isn't it every year since ... I was middle age?

Regardless of how you want to frame success (even though you're arguing both sides on what that actually is) they've failed to even round first base with Shanahan/Dubas/Keefe in charge.

That's pretty sad but I mean, in a historical context like you said it's just a drop in the water.

But why should anyone feel better about that?

Are standards really that low for this organization where losing in the first round/play-in for 6 years in a row is OK?

Sure seems that way, to some...

 

[ULF_55]

Regardless of how you want to frame it, they've failed to even round first base with Shanahan/Dubas/Keefe in charge.

That's pretty sad but I mean, in a historical context like you said it's just a drop in the water.

But why should anyone feel better about that?

Are standards really that low for this organization where this is OK?

Sure seems that way.

I think, and I've said this before, for some I believe they are fans of some players first, team second.

For others, we would trade anyone if it it meant better odds to win.

 

[Bomber0104]

I think, and I've said this before, for some I believe they are fans of some players first, team second.

For others, we would trade anyone if it it meant better odds to win.

What about the GM?

 

[ULF_55]

What about the GM?

Just another temp employee.

 

[Bomber0104]

Just another temp employee.

I know.

Following your point of some of Leafs Nation being fans of players first / team next, I was asking if you think some are fans of the GM first as well.

 

[ULF_55]

I know.

Following your point of some of Leafs Nation being fans of players first / team next, I was asking if you think some are fans of the GM first as well.

We can guess, likely.

 

[Gabriel426]

So you won't be happy if they win the first round towards winning the Cup?

So you will be unhappy after they win the first three rounds next year?

Should we be happy if they win the first round?
What’s so good about winning the first round?
Half the teams in the playoffs win the first round every year.

Winning the first round is a step but that’s the be all end all.
Just like finishing top 5 in the regular season, does it matters if they lose in the first round again?

Unless you think the Leafs is a team that is lucky to make the playoffs, there really should not be a reason to be happy for them winning a round.

Winning a round is a step forward, playing in the ECF is a step forward, playing for the Cup is a step forward.

Leafs should be in the ECF for the past two seasons, not based on my expectations but based on their regular season performance.

 

[Dekes For Days]

and that's why we don't need them.

Of course you need goaltenders.

Tampa didn’t play right a couple of games early in the playoffs and we’re rusty last round.

Tampa has given it their all in every game during these playoffs. NHL teams, and especially back to back Cup champions, don't mail in playoff games.