Armchair GM Thread

The deal was roughly ZLH/svechkov, Novak and a 3rd round pick for Cozens. I have this on very good authority and have similarly heard they didn't want to include Novak at the time.

Which I maintain was probably a good deal for us.
It's entirely believable that Barry's like/dislike opinion turns like a weathervane and just as quickly. From the outside, it does not appear that he and his coach are on the same page. Barry re-signs guys only to see his coach decide they can't play his system of hockey. So Barry takes out his frustration by getting rid of the player at all costs because he wants to establish a culture where the head coach is the king.
 
The deal was roughly ZLH/svechkov, Novak and a 3rd round pick for Cozens. I have this on very good authority and have similarly heard they didn't want to include Novak at the time.

Which I maintain was probably a good deal for us.
That’s the exact same thing I was told as well. I’d have given up ZLH, Novak and a 3rd for Cozens without batting an eye.
 
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The deal was roughly ZLH/svechkov, Novak and a 3rd round pick for Cozens. I have this on very good authority and have similarly heard they didn't want to include Novak at the time.

Which I maintain was probably a good deal for us.
Given that we will tank both ZLH’s and Svechkov’s value eventually and end up waiving them, I think that would’ve been a good deal for us.
 
The deal was roughly ZLH/svechkov, Novak and a 3rd round pick for Cozens. I have this on very good authority and have similarly heard they didn't want to include Novak at the time.

Which I maintain was probably a good deal for us.
Right, so that is TOTALLY different than Novak as the centerpiece. Novak is just a partial cap-balancing throw-in in that scenario. We talked about this at the time, and most of us were against the idea of trading ZLH or Svechkov as the centerpiece in a deal for Cozens. Because it's those guys who were the centerpiece, not Novak.

Trotz has told us how when he doesn't like a guy, he doesn't ever and won't ever like him. Novak's utilization all year lines up with that. He was 0-fer-November and had 5 or 6 points at the time this trade was being talked about, there is no way either side saw him as the centerpiece, even if some random Preds office employee might have thought otherwise because they recognized his name more.

The irony of course is that we'll probably fail to develop ZLH and Svechkov and drive them into the ground the way we have with all those who came before them. It shouldn't be that way. But within that context, trading one for Cozens probably would have worked out, because then the front office would view Cozens and his big contract as a white knight savior and actually use him in a key role where he couldn't help putting up decent numbers. So in that sense, yes, the deal would have been good for us. I still don't believe Buffalo would have been interested and would have been the side to back out, not us. Go ask their fans again what they think about it. The Norris deal is what they all wanted, right from Day 1.
 
Since this is a lost season anyway, I would love to see a line of Svetch at center Vange, and ZLH on the wings play together for the rest of the season. Could possibly develop as a formidable line for next season.
Those 3 guys should be getting 18+ minutes a game as well. In a lost season why are our young players still not getting the minutes. Someone needs to call trotz out in our media for this. He said our young will get more opportunity going forward but still only gives ZLH 10 minutes and Evangelista 13. How is that opportunity? Trotz has no idea how to run a franchise and he feeds our media bs and they eat it up without doing any kind of research. I'd even have Molendyk and gibson up as soon as their season is over. The fact we're running the same shitty lines and giving them the minutes they were getting is insane. All of young players need to be up and getting real opportunity. If they did that I'd actually be excited about watching the games again
 
Those 3 guys should be getting 18+ minutes a game as well. In a lost season why are our young players still not getting the minutes. Someone needs to call trotz out in our media for this. He said our young will get more opportunity going forward but still only gives ZLH 10 minutes and Evangelista 13. How is that opportunity? Trotz has no idea how to run a franchise and he feeds our media bs and they eat it up without doing any kind of research. I'd even have Molendyk and gibson up as soon as their season is over. The fact we're running the same shitty lines and giving them the minutes they were getting is insane. All of young players need to be up and getting real opportunity.
Molendyk and Gibson's seasons will probably last longer than Nashville's. :sarcasm:

I think young D and young F are a little bit different in terms of how eager we should be to plug them in early, however. We have Stastney and other guys from Milwaukee we can play on D who are worth giving a look to ahead of junior guys.

