Speculation: Armchair GM Thread

[Scoresberg]

Yeah, I mean this is not a great trade by any means but I don't get the overwhelming hate for it either.

Novak at 3.5 was never going to fetch you anything significant. Schenn's obviously a cap dump at this point or at maximum has value of a 4th or a 5th rounder.

I like Bunting as a player and while I think skating-wise we're again going into the wrong direction, I think he can be a more useful piece for us than Novak. Novak showed last year in the playoffs how soft he truly is. Bunting is tougher to play against and more physical, too.

I don't love the fact, however, that Bunting's already injured when we get him. Hopefully, it's something he can come back from 100%.

The thing - again - with this trade is the complete disaster of a player development. And I believe that's the reason most people are hating on this trade. Novak was almost a PPG when he first came in but has dropped off every year since - resulting him being near a cap dump in value. Whereas with a proper player development scheme, a 50-60 point low-end 2C would've been a realistic scenario for him.

 

[predhead1]

Beginning to think Trotz would trade a 3rd for me.

Are you a serial winner that's tough to play against? If so, WELCOME ABOARD!!!!!!

 

[101st_fan]

Yeah, I mean this is not a great trade by any means but I don't get the overwhelming hate for it either.

Novak at 3.5 was never going to fetch you anything significant. Schenn's obviously a cap dump at this point or at maximum has value of a 4th or a 5th rounder.

I like Bunting as a player and while I think skating-wise we're again going into the wrong direction, I think he can be a more useful piece for us than Novak. Novak showed last year in the playoffs how soft he truly is. Bunting is tougher to play against and more physical, too.

I don't love the fact, however, that Bunting's already injured when we get him. Hopefully, it's something he can come back from 100%.

The thing - again - with this trade is the complete disaster of a player development. And I believe that's the reason most people are hating on this trade. Novak was almost a PPG when he first came in but has dropped off every year since - resulting him being near a cap dump in value. Whereas with a proper player development scheme, a 50-60 point low-end 2C would've been a realistic scenario for him.

Appendix surgery

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

Yeah, I mean this is not a great trade by any means but I don't get the overwhelming hate for it either.

Novak at 3.5 was never going to fetch you anything significant. Schenn's obviously a cap dump at this point or at maximum has value of a 4th or a 5th rounder.

I like Bunting as a player and while I think skating-wise we're again going into the wrong direction, I think he can be a more useful piece for us than Novak. Novak showed last year in the playoffs how soft he truly is. Bunting is tougher to play against and more physical, too.

I don't love the fact, however, that Bunting's already injured when we get him. Hopefully, it's something he can come back from 100%.

The thing - again - with this trade is the complete disaster of a player development. And I believe that's the reason most people are hating on this trade. Novak was almost a PPG when he first came in but has dropped off every year since - resulting him being near a cap dump in value. Whereas with a proper player development scheme, a 50-60 point low-end 2C would've been a realistic scenario for him.

Completely agree. Add that we got a 4th for Schenn which I think we were mostly hoping for.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

One reason may be playing style. Bunting is more of a net crasher which we currently have none of.

Overall, I do agree that Barry's lack of initial planning (Bruno, Carrier contract, not trading Novak last year....) is crushing this team. I guess after the Fabbro fail and keeping this idiot coach around, I'm saying that this trade shouldn't be the focus of our anger as it really wasn't that bad at all. It's the other fumbles.....

I think this trade is actually a good focusing point for our ire. Just because of what it says about Trotz's thinking. He's making a move that:

a) supports his coach's player/style preference - and we know the coach is brutal
b) brings in another 30-year old player whose purpose is to help the team NEXT SEASON - presumably to contribute to whatever fantasy turnaround he is prioritizing.

I don't think it's a trade where you just say, eh, Bunting is just a different style from Novak and Schenn sucked, so therefore the trade is fine. It's what the trade says about Trotz's bigger picture thinking/planning. It's indicative that he's not recognizing the hole he has dug for the franchise, the problem he has behind the bench.

 

[herzausstein]

One reason may be playing style. Bunting is more of a net crasher which we currently have none of.

Overall, I do agree that Barry's lack of initial planning (Bruno, Carrier contract, not trading Novak last year....) is crushing this team. I guess after the Fabbro fail and keeping this idiot coach around, I'm saying that this trade shouldn't be the focus of our anger as it really wasn't that bad at all. It's the other fumbles.....

Alot of Buntings production this year has been off the powerplay. 9G 6A 15P on the powerplay and 5G 9A 14P at 5v5.

Novak has 12G 5A 17P at 5v5 and 1G 4A 5P on the PP.

Bunting got to play with Malkin, Rakell, Rust, Glass, etc. Novak got to play with Evangelista, Jankowski, and occasionally Stamkos, Forsberg.

Cap management wise is fairly neutral. We shift 2 contracts and technically gain a little capspace but backfilling for Schenn eats up most of it. Gain 1.75 million prior to backfilling for schenn so maybe a net gain of 750K or so.

 

[herzausstein]

I think this trade is actually a good focusing point for our ire. Just because of what it says about Trotz's thinking. He's making a move that:

a) supports his coach's player/style preference - and we know the coach is brutal
b) brings in another 30-year old player whose purpose is to help the team NEXT SEASON - presumably to contribute to whatever fantasy turnaround he is prioritizing.

I don't think it's a trade where you just say, eh, Bunting is just a different style from Novak and Schenn sucked, so therefore the trade is fine. It's what the trade says about Trotz's bigger picture thinking/planning. It's indicative that he's not recognizing the hole he has dug for the franchise, the problem he has behind the bench.

Agreed. If this is the end destination of this trade sequence, it says to me our GM is delusional about the current circumstances of this team.

Still time to figure things out and change directions but we really dont have the parts to be competitive next season. 5 of the top 6 all over 30: Forsberg, Stamkos, Marchessault, Bunting, RoR with 3 being over 35 next year.

Josi coming off another injury. Josi and Skjei being the only high end dmen. 2nd pairing Blankenburg. The return of Lauzon. The rest being a mess of unproven talent of varying ability.

Saros being subpar in 2 consecutive seasons.

Just nothing to get my hopes up after this season. No real reason to expect next season to be better if we keep the same crew and coach.

Hopefully, this is step 1 of a long chain

 

[GeauxPreds1]

I think this trade is actually a good focusing point for our ire. Just because of what it says about Trotz's thinking. He's making a move that:

a) supports his coach's player/style preference - and we know the coach is brutal
b) brings in another 30-year old player whose purpose is to help the team NEXT SEASON - presumably to contribute to whatever fantasy turnaround he is prioritizing.

I don't think it's a trade where you just say, eh, Bunting is just a different style from Novak and Schenn sucked, so therefore the trade is fine. It's what the trade says about Trotz's bigger picture thinking/planning. It's indicative that he's not recognizing the hole he has dug for the franchise, the problem he has behind the bench.

This right here. I know gms lie but I don't believe anything that come out of trotz's mouth anymore. He says one thing and does another. He has no plan. This team is bad and this trade only proves that he's still trying to rearrange seats on a sinking ship. If he doesn't sell orielly then I'd put money down that he's gonna bring in another overpriced 30 plus year old to try to get back to the mushy middle.

 

[Predsanddead24]

Our roster might have been the best team in the league 3-4 years ago so at least we’ve got that going for us.

 

[predhead1]

Our roster might have been the best team in the league 3-4 years ago so at least we’ve got that going for us.

HANG THE BANNER!