OT: Around Hockey and the NHL
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Rangers currently getting shutout by the last place Predators mid way through the third.
If you asked today can things get worse? Yes, they can.
If you asked today can things get worse? Yes, they can.
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Ken Holland was able to preside over turning the core in Edmonton around, so I don't think that the Sabres need to totally start over.
I respect Lindy Ruff for his dedication to the Sabres, but I'd be thinking about a shock to the culture. Fire both the GM and all the Sabres coaches, hire an experienced GM (maybe even Holland), and let him cook. No sense of continuity or business as usual. Any old promises disappear, and now it's about cleaning up the mess. It's up to the players to decide what part they want in that.
Coach tenures are getting shorter, which makes the NHL more of a GMs league.
I respect Lindy Ruff for his dedication to the Sabres, but I'd be thinking about a shock to the culture. Fire both the GM and all the Sabres coaches, hire an experienced GM (maybe even Holland), and let him cook. No sense of continuity or business as usual. Any old promises disappear, and now it's about cleaning up the mess. It's up to the players to decide what part they want in that.
Coach tenures are getting shorter, which makes the NHL more of a GMs league.
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re: discussion on opening up NHLers with Italian heritage to play for Italy.
Having a more competitive hockey tournament is good for entertainment, but I feel that it's all window dressing to the lack of actual international investment. It's putting on a costume, not representing the country. It's the sketch that got cut from last week's SNL.
Italy or Poland could win some games, and it doesn't move the needle in the slightest. I don't think that international audiences (any audiences) are that malleable.
The USA could suddenly start winning at cricket, and it wouldn't matter. There's no real presence in the US. I wouldn't even know where someone could play organized cricket.
edit: I remember back in like the 2006-2012 era, where every international game that even slightly resulted in an unexpected outcome was getting billed as that country's 'Miracle On Ice'. Austria-Slovakia is tied through two periods in a round-robin game. Are we seeing Austria's Miracle on Ice?
Switzerland only lost by two to Canada, Swiss Miracle on Ice?
It's got to be condescending.
Having a more competitive hockey tournament is good for entertainment, but I feel that it's all window dressing to the lack of actual international investment. It's putting on a costume, not representing the country. It's the sketch that got cut from last week's SNL.
Italy or Poland could win some games, and it doesn't move the needle in the slightest. I don't think that international audiences (any audiences) are that malleable.
The USA could suddenly start winning at cricket, and it wouldn't matter. There's no real presence in the US. I wouldn't even know where someone could play organized cricket.
edit: I remember back in like the 2006-2012 era, where every international game that even slightly resulted in an unexpected outcome was getting billed as that country's 'Miracle On Ice'. Austria-Slovakia is tied through two periods in a round-robin game. Are we seeing Austria's Miracle on Ice?
Switzerland only lost by two to Canada, Swiss Miracle on Ice?
It's got to be condescending.
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An interesting conversation between Jeff Marek and Anton Thun
I think a Euro tournament is interesting, and big time soccer teams will go to other countries to help grow their brand, but we need rinks at home, too. The amount of soccer in Europe is immense, and it may actually make more sense to make the game accessible to the nearest elementary school, than to worry about Copenhagen.
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The issue I see with China is that the government is too big of a factor. It was maybe like 2016ish when movies, the NBA, etc. were all trying to get into China. Whenever John Cena spoke Mandarin. Around that time.
Every company would desperately twist and contort themselves to appease the Chinese government, but China has an entire economy at its disposal. They can just make their own movies that meet their own standards, and be even bigger hits than Hollywood imports, with all the money going to China. No 25% cut to the west. They can conscript the best entertainers in the country to make sure it happens. The NHL or NBA would more than likely just create a LIV situation.
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Any investment into building the NHL in another country also increases the likelihood of a competitor who understands their home audience better. I think we should just embrace it. The NHL wants to be the NBA, and the NBA wants to be the NFL, but the NHL might want to become the Premier League instead. Public subsidy for hockey isn't going to happen. If we won't do healthcare, hockey rinks aren't going to make the cut, so it's got to come from private investment and using capitalism to delegate growing the game.
Pro soccer in Mexico isn't threatened by the EPL or Ligue 1. They can coexist.
If each and every NHL team would send all their draft picks to TB, they can be disposed of. A player will have to be picked, of course, with each of those picks, but that will be our burden.