A forward line of ZLH-Svech-Vange is just going to be too easy for Bruno to bench. I would like to seem them all get higher minutes, but I think the best way to do that is to spread them out playing with the big gun veterans.
 
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Molendyk and Gibson's seasons will probably last longer than Nashville's. :sarcasm:

I think young D and young F are a little bit different in terms of how eager we should be to plug them in early, however. We have Stastney and other guys from Milwaukee we can play on D who are worth giving a look to ahead of junior guys.

A forward line of ZLH-Svech-Vange is just going to be too easy for Bruno to bench. I would like to seem them all get higher minutes, but I think the best way to do that is to spread them out playing with the big gun veterans.
I don't care how they are gettting the minutes as long as they are getting the minutes. As far as bringing up milwaukee guys over Molendyk and gibson I'm good with that as well but it has to be young guys which if you look at milwaukee we really don't have many of. It wouldn't hurt giving Molendyk and gibson games here for us fans to at least have a reason to watch. We're just as old in milwaukee as we are here. Which actually makes the situation were in worse. Regardless this team should have a different look going forward the rest of the season not the same old trash trash ass lines and players that have us 3rd worst in the league
 
The fact that trotz made that deal buying bunting instead of truly selling is absolutely terrible
I think the most annoying thing to me is that we are now back to a top 6 of nothing but vets and pushing all the kids onto an easily benchable line. Sissons back into the top 6 even though it hasn't really worked all season. Coaching decisions are insufferable and entirely predictable.
 
I don't care how they are gettting the minutes as long as they are getting the minutes. As far as bringing up milwaukee guys over Molendyk and gibson I'm good with that as well but it has to be young guys which if you look at milwaukee we really don't have many of. It wouldn't hurt giving Molendyk and gibson games here for us fans to at least have a reason to watch. We're just as old in milwaukee as we are here. Which actually makes the situation were in worse. Regardless this team should have a different look going forward the rest of the season not the same old trash trash ass lines and players that have us 3rd worst in the league
Maybe we have already made decisions on Del Gaizo and Livingstone, but they seem to at least be borderline close, and as I understand it are set to become Group VI UFAs this summer. Or Ufko has picked things up after a slow start offensively, so I would say anyway these 3 (plus of course Stastney) would be ahead of junior players on D.

But anyway, barring playoff upsets, hopefully both Molendyk and Gibson will go deep in their respective league playoffs, so it will become a moot point when our season ends on April 16.
 
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Maybe we have already made decisions on Del Gaizo and Livingstone, but they seem to at least be borderline close, and as I understand it are set to become Group VI UFAs this summer. Or Ufko has picked things up after a slow start offensively, so I would say anyway these 3 (plus of course Stastney) would be ahead of junior players on D.

But anyway, barring playoff upsets, hopefully both Molendyk and Gibson will go deep in their respective league playoffs, so it will become a moot point when our season ends on April 16.
In no world are any of these guys ahead of Molendyk and Gibson. They've been with the organization for quite some time but none of them have the potential to be first pairing guys. MDG has no business being in the league. Livingstone is what, 25 now and hasn't been able to break thru since signing with us out of college? Ufko could be a guy but certainly not top pairing. I like Stastney as he's got great wheels and is solid defensively but there hasn't been any offense to his game. None of these guys have been picked for tournaments on the world stage. The other two have and I expect to see them sooner than later.

Then again, we have an idiot GM and coach so who knows what's going to happen.
 
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Trotz loves Bruno and is bringing him back.

GMBT has NOT shown he knows how to make a trade for a player that is to help the team and Org . He makes trades for players he likes. Not the same thing! This is GMBT team that he has chosen to ice. This is his record and his coach. Unless the Owners do something this will not go well for several years or more. BT is a good man. GMBT was not a good choice! Cut the cord and move on!
 
In no world are any of these guys ahead of Molendyk and Gibson. They've been with the organization for quite some time but none of them have the potential to be first pairing guys. MDG has no business being in the league. Livingstone is what, 25 now and hasn't been able to break thru since signing with us out of college? Ufko could be a guy but certainly not top pairing. I like Stastney as he's got great wheels and is solid defensively but there hasn't been any offense to his game. None of these guys have been picked for tournaments on the world stage. The other two have and I expect to see them sooner than later.

