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Flgatorguy87 said:
Late to the Cozens shoulda woulda coulda trade party, but I was all about making a move for him early in the year. Most around here balked at the idea of giving up ZLH for him. I said then and I say now, ZLH is a nice player, but I will be really surprised if he is ever much more than a Nick Cousins type player vs the Marchand player everyone is dreaming about. That's going to be even further emphasized on this team with this staff.
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With our development staff you're probably right. Put him down in dallas and I bet he's closer to Marchand than he is to cousins. We just don't develop forwards good at a
 
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Porter Stoutheart said:
I'm pretty sure nobody is dreaming about Marchand for ZLH! :skeptic:

I would have liked to think he'd become a little more than a Cousins, however... like maybe a 15-20/15-20 disturber, more willing to physically back up his mouthiness than Cousins too. It's fair to wonder if he'll ever become that HERE, given the way we are handling him so far, and given the track record here with young forwards in general.

My question was whether or not Cozens himself is much more than a 15-20/15-20 kind of player? He had 1 peak season above that level, but that's all; his other seasons haven't been. For $7.1M you really want to have confidence he's going to be more like that 1 peak season than like his other 4 seasons. We'll see I guess if he keeps it up in Ottawa.

To me, it's only our utter ineptness in handling our internally developed young forwards that opens the door to considering the trade. And that's a rather grim way to have to look at things. :help:
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ZLH is 4th liner. Maybe fill in on 3rd line from time to time. Expectations beyond that are dreams right now. He’s easy to love though. Don’t fall in love with 4th liners.
 
Olderfan said:
ZLH is 4th liner. Maybe fill in on 3rd line from time to time. Expectations beyond that are dreams right now. He’s easy to love though. Don’t fall in love with 4th liners.
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Problem is at the time he was looking like he may become more than a 4th liner, then Brunette got a hold of him and just like every other young guy he just went stagnant. This isn't a case of just ZLH flat lining, literally every forward we have brought up has. That's either bad drafting or bad coaching.
 
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Armourboy said:
Problem is at the time he was looking like he may become more than a 4th liner, then Brunette got a hold of him and just like every other young guy he just went stagnant. This isn't a case of just ZLH flat lining, literally every forward we have brought up has. That's either bad drafting or bad coaching.
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Agreed. Not demeaning any player. Point is this was Trotz’s direction when he coached Preds. Surround yourself with “trusted” players . That meant(means) all forwards play D first, then O. Ask yourself; does McDavid play D first? Draisaitl? MacKinnon?
Who cares? Oh, I know they’re probably good at D. But they are out there for O and plenty of it. And they can shoot the puck!
I believe that Trotz has always thought that his team can hold the opposition down, stop them, and he builds a team of players and instills that philosophy in them. “Trust’s” them.
I believe that teaching Smith how to shoot a puck may achieve more than teaching Svechkov to back check quicker.
Course, I know both are very important at this level and both should be coached diligently. But we’ve always heard forwards need to go through Milwaukee a couple of years to become “complete” players. That means D, D, D to the Preds(Trotz) philosophy. Forwards come up thinking if I’m a “trusted” player, that’s enough.
No, it’s not! You’re a forward, Score! ; make them stop you!
I got more crazy opinions but you already know that!
 
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Olderfan said:
Agreed. Not demeaning any player. Point is this was Trotz’s direction when he coached Preds. Surround yourself with “trusted” players . That meant(means) all forwards play D first, then O. Ask yourself; does McDavid play D first? Draisaitl? MacKinnon?
Who cares? Oh, I know they’re probably good at D. But they are out there for O and plenty of it. And they can shoot the puck!
I believe that Trotz has always thought that his team can hold the opposition down, stop them, and he builds a team of players and instills that philosophy in them. “Trust’s” them.
I believe that teaching Smith how to shoot a puck may achieve more than teaching Svechkov to back check quicker.
Course, I know both are very important at this level and both should be coached diligently. But we’ve always heard forwards need to go through Milwaukee a couple of years to become “complete” players. That means D, D, D to the Preds(Trotz) philosophy. Forwards come up thinking if I’m a “trusted” player, that’s enough.
No, it’s not! You’re a forward, Score! ; make them stop you!
I got more crazy opinions but you already know that!
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Unfortunately, that type of team will not win anything in today’s NHL.
 
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Sorry for being out of nowhere with this question but who Between Svechkov and Evangelista has the best potential? What are your expectation point wise for the next few years. Who would you take between the 2 if you could have one.
 
Saku1194 said:
Sorry for being out of nowhere with this question but who Between Svechkov and Evangelista has the best potential? What are your expectation point wise for the next few years. Who would you take between the 2 if you could have one.
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Get a decent coach and a GM that isn't an idiot and I think both can be 50pt players. If I wanted a guy that was a little more defensively reliable and can play center I take Svechkov, if I want to look more to the offensive side and a winger I got Evangelista.
 
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Saw some discussion over at main boards and thought that Nic Hague from Vegas could be a good - offer sheet or otherwise - target over the summer. He's an RFA coming off of 2.3 mil deal and looking for a raise. Big LHD just entering his prime.

I figure, I'd even give away one of our later 1sts for him and sign him to a long deal, for about 5-6 mil per year. Or like a 2nd + 3rd but that probably doesn't get it done.

Vegas only has 7-8 mil of cap space for next year with a 17-man roster. Hague could take up almost all of that. Plus, they have Hanifin and Theodore long-term ahead of him on the left side and I really doubt they'd want to pay their 3LD 5-6 mil.

I don't know, just throwing that out there. Being a more complex case than just signing off a guy from FA, I don't think Trotz goes for this anyways.
 
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Yeah, trading Vegas back their 1st for him would work for me. I imagine the offer sheet compensation range that cut off at $4.58M last year probably goes up to around $5M this year, given almost a 10% Cap increase? So I guess worst case Vegas knows they'd get a 2nd for him on any offer sheet in that range, and only contending teams would risk offersheeting him at a higher compensation level involving given up a 1st, which would be a late 1st therefore. So those are the guidelines for the minimum threshold in offering a trade.

Vegas always finds a way to get/keep who they want, however. So I don't know which side of the line they'll be thinking on Hague, as you say probably not likely inclined towards paying a #3LD that much, but rather replacing him more affordably on the UFA market should make the most sense to them. But I wouldn't count them out of finding some annoying way out of any Cap jam we ever imagine them to be in.

I would just say, hey Vegas, we've got the same player in Jeremy Lauzon at just $2M, NHL hits former champion, let's just swap them and you fill that spot cheaper, win-win. :naughty:
 
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Porter Stoutheart said:
I would just say, hey Vegas, we've got the same player in Jeremy Lauzon at just $2M, NHL hits former champion, let's just swap them and you fill that spot cheaper, win-win. :naughty:
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Don't dream too big there my friend, Lauzon is a big sandpaper guy like Bunting and McCarron. With Trotz that probably means close to untouchable.
 
Bringer of Jollity said:
Would never...trade a late 1st for him? I could see him doing that. Would Vegas?

Offer sheet that requires a 1st as compensation? He'd solidify himself as being a f***ing moron if he did that.
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Nobody is talking about us giving an offer sheet with a 1st as compensation. That's an obvious non-starter.

We're expecting the salary ceiling for an offer sheet with just a 2nd round pick as compensation to be around $5M, however. Which is the type of offer sheet we're talking about here. Trotz would be dumb if he didn't at least consider that.
 
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