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Reminds me of the Marc Andre Fleury play against us last season. I mean...it's a great save but I hear people calling the greatest save in decades and I think people have a strong recency bias.
 
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I don't wish injuries on anyone (well...most players) and the league is better with Kaprizov in it. But him missing games could be good for the CBJ first round draft pick. The Wild don't seem in any danger of actually missing the playoffs but being the #3 seed or having to come in as a Wild Card could make their playoff road a little tougher. I think when we first traded Jiricek there was a thought the Wild could be a #1 seed and guarantee our pick was no better than 25-28. This helps secure that the pick could be 17-25.

 
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Anyone else find it odd there is no merchandise sales for the 4 nations tournament?

I just realized I can't but a Team USA jersey or anything for it right now.
 
majormajor said:
That's a lot of money for Saad to walk away from.

I'd definitely be looking into giving him a shot, unless there are any character issues there.
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Saad and Jenner were drafted 6 picks apart in the 2nd round of the 2011 draft. An interesting thought experiment is what would have happened with their careers if Jenner was drafted by Chicago and had early Cup success and Saad was drafted by the Jackets and didn’t have the early success. Would Saad have been a harder worker later in his career? Would Jenner coasted more after the early success?
 
koteka said:
Saad and Jenner were drafted 6 picks apart in the 2nd round of the 2011 draft. An interesting thought experiment is what would have happened with their careers if Jenner was drafted by Chicago and had early Cup success and Saad was drafted by the Jackets and didn’t have the early success. Would Saad have been a harder worker later in his career? Would Jenner coasted more after the early success?
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I doubt that would have been the case. Boone and his attitude/work ethic was pegged as a future captain of the team the day he was drafted. I'm not sure anyone ever thought of Saad in that way when he was drafted.

If anyone would have had an opportunity to coast it would have been Boone due to the lack of direction/winning in this team like many people have done. Some people are just wired a certain way.
 
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Iron Balls McGinty said:
I doubt that would have been the case. Boone and his attitude/work ethic was pegged as a future captain of the team the day he was drafted. I'm not sure anyone ever thought of Saad in that way when he was drafted.

If anyone would have had an opportunity to coast it would have been Boone due to the lack of direction/winning in this team like many people have done. Some people are just wired a certain way.
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Give Boone some cups and then a back injury, I don’t know. I’m not saying he would reach Saad leve of not reaching his potentiall, but he might say he had had a good career already and not battle back from injuries so hard. Meanwhile Saad might not have coasted like he did much of his career if he still had some goals (like the Cup) in front of him. I guess I question how Saad’s career would have turned out more than Boone. Give Saad the drive that Boone had and he would have had a much better career.

Interestingly, Saad had his two best seasons in Columbus and then was replaced by the much better Panarin so he doesn’t even get any love here. Meanwhile, Boone is seen as the kind of guy you would want for a deep Cup run, yet he has never had one.
 
koteka said:
Give Boone some cups and then a back injury, I don’t know. I’m not saying he would reach Saad leve of not reaching his potentiall, but he might say he had had a good career already and not battle back from injuries so hard. Meanwhile Saad might not have coasted like he did much of his career if he still had some goals (like the Cup) in front of him. I guess I question how Saad’s career would have turned out more than Boone. Give Saad the drive that Boone had and he would have had a much better career.

Interestingly, Saad had his two best seasons in Columbus and then was replaced by the much better Panarin so he doesn’t even get any love here. Meanwhile, Boone is seen as the kind of guy you would want for a deep Cup run, yet he has never had one.
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Just seems like apples and oranges because they are different types of players.

John Gibson was drafted between them. Where would his career be if he hasn't been stuck in Anaheim all these years?
 
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I know Saad was only here for, what, 2 years? 3 tops? But he was solid here. But he’s also one of the more forgettable “good” players in CBJ history.

I know him as the guy who missed a lot of breakaways and who was in the panarin deal.
 
CBJWerenski8 said:
I know Saad was only here for, what, 2 years? 3 tops? But he was solid here. But he’s also one of the more forgettable “good” players in CBJ history.

I know him as the guy who missed a lot of breakaways and who was in the panarin deal.
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I mostly know him as "not the guy I wanted from the 2013 Cup Winner" because he wasn't Nick Leddy.
 
Doggy said:
Perhaps the quietest 30 Goal scorer in CBJ history?
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I didn't even remember he scored 30 goals.

But seriously, what is the deal on this? If he does sign a league minimum deal somewhere to stay in the NHL instead of going to the AHL doesn't he have to pass through waivers?
 
Doggy said:
Perhaps the quietest 30 Goal scorer in CBJ history?
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Saad had the misfortune of playing on a team that was 5th in the league in points and somehow still finished 3rd in the metro and lost in the first round of the playoffs. In 2016-17 Atkinson, Wennberg, Saad, Foligno, and Gagner all had at least 50 points, and Werenski and Jones had 47 and 42 points. Bob won the Vezina, too.
 
Iron Balls McGinty said:
I didn't even remember he scored 30 goals.

But seriously, what is the deal on this? If he does sign a league minimum deal somewhere to stay in the NHL instead of going to the AHL doesn't he have to pass through waivers?
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He's going through waivers twice now, and won't have to later. Assuming he clears, tomorrow he'll be a free agent.

The best guess I'm seeing floating around is that he wants to sign a sweetheart deal with Bowman and trade some future salary in exchange for a shot at the cup.

Basically, it was probably passed around to the GMs that if they grabbed him, he'd quiet quit on them. Once he cleared, they announced the forthcoming termination; now no one will touch him. The Blues are now off the hook for his contract, official as of tomorrow. Sometime soon, he'll sign a contract with someone (*cough* Bowman *cough*), and they'll get a sweet deal to let him play out his twilight years at a steep discount (or perhaps for the same effective salary, but partially deferred to reduce the AAV) for a chance that his name gets on the cup.

Someone, please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
TingleBiscuit said:
He's going through waivers twice now, and won't have to later. Assuming he clears, tomorrow he'll be a free agent.

The best guess I'm seeing floating around is that he wants to sign a sweetheart deal with Bowman and trade some future salary in exchange for a shot at the cup.

Basically, it was probably passed around to the GMs that if they grabbed him, he'd quiet quit on them. Once he cleared, they announced the forthcoming termination; now no one will touch him. The Blues are now off the hook for his contract, official as of tomorrow. Sometime soon, he'll sign a contract with someone (*cough* Bowman *cough*), and they'll get a sweet deal to let him play out his twilight years at a steep discount (or perhaps for the same effective salary, but partially deferred to reduce the AAV) for a chance that his name gets on the cup.

Someone, please correct me if I'm wrong.
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I wasn't sure if the previous waivers were applicable any longer but I seem to recall previous instances of someone signing a new contract and needing to clear.

The last contract termination I recall was Corey Perry and I guess he didn't have to clear after the Oilers signed him to his new contract after the Blackhawks terminated his prior deal.
 
Iron Balls McGinty said:
I wasn't sure if the previous waivers were applicable any longer but I seem to recall previous instances of someone signing a new contract and needing to clear.

The last contract termination I recall was Corey Perry and I guess he didn't have to clear after the Oilers signed him to his new contract after the Blackhawks terminated his prior deal.
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I've got to be honest- this situation comes up so rarely that I'm uncertain I fully understand it. Something about people rarely walking away from $5m future dollars or something...I can't imagine why that'd happen infrequently ;)
 
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