Then again, we have an idiot GM and coach so who knows what's going to happen.
Being "ahead of" just means they are more physically developed and able to play NHL minutes right now today. It is of course no indication whatsoever of ultimate upside.

I wouldn't count on seeing 20-year old defensemen any time soon in Nashville.
 
Being "ahead of" just means they are more physically developed and able to play NHL minutes right now today. It is of course no indication whatsoever of ultimate upside.

I wouldn't count on seeing 20-year old defensemen any time soon in Nashville.
And that is why this organization will continue to flounder in mediocrity. If an organization is not willing to ice their most talented players because of their age that’s a problem.
 
And that is why this organization will continue to flounder in mediocrity. If an organization is not willing to ice their most talented players because of their age that’s a problem.
To be fair, nowhere in the NHL is it common for defensemen to step straight out of juniors and into the NHL. Even Weber and Josi started off in the AHL. Maybe Molendyk is an exception, but I doubt very much that Gibson is.

Anyway, the main thing is you can't make a "policy" out of whether something is or isn't common historically. The bottom line is that you need to base it purely on an individual-by-individual basis, and not fall back on an preconceived notions, you have to take a purely meritocratic approach. Which we clearly have not been doing in Nashville for a while. Certainly we've seen that with the carousel and sidelinings of our young forwards. But I think there is ample room to challenge how we've handled the D also, when guys like Lauzon and Schenn have been valued so highly while Fabbro was cast aside. I'm not sure that hits quite at the level of players coming straight out of junior yet, so we'll see what happens with Molendyk. I'm not going to hold my breath on him jumping straight onto the team, however. We do know that the organization seems to like him more than they have liked other guys. So he has that much going for him. Probably nobody outside of the Nashville fanbase would ever guess he'd be a candidate to jump straight to the NHL, however, he doesn't have that high a profile outside of our internal hype here. :dunno:
 
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I fully expect Gibson and Molendyk to be in the AHL to start next season.

Given who we have signed now, I expect something along the lines of

Wilsby Josi
Skjei Blankenburg
Lauzon Barron
Stastney
I imagine Trotz is going to sign at least 1 UFA on D, probably RD. Probably some old slow stay-at-home "character" guy. (Hence my previous nomination of David Savard). So I suspect we'll see:

Josi - OldGuy
Skjei - Blankenburg
Lauzon - Barron
with Wilsby and Stastney (criminally) alternating in the pressbox. :help:

Then in Milwaukee, that leaves:

Gravel - Ufko
Molendyk - Gibson
Oesterle - x
Hanzel/Matier

I would assume they don't bother qualifying Luke Prokop. I don't know if they'll bring back Del Gaizo or Livingstone or anybody else on AHL contracts. We also have Nathan Dylan MacKinnon graduating from junior on D. I don't know if they'd try to bring over Kulonummi or any other European picks. But anyway, it does seem like our whole organization depth chart on D is fairly predictable atm.
 
Holloway reminded me of how we should have a group in our braintrust really going over any possibilities for RFA poaching. Unfortunately, I'm not sure there are great candidates out there. Mavrik Bourque on Dallas might be one. I don't think we can reasonably chase Matthew Knies, Dylan Samberg, Luke Hughes, Marco Rossi, JJ Peterka, Gabriel Vilardi, or any other top RFAs? Can anybody see an angle here? The rising Cap really makes it difficult to find a team that is going to be in enough Cap hardship that they won't be able to match offers?

It's an avenue that I wish we could profiteer from, but I haven't spotted any good opportunities? Bourque is one, but is there really anybody else? :dunno:
 
Unless you just massively overpay for a guy you probably won't see any offersheet stuff for a couple of years. Cap is going to go up too much which will lead to teams having more headroom. Yeah GM's are dumb and will go straight to the new cap every year, but its also going to go up a little every year which will probably make it more difficult.
 
Yeah, the Blues did it at the perfect time. Also, everyone will be cautious this upcoming summer so even though there might be some offer sheets I doubt there'll be similar heists the Blues pulled off.
 
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