I think a Euro tournament is interesting, and big time soccer teams will go to other countries to help grow their brand, but we need rinks at home, too. The amount of soccer in Europe is immense, and it may actually make more sense to make the game accessible to the nearest elementary school, than to worry about Copenhagen.
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The issue I see with China is that the government is too big of a factor. It was maybe like 2016ish when movies, the NBA, etc. were all trying to get into China. Whenever John Cena spoke Mandarin. Around that time.
Every company would desperately twist and contort themselves to appease the Chinese government, but China has an entire economy at its disposal. They can just make their own movies that meet their own standards, and be even bigger hits than Hollywood imports, with all the money going to China. No 25% cut to the west. They can conscript the best entertainers in the country to make sure it happens. The NHL or NBA would more than likely just create a LIV situation.
Why Hollywood’s China Syndrome Is Both Meltdown and Opportunity
Hollywood's share of the Chinese box office has collapsed, but local authorities may now be offering a helping hand.
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Any investment into building the NHL in another country also increases the likelihood of a competitor who understands their home audience better. I think we should just embrace it. The NHL wants to be the NBA, and the NBA wants to be the NFL, but the NHL might want to become the Premier League instead. Public subsidy for hockey isn't going to happen. If we won't do healthcare, hockey rinks aren't going to make the cut, so it's got to come from private investment and using capitalism to delegate growing the game.
Pro soccer in Mexico isn't threatened by the EPL or Ligue 1. They can coexist.
If each and every NHL team would send all their draft picks to TB, they can be disposed of. A player will have to be picked, of course, with each of those picks, but that will be our burden.
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What I've been saying. Three broadcasters is usually one too many.
I think part of the issue is that they'll have two commentators in the broadcast booth, and another in between the benches. The guy between the benches is basically talking on the phone with them. He's not getting any signals for when to stop talking.
Three isn't inherently bad, and you can have your sideline type reporter break in occasionally with news on things like injuries, but they aren't recognizing that it's essentially one pbp and two color commentators.
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The idea of NHL Europe is like, how about we reshuffle the players already in Europe, in cities that already have pro teams (often multiple), but exist outside the IIHF structure they all follow?
NHL teams aren't shy about using the AHL just for player development. If they wanted market development, they wouldn't have so many in the same city as their NHL team.
Americans buy into English soccer teams. It's not MLS Europe.
NHL teams aren't shy about using the AHL just for player development. If they wanted market development, they wouldn't have so many in the same city as their NHL team.
Americans buy into English soccer teams. It's not MLS Europe.
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What if the NHL did their own white label equipment? Or I guess it'd be private label, as someone could identify certain skates or helmets as belonging to a certain brand.
There aren't that many manufacturers, but it's better to collect 70% on NHL branded equipment sold, than to collect 0, and the 70% goes to the other guy.
It'd be the Kirkland Signature or Great Value equivalent of CCM. Advertising wouldn't really be an issue, as they have the NHL social media accounts.
NHL branded equipment (let's call it Pucks n' Deep) would absolutely dominate the entry-level market, and would get brand loyalty from the beginning.
It would also allow smaller manufacturers a chance. They wouldn't need a multi-million dollar marketing plan to compete with the established names.
Equipment would be sold through shop.nhl.com, which should also lead to more all around NHL merch purchases. It would also theoretically be available at team owned local rinks, since team owners are getting a relatively small cut.
The sales data would be useful to the league. Large orders from untapped markets, etc.
Downward pressure on prices would either lead established companies to try and compete, or spending more on advertisements and player endorsements. They would also want to sell their equipment on nhl.com.
There aren't that many manufacturers, but it's better to collect 70% on NHL branded equipment sold, than to collect 0, and the 70% goes to the other guy.
It'd be the Kirkland Signature or Great Value equivalent of CCM. Advertising wouldn't really be an issue, as they have the NHL social media accounts.
NHL branded equipment (let's call it Pucks n' Deep) would absolutely dominate the entry-level market, and would get brand loyalty from the beginning.
It would also allow smaller manufacturers a chance. They wouldn't need a multi-million dollar marketing plan to compete with the established names.
Equipment would be sold through shop.nhl.com, which should also lead to more all around NHL merch purchases. It would also theoretically be available at team owned local rinks, since team owners are getting a relatively small cut.
The sales data would be useful to the league. Large orders from untapped markets, etc.
Downward pressure on prices would either lead established companies to try and compete, or spending more on advertisements and player endorsements. They would also want to sell their equipment on nhl.com.